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    OK. I HAVE A QUESTION!!!

    why do guys continuely ask for extras in a club that it is illegal to provide extras?

    who in the club is doing them?? I have never seen anything, BUT SOMEONE has to be doing them, right?

    i just dont understand!!

    ITS SO RUDE for a guy to say "so what do you do in the vip room?"


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    Quote Originally Posted by tampafldancer link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg120812#msg120 812 date=1086943483
    i just dont understand!!

    ITS SO RUDE for a guy to say "so what do you do in the vip room?"
    Huh? Are they asking for extras, or just asking what's up with a VIP? I have no idea what the difference is between a VIP dance and a regular dance at my club. I'm not going to spend first and find out later, and since it's rude to ask, I guess I'll just never get one.
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    omg, why is it so huge?!! lol lol

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    I think she's trying to say it's rude when guys ask what kind of sexual activity will they get in the room.


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    Default Re:what do you do in the vip room??? rant

    In addition to the reasons others mention above, it may sometimes be just because there is such a huge price difference; it is somewhat natural to wonder whether you get something different if you pay 10 or 20 times more. Imagine that you were checking into a hotel that had rooms for $109 and $129 per night , with some small difference in size or furnishings. But it also had some special type of room for, say, $1200 per night. Wouldn't you ask what "extra" you would get with a $1200 room that would make it worthwhile before committing to spending your money on one?

    But probably the most fundamental reason guys ask the question is to find out what answer it will get. Trust me, that sort of question gets all sorts of different answers from different dancers.

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    I can see why they ask too.

    What I find rude is how they laugh when they find out....as if the price is understandable if you're going to give them a BJ, but absolutely unacceptable for what you're offering....which, in my opinon, is a lot.

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    Maybe I'm just being naive, but I think the majority of guys probably are not expecting "extras"... at least not in the sense that I see them talked about on these forums.

    I admit I've asked what a VIP is, and it wasn't becase I expected a BJ or something... it was my first time in a SC and I just wanted to know what it was. I dont want to be spending hundreds of dollars without any idea what I am buying. I had no idea what to expect until I asked.

    Unless they are being pretty overt about asking for extras, I wouldn't assume they are asking anything more than an innocent question. If you assume the worst (and the customer can sense that), then you could end up losing some good opportunities.

    As with anthing else, I guess its hard to stay positive all the time, so I can also see why it would be frustrating for the dancers to constantly wonder what a guy might really be asking.

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    You really think about it, it is kind of a legitimate question.

    If I'm in a brightly lit club with low mileage $10 floor dances, there is still plenty of road up the mileage scale for the VIP dances without the expectation of extras.

    BUT...if I'm in a dark club with decent mileage floor dances for $20 (like the ones in Las Vegas), and a gal is "upselling" me the wonders of the VIP room, wouldn't I have to logically assume that something fantastic is going to happen in there, considering the dances cost at least 50% more than they do on the main floor, not to mention that often the customer must make a payment to the club (flat fee, drink minimum, champagne bottle) to gain access to the room?

    By what other selling point could you convince that customer to go? Otherwise it sounds like the dancer is asking them to pay more money for the same service, (and thats if I'm dealing with an honest practitioner). I mean, think about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg120867#msg120 867 date=1086954714

    Not necessarily. To paraphrase one of Melonie's favorite points, he just needs to have grown up watching TV and Hollywood films to know there's absolutely no difference between a strip club and a whorehouse.

    Some posters here and on SCL claim that some extras go on everywhere. I don't have any evidence of that, but even if it's so I doubt all the clowns who ask you are basing it on past experience (that one extras girl would never come out of the VIP and probably throw her jaw out of joint), they're just following the stereotype. Or maybe they know the stereotype isn't true and they're just being pigs.
    PanDah 's comments are dead on

    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg120927#msg120 927 date=1086971678
    By what other selling point could you convince a customer to go? Otherwise it sounds like the dancer is asking them to pay more money for the same service, (and thats if I'm dealing with an honest practitioner). I mean, think about it.
    Some customers out there like VIP for other reasons than just mileage.

    Some like it because it is more quiet ( music not blaring in your ears) ; no hustle from other dancers; faster waitress service ; more comfortable seating- discount on an dances-- for example if an hour's VIP is $300 and dances are $20 on the floor- that's $100 saved for an hours worth of dances.

    For the guy who wants lots of dances in a row VIP is a better deal. For guys who don't like super loud music it's more comfortable in VIP. For guys who don't want to be hasseled every few minutes it's more comfortable in VIP.

    There are plenty of reasons to go to VIP other than mileage. I know Raincoaters despise this but not everyone likes the same thing as they--- do sloppy seconds aka extras






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    Quote Originally Posted by linuxfreakus link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg120919#msg120 919 date=1086969865
    Maybe I'm just being naive, but I think the majority of guys probably are not expecting "extras"... at least not in the sense that I see them talked about on these forums.
    Yea, same as the freakus. Maybe you have a better sense of what they mean when they asked, but if I ever asked it was because I honestly didn't know what goes on in the VIP room (or why it costs so much). I wouldn't have been asking for "extras" as some of the guys in here use the term. But as freakus said, maybe we are just being naive. I'd assume most guys assume there is some light touching, maybe some extra touching in the VIP room, but nothing too serious.

    Also I think a lot of guys are like me and wouldn't even want the 'extreme' extras ... it crosses a line for me that is too freaky (and not a turn on ... wow, I'm the 37th guy that has been there today - no thanks).


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg120952#msg120 952 date=1086978513
    Some customers out there like VIP for other reasons than just mileage.

    Some like it because it is more quiet ( music not blaring in your ears) ; no hustle from other dancers; faster waitress service ; more comfortable seating- discount on an dances-- for example if an hour's VIP is $300 and dances are $20 on the floor- that's $100 saved for an hours worth of dances.
    Discount? That's just for the dances. You negated to mention the $50-100 admission price, (or substitute $10-20 drinks or $500 bottle of Dom where applicable that the customer probably doesn't want).

    You also failed to mention how some dancers try their darndest to negate that discount by giving half effort dances, if dancing at all. Call me crazy, but if someone purchases a one hour block of time, that should be for 60 minutes worth of dances, not 42 minutes of dances and 18 minutes worth of sitting and chatting (unless of course the customer specifically requests to sit and chat).

    Most dancers I have seen do not have the energy to dance full effort for 60 minutes straight. While I wouldn't mind my gal taking a breather or two during our session, I wouldn't want to be charged for that down time, at least not at full VIP rate.

    For the guy who wants lots of dances in a row VIP is a better deal.
    The catch of course is he has to buy them from the same girl, and more often than not he is required to pre pay. If he is dissatisfied with matters after 22 minutes, he doesn't get a pro-rata refund on the remaining 38. For a regular who has a long and trusting business relationship with a dancer that is probably the way to go, but it doesn't do much to make the more casual customer bite.

    For guys who don't like super loud music it's more comfortable in VIP. For guys who don't want to be hasseled every few minutes it's more comfortable in VIP.
    Is that why the music is so loud? "Hmm, we thank you for patronage, but if you don't buy the premium package, we're going to make your time here more tedious than fun". Interesting business strategy. My response: Where's the door?

    There are plenty of reasons to go to VIP other than mileage. I know Raincoaters despise this but not everyone likes the same thing as they--- do sloppy seconds aka extras
    Oh, its not just the raincoater crowd. Its pretty much any guy who understands the concept that if you pay more, you should get more (and yes, since I am not a raincoater, I completely understand that "more" means different things to different people).

    I would be more than happy to use the VIP room at a club where:

    - I can pay a reasonable flat fee to enter, (as in no more than triple the standard door cover or $40 whichever is lower) that is good for the whole night so I have incentive to use my VIP access as much as possible.

    - I can order drinks when I want them, for the same price as they are on the main floor.

    - I have the option of paying by the song. Yes, it might cost more per minute, but at least then I can take different dancers in there, and should I run into a particular gal who just isn't doing it for me, I can cut my losses, much like a guy getting dances on the main floor can.

    Give me those conditions and the right lady and I won't mind paying the VIP dance price. And no, I will not expect to receive a sex act of any sort for my generosity.
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    Not all clubs require a room fee. Some do, some don't.

    Not all clubs require customers to buy a bottle to be in the VIP either.

    A customer can always request the full time be spent dancing -- though most don't for various reasons such as those you mentioned.

    You made a blanket statement "what other selling point could you use to convince that customer should go to VIP?"
    Like mileage is the ONLY reason any customer would ever ,ever want to do VIP

    That may be true for some but not all customers--just as it is not always true that VIP sans extras is pay more for equal or lesser service. That attitude is so piggish

    It's a matter of tastes and for some non mileage hounds VIP is still a superior experience worth their hard earned money.

    I'm just so sick of you raincoaters acting like all non raincoaters are stupid just because they like a different type of service than you guys do.

    You boys seriously need to get it through your heads ( both of them) that your way isn't the ONLY way.

    bleh



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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg120992#msg120 992 date=1086983164
    Call me crazy, but if someone purchases a one hour block of time, that should be for 60 minutes worth of dances, not 42 minutes of dances and 18 minutes worth of sitting and chatting (unless of course the customer specifically requests to sit and chat).
    ok, you're crazy! I have never done a vip/champagne room where I danced straight for the entire hour. I don't rip anybody off, I don't tell them they're going to get something they're not. In addition to the reasons Tigerlilly mentioned, a big lure of the vip is more intimacy.

    Have you had a vip, doc?



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    I liked the VIP at my old club in Indianapolis. The mileage was better as was the intimacy. Standard drink costs and only $50 per half hour. I wish I was still travelling there regularly.

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    Come now, gentlemen We know the difference between a customer who wants additional mundane information (how long are the dances, one way contact/two-way/air dances, 2-4-1 specials) and those who are insinuating something. I've never noticed subtlety being a strong point in those who want a blowjob for $30.

    Tampa, what I do with customers who ask is to give all of them a general rundown of the detailed information surrounding a VIP. Innuendo is best answered with blank incomprehension. The persistent ones will bluntly ask for services anyways, after you stymie them enough, and then you get the fun of telling them not only no, but hell no, at any price.
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    I swear to god, I never asked to see a menu

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    Selling VIP is like selling top shelf liquor. Sure the cheap stuff will get you drunk, too, it just isn't as fun to drink.

    VIP is just that, a status symbol. Toyota makes the best running cars in the world, they are also sold at very affordable prices, but people still buy BMW or mercerdes (neither are know for being long running or even very comfortable, comparatively), sometimes even if they can't afford it. Why? Status.

    Sell VIP as a "you're worth it" type of service. Any Joe Blow can get $20 floor dances, don't you want to be the guy who takes the ladies into the back, and subsequently gets all the attention from the girls? If the girls make VIP the cool and status thing to do, the men will buy.

    Ladies, why do you want a Prada or Vitton bag? What is the big deal about Manolo Blahnik shoes? Nothing really, except that it is really freaking expensive, and you feel good about saying that is what you have. Guys are the same way, they want VIP because it makes them super hip in their own eyes.

    So next time a guy asks what is so good about VIP, try something like "Every time (insert famous name here) comes in he spends the whole night in there, and the girls can't wait to fall all over themselves to to greet him the next time he comes in". Satus,period.


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    My club is all about the vip booths.
    And mileage is way up everywhere. Guys want to know what they are getting. I am asked all the time. How far do you go?? I usually get them by selling the girl girl stuff and I try to bring a friend.
    I can see what they are saying.. " I spent this much last week and got this". Why spend the same and get less.
    You just need a good angle. And I very rarely dance for the whole time I am in the booth.
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    ok. i know what you are saying. what i meant to say is it's so annoying when guys ask what kind of extras are involved with the vip room!



    I understand that a guy paying 400/ hr compared to a couple of dances is totally different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tampafldancer link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg121231#msg121 231 date=1087033488
    ok. i know what you are saying. what i meant to say is it's so annoying when guys ask what kind of extras are involved with the vip room!
    Oh okay that is different I don't ask for "extras".

    If I go to the VIP room (rarely) it is because there is I feel there is some connection and I want the quiet/privacy that you can't get on the floor. I do agree with doc though that some of the additional charges in VIP rooms can be annoying (e.g., $100 drink minimum, $100 room use charge, some jerk walking around with a camera asking if I want to buy photos of "me and my lady"). I understand the clubs use this to make money, but when I start feeling like I'm being conned I just want to say f*ck it, it is not worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg121128#msg121 128 date=1087006554
    Quote Originally Posted by ParisLove link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg121101#msg121 101 date=1086999975
    So next time a guy asks what is so good about VIP, try something like "Every time (insert famous name here) comes in he spends the whole night in there, and the girls can't wait to fall all over themselves to to greet him the next time he comes in". Satus,period.
    Sorry Paris, I understand your overall point but this one is a bit much. The club section here lists 4,661 clubs. I have to believe in over 4,000 of them (certainly including my usual one) that line would be met by gales of laughter.
    I disagree. Alot of guys go to stripclubs to feel important -- even if it's just for an hour or so. Doing something a famous person does will have alot of appeal for some

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    That's probably true.

    But what you're saying is, much of the clientele for low-mileage strippers consists of insecure morons -- and the strippers in fact view them that way.

    And then you gals get all upset when we "high-mileage" guys say we think low-mileage stripping is insulting?

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    For me it's really easy, I'm like "okay, over here if I dance for you I have to keep my top and bottoms on and I have to remain and foot away and absolutely no contact - over there none of those rules applies."
    Sorry raincoaters, but I'm also getting more adept at things like "so if I buy a dance, will I be.... pleasured?" and I say "Oh, it's the most /pleasurable/" get there and damned if you're going to get off. Yes, I'm mean about it.
    If the guy HASN'T done that, just randomly bought a dance, and once we're there that the "can I touch your pussy?" me: "no." customer: "this is a rip-off!" that it sucks. Usually, though, the customer that gets a dance and comes back for another, showing that yes I am indeed worth the money, is such a good feeling.
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    Guys reading- you should never be fearful of asking a dancer an honest question and as Lilith has pointed out, give the ladies a LITTLE credit for knowing what your intentions are.

    There is a distinct difference between someone clueless about a particular club looking for direction (most often looked at as "cute") and a raincoater throwing out something loaded with a deeper motive (rarely looked at as "cute" lol).

    VIP/Champagnes really do cause a customer to raise an eyebrow simply because they go against the logic of the rest of the real world. If you look at paying dancers as buying blocks of time, everything else in the world when you buy bigger volume usually has a discount, not a harsh penalty LOL.

    When you've been selling 5 minute blocks of time for $20 each, then point to another area and say "30 minutes over there is $300"... the natural reaction (provided not too much alcohol is involved) should be "Hmmm, 30 minutes here is $120.. 30 minutes there is $300.. " Customers fairly new to stripclubs or not familiar with the dynamic will have a natural reaction or curiosity towards the rate hike.

    Tigerlilly did an excellent job explaining only some of the value behind upgrades in SC's. I'd only like to add a few more suggestions that have value for upgrades:
    1) Convenience- This is the #1, really. On the floor or under dance counters, there are tabs, math, counting, etc.etc. Who wants to do this in their head or otherwise deal with it at all? This is supposed to be a relaxing and entertaining time. VIPs/Champagnes or anything that comes in bigger blocks of time add the MASSIVE luxury of dropping down for the half-hour or hour then you get complete, uncomplicated time.. no fuss, no tracking. Just relax and enjoy yourself. Ladies- work this angle! Even a borderline frugal customer can see massive value in a one-time flatrate fee paid and forget having to do math in his head or keep track of tabs. ("No hidden charges, no additional fees.. just you, me, and an hour. Pay once, and not worry in the world.").

    2) Voices Carry- VIP/Champagnes are almost always more secluded and private and therefore allow dancer and customer to discuss/joke about things that one would usually not want nearby people to hear. I'm not talking anything pornographic here- but funny, not-so-classy things. Dancers REALLY cut loose in Champagne! On the floor they may be maintaining an image of class and sophistication so as not to turn-off the suits with the expense accounts- get them into Champagne and they can finally be dorks or crack-ups, sharing stories about her friends infant that shitted up her favorite comforter, or some really off-color jokes. There are SO many sharp-witted dancers in my city- but they really can't cut loose on the floor for the more uptight customers that might overhear nearby. So yeah- the best VIP/Champagne's do need a lot of kleenex and wet wipes, but rather for wiping tears... and walking down those steps with sore sides.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg121764#msg121 764 date=1087162717
    VIP/Champagnes really do cause a customer to raise an eyebrow simply because they go against the logic of the rest of the real world. If you look at paying dancers as buying blocks of time, everything else in the world when you buy bigger volume usually has a discount, not a harsh penalty LOL.

    When you've been selling 5 minute blocks of time for $20 each, then point to another area and say "30 minutes over there is $300"... the natural reaction (provided not too much alcohol is involved) should be "Hmmm, 30 minutes here is $120.. 30 minutes there is $300.. " Customers fairly new to stripclubs or not familiar with the dynamic will have a natural reaction or curiosity towards the rate hike.
    Very true, at which point I think its logical to consider that if there's no incentive to buy based on quantity, that there must be one quality wise. The problem of course is that an increase in quality (or at least what that particular customer would consider such), isn't always delivered.

    Tigerlilly did an excellent job explaining only some of the value behind upgrades in SC's. I'd only like to add a few more suggestions that have value for upgrades:

    1) Convenience- This is the #1, really. On the floor or under dance counters, there are tabs, math, counting, etc.etc. Who wants to do this in their head or otherwise deal with it at all? This is supposed to be a relaxing and entertaining time. VIPs/Champagnes or anything that comes in bigger blocks of time add the MASSIVE luxury of dropping down for the half-hour or hour then you get complete, uncomplicated time.. no fuss, no tracking. Just relax and enjoy yourself. Ladies- work this angle! Even a borderline frugal customer can see massive value in a one-time flatrate fee paid and forget having to do math in his head or keep track of tabs. ("No hidden charges, no additional fees.. just you, me, and an hour. Pay once, and not worry in the world.").

    2) Voices Carry- VIP/Champagnes are almost always more secluded and private and therefore allow dancer and customer to discuss/joke about things that one would usually not want nearby people to hear. I'm not talking anything pornographic here- but funny, not-so-classy things. Dancers REALLY cut loose in Champagne! On the floor they may be maintaining an image of class and sophistication so as not to turn-off the suits with the expense accounts- get them into Champagne and they can finally be dorks or crack-ups, sharing stories about her friends infant that shitted up her favorite comforter, or some really off-color jokes. There are SO many sharp-witted dancers in my city- but they really can't cut loose on the floor for the more uptight customers that might overhear nearby. So yeah- the best VIP/Champagne's do need a lot of kleenex and wet wipes, but rather for wiping tears... and walking down those steps with sore sides.
    And if any of the aforementioned benefits of VIP are of better value to the customer than the alternative, he should spend his money how it best suits him. What some who tout these benefits can't seem to understand is that that they mean absolutely nothing to some customers (not all of whom are mileage hounds), or that under particular circumstances they just aren't worth springing for the extra money. If what you're looking for in a SC experience is available on the main floor, then why pay more?

    Yes, I've done VIPs a couple of times, and the results satisfaction wise have been mixed. Mileage had nothing to do with the final outcome.
    Former SCJ now in rehab.

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    Default Re:what do you do in the vip room??? rant

    Quote Originally Posted by Rath link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg121730#msg121 730 date=1087156012
    That's probably true.

    But what you're saying is, much of the clientele for low-mileage strippers consists of insecure morons -- and the strippers in fact view them that way.


    And then you gals get all upset when we "high-mileage" guys say we think low-mileage stripping is insulting?
    ABSOLUTELY NOT TRUE. That doesn't make them insecure or morons. That's the typical raincoater attitude about low mileage customers

    it's not the typical dancer opinion IMO and certianly not my opinion of them.


    I think everyone alive likes to do that to one ( ie-do something a big shot does) to degree or another.

    I think it's a natural thing and that stripclubs are one of many places where people can do that

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