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    This hasn't made major news yet (probably because T.V. in South Bend, IN is ruled by Notre Dame bible thumpers), but last friday a South Bend, IN clubowner was sentenced to 10 years in the slammer on a conviction of "promoting prostitution". It seems that the limo rides his club has been selling for years (customer and dancer in the back seat of a limo with blacked out windows go for a 30 minute drive for $300 plus dancer tip) has finally drawn the wrath of city hall and local cops. Of course a recent major grant from Notre Dame to the city was just coincidental !

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    Well good! It would be nice if more clubowners like this were sent to the slammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=9880;start=msg118742#msg1187 42 date=1086565043
    Well good! It would be nice if more clubowners like this were sent to the slammer.
    Well thats a little harsh untill all the facts are out. To me it seems like nothing more than a mobile champaigne court, and sounds like an ok idea to me.
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    Yeah right. If they're selling limo rides you can damn well bet there's more going on than a lapdance. IMO any clubowner who overlooks or promotes illegal activities SHOULD be jailed. These assholes have done their dirty business relatively inconsequentially for FAR too long.

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    I can see where your coming from...BUT....in these times where it seems when this biz is slowing down in general sometimes you have to try out new things. I just wont rush to judgement on it until I know more is all.
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    if he was encourageing girls to do more then dance then he should get jail time. if however it was just a mobile vip it seems fine. $300 plus tip does sound a bit high for 1/2 hour though, but i dont know the going rates there...

    I used to work somewhere that had a limo. It was the normal price plus $50 an hour. so for about $150 a guy could get a girl in a bikini (more for topless or nude) and a limo for an hour. I never got picked for a limo show, mostly it was for regulars who wanted to go shopping, or the occasinal bachlor party. doing anything that could get our boss in trouble was highly discouraged. I even heard a story about a girl who kept taking her purse into shows and was told to leave it one day, then they found it full of nothing but condoms and she was fired.

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    If I remember correctly - I never did limo rides myself - the clubowner wouldn't let me for some reason (and now we know the reason) - of the customer's $300 the club kept $100 and the dancer got $200 plus additional tips. Yes I agree in principle that this shit should be stopped. However, the flip side is that 20 dancers are now permanently out of a job, and another 100 dancers working at other South Bend clubs (which also offered limo rides and will surely stop them) will now have their earnings potential cut from $600+ a night to $150 if they're lucky. Either that or outright extras will now move inside the clubs causing "clean" girls to earn even less than $150 a night - plus creating a risk that "clean" and "dirty" girls alike will be equally likely to be busted in a coming second wave of inside the club enforcement !

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    Phillydj you can't POSSIBLY think there is anything other than prostitution going on in these limo rides.....? I know of other clubs that do this. It is common knowledge they are NOT just mobile vip rooms. How naive...

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    I'm also thinking that there was something more than just dancing going on in the back of the limo...and the club owner probably suspected it and just didn't care.
    And another thing, if guys were able to come into this club and easily take the girls out for a "ride" it was probably already hurting the money of the girls who weren't willing to go for a "ride". But Melonie is right, this could lead to worse things...clubs could begin putting up private rooms with "hosts" to be able to offer the same action to customers, and still get their $100 out of every $300 spent on "extras".
    I've also worked in a club or two that offered this kind of limo ride to customers...and it always seemed as though the SAME girls were always going on these rides....Hmmmmm...lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany link=board=1;threadid=9880;start=msg119279#msg1192 79 date=1086657614
    I'm also thinking that there was something more than just dancing going on in the back of the limo...and the club owner probably suspected it and just didn't care.
    Actually I'm thinking the limo ride was the clubowner's way of encouraging prostitution (I'm quite sure he had more than just a suspicion), while keeping it out of his club and theoretically, "out of his hands". Lots of clubowners take this type of approach. I am glad to see one getting his ass shackled for it.

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    Actually I'm thinking the limo ride was the clubowner's way of encouraging prostitution (I'm quite sure he had more than just a suspicion), while keeping it out of his club and theoretically, "out of his hands". Lots of clubowners take this type of approach
    Oh, he knew what was going on all right. This is probably the real reason that he wouldn't allow me to do limo rides when I featured there - not to make sure that I was available to inside the club customers 100% of the time, but to keep me from finding out more than he wanted me to know about the limo service.

    You're also probably correct about the "plausible deniability" legal aspect ... "honest, officer, I had absolutely no idea what was going on in the back of those limos!". Whatever happened which resulted in the clubowner's bust and conviction must have somehow directly tied him to making money from girls doing 'extras'. Kickbacks maybe ? Or more likely a couple of dancers were busted on drug charges outside of the club (heavy drugs in South Bend) and turned state's evidence to cut some time off of their own sentences.

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    Default Re:Clubowner headed for Hard Time in Indiana

    Totally serves this club owner right as this kind of thing should not be instigated for the various clubs.

    Besides... cab faire is alot cheaper (about $40 + tip from most 'city stripclub doors across the Golden Gate and back) and Achmaad the cabby could use a little excitement on an otherwise boring shift.

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    Here's a news story I was able to find about it

    http://www.wndu.com/news/062004/news_35544.php

    And another, this one with a picture of the clubowner/pimp

    http://www.southbendtribune.com/stor...entered_in.sto

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=1;threadid=9880;start=msg119461#msg1194 61 date=1086692018
    Whatever happened which resulted in the clubowner's bust and conviction must have somehow directly tied him to making money from girls doing 'extras'. Kickbacks maybe ? Or more likely a couple of dancers were busted on drug charges outside of the club (heavy drugs in South Bend) and turned state's evidence to cut some time off of their own sentences.
    Right, to get the conviction...or even to convince the DA it was worth bringing him to trial, there must have been some evidence that tied him directly to the acts of prostitution. A typical Vice ploy would be to use an undercover cop to bust one or more of the dancer-prostitutes and then give them some attractive plea bargain deal to testify against the owner.

    However, in any case, before applauding this turn of events too enthusiastically, it might be well to keep in mind that those elements of LE and political power behind the prosecution would probably be delighted to find a way to close down completely clean and legit strip clubs too...to get rid of "adult entertainment" entirely to the extent legally possible. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend.

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    Greed , Greed and more Greed.
    Too bad hes going to jail, he coulda used all that money he made while pimping to buy that Turkey Ranch in Vegas.

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    However, in any case, before applauding this turn of events too enthusiastically, it might be well to keep in mind that those elements of LE and political power behind the prosecution would probably be delighted to find a way to close down completely clean and legit strip clubs too...to get rid of "adult entertainment" entirely to the extent legally possible. The enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend
    Wwanderer, this is EXACTLY what the bible thumping "citizen's group" (undoubtedly connected to Notre Dame U) is trying to do to all of the clubs in South Bend.

    The credit card angle the prosecution is apparently using also will set a dangerous precedent if this matter goes before a judge in the Liquor License revocation proceeding. If it becomes part of legal record, the credit card angle could potentially put all clubowners at risk of similar charges if dancers in their clubs are busted by undercover cops for doing 'extras' and customers/undercover cops are paying for private dances/champagne room trips using a credit card.

    I suspect that the owner knew this (he has a very good attorney, and appealed South Bend's original anti-dance club ordinance all the way to the US Supreme Court a few years back) and chose to plead guilty and avoid a trial to avoid setting a legal precedent which would potentially hurt other clubowners. Unfortunately, the Liquor License proceeding will wind up bringing the same matter before a different court, probably setting the same legal precedent anyhow.

    I actually suspect that this clubowner has already cut some sort of a reasonable back room deal with the local DA - I'll bet you that he actually winds up serving maybe one year in exchange for the guilty plea, and gets to retire a rich man at age 62 given all of the money he has earned from collecting those $100 limo ride commissions for all of these years !

    This could have other fallout also, providing yet one more reason for credit card companies to start labelling strip clubs as high risk "adult businesses" and thinking twice about renewing merchant accounts (see Scores bogus AmEx charges thread)

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    Wow..me Naive...LOL....naw, just dont believe in jumping to conclusions is all. And now that I KNOW the story, he can go bye-bye and trade smokes in prison so Bruno dont pay him a night time visit. BUt you know, innocent till guilty and stuff, Ive seen girls get in shit before over stuff they were "alegedly" doing but werny so........
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