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    I've never dealt with this before. I especially was not expecting it from a club in Texas! I was suspended from the Colorado because I did not work tonight. I signed a paper on Thursday saying I would come in tonight because I left early.

    I got sick suddenly at dinner. It was very uncomfortable. I began getting feverish and jittery. my stomach was messing up on me, like acid reflux.

    When I called, they said my license would be waiting for me at the door. I'm suspended for the first time ever. Whatshould I do?
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    Are they scheduling girls @ The Colorado these days? This is weird, what happened?

    Come work w me Monday @ St. James up north! It will be like old times...we'll see each other in passing while making $$$$, hahahahaha!!

    But realistically, go work somewhere else in the area.....maybe Centerfolds or Ricks?

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    Suspension That's a power play by management to fix something among their dancers. When a club that never did scheduling before start doing it I find it's usually a sign of the clubs numbers going down. It's a first line of business defense

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    that's so unfair to you! did the management want you to puke on costumers instead? you were sick, not something you could control. it's not like you were wishing it, right? how many days are they making you stay away? i guess you could take a mini vacation or do an art workshop, etc. while you're out.

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    Forcing you to work when you are ill (which is what they are doing by creating that environment) is not legal...for whatever that is worth. What should you do? You should go work somewhere else, and call the city....tell them there are cockroaches at Colorado's.

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    Lemme guess...was it my FFF (favorite fat fuck) Dale who created this genius suspension plan? Or has Frank's alcoholism really gone too far this time? You're such an asset there....stupid them! LOL

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    It's bad enough that clubs charge us to work there, now crap like this?

    Next time just go in and do a Jeff Goldblum on him and spew stomach acid all over him. That'll show them. I've worked in clubs with schedules before, but they've been doing that looong before I got there. I agree with Katrine and Tigerlilly - suddenly mandating a schedule is not a good sign.
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    They'd be watching my tipouts disappear into the distance and coughing up dust from my platforms for days cuz I'd hightail it straight to another club.

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    I can't say I blame them for trying to get a pretty girl who is a good worker to come in on Saturday though, Juliette.

    Saturday night in Htown, especially @ Colorado sucks major goat-ass!! Alll the customers are 19 year old gangstas using their older brother's ID, and most of the dancers use it as their night to get majorly fucked up at work on their drug of choice......

    Once again, their loss, my last words on this subject

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    thats such shit to try and have you work when not feeling good, and then suspending you definetley a fuck up on their part, id definetley say its time to go to a new club!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Juliette_deSade link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg121697#msg12 1697 date=1087149109
    I've never dealt with this before. I especially was not expecting it from a club in Texas! I was suspended from the Colorado because I did not work tonight. I signed a paper on Thursday saying I would come in tonight because I left early.

    I got sick suddenly at dinner. It was very uncomfortable. I began getting feverish and jittery. my stomach was messing up on me, like acid reflux.

    When I called, they said my license would be waiting for me at the door. I'm suspended for the first time ever. Whatshould I do?
    Take some medicine for your stomach.
    And Take your medicine for missing the shift.

    Spend your suspension looking at other clubs in the area to see if you may want to swap clubs if you think this suspension is out of line.It doesnt sound like it.
    It sounds like you agreed to work if they let you out early on another night.You even signed a paper agreeing to it.
    It sounds like you earned the suspension,so now,take your medicine or move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinaDaisy link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg121989#msg12 1989 date=1087205793
    It's bad enough that clubs charge us to work there, now crap like this?

    Next time just go in and do a Jeff Goldblum on him and spew stomach acid all over him. That'll show them. I've worked in clubs with schedules before, but they've been doing that looong before I got there. I agree with Katrine and Tigerlilly - suddenly mandating a schedule is not a good sign.
    Maybe try looking at it from the other side.

    How would you start a schedule then, in a club that didnt have one???

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    Unfortunately...I would have to agree with BigGreen.

    You knew that you had to go in. Even if you went in and then went home sick...so that they could see that you were really sick. I had that happen to me one time...and I went in anyways. They saw me run to the bathroom and one of the girls heard me puking up...management sent me home with some get well wishes and told me to call when I was feeling better to get back on the schedule.

    You have to understand that management deals with girls who leave early and call off all of the time. It's hard to run a business when people are not reliable. As much as it sucks...I think that you should accept your role in the suspension and deal with it.

    Sorry it happened...but, well...it did.

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    Unfortunately...I would have to agree with BigGreen.
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    At our club, we suspend dancers who are constantly late, calling off, or no showing. I guess it depends on your reputation with the club. I treat this job like any other job, and therefore, I do work sick unless I am in the hospital. And, it is not illegal to make you work when sick - any office job would not put up with someone calling off every other day for being sick. I have worked in places that made you request bathroom breaks and only gave you 2 a day! I drink a gallon of water a day - this job and I just did not mix!
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    Wow, catfly, strict. I've never worked at a club with a schedule, and while a "regular" job would have schedules, and therefore not put up with calling in, we aren't in a regular job. The atmosphere of the club, for one thing, declines when a bunch of dancers are miserable because they don't want to be there. By choosing when you want to work, a dancer can go when she's motivated and feels good about herself which will make both her and the club more money. I do, however, understand why management may make minimum hours worked- especially on slower nights.

    I've been working at the St. James for nearly two years and love love love it. Several times, I've decided to venture elsewhere for work and would last one or two days and come back. While I've never been to the Colorado, suspending you for something like that seems silly. The only tight-a** manager at St. James just was fired and replaced by my favorite former bartender, so its better not (as far as management goes) then before. Maybe you should try it out... and if you do, ask for Zariah (pronounced "Mariah" but with a Z...)

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    .....im with mnm on this one
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    I think the age old saying applies here.
    "dont cut off your nose,just to sit on my face."
    Or something like that.

    If she likes the club and is making money,I dont think she should jump out without some calm consideration.
    See how you feel after the suspension and how your treated,then decide.

    Good luck either way.

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    It's one thing to suspend/fire a dancer for calling out sick, leaving early, etc, in a schedule club. But in a club that has NEVER had a schedule before and ONLY wants to implement it on ONE night as "payback" for the girl leaving early ONCE, it just doesn't fly to suspend her if she's sick. Further, it doesn't matter if she signed a paper. They can't make you work if you're puking. Period. She shouldn't have to go through the hassle of getting ready and going in just to show the assholes she's really sick, then drive back home again. That is ridiculous and inhumane.

    It doesn't sound at all like they're trying to implement a new scheduling system, it just sounds like they were trying to make her "repay" for leaving early one night. Texas clubs don't have schedules and you better believe one Texas club won't be able to start that because as soon as they try they won't have any girls - they'll all go to other clubs.

    If a club wants to initiate a scheduling system, they hold a meeting to let everyone know when it starts and how it will work, and do it across the board, not just for one girl one night as payback for leaving early on a previous night. The way they handled Juliette's situation was immature and unprofessional IMO. They could've charged her a fine equal to the house fee for that night (since she did sign a paper) instead of suspension.

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    So much for the "independent contractor" facade. [/sneer]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg125220#msg12 5220 date=1087739508
    So much for the "independent contractor" facade. [/sneer]
    It is on the slippery slope but a schedule per se does not necessarily mean the company is dictating the hours. An example is a cab company which must juggle cars and drivers and can't have more drivers than cabs. Arranging so as not to have more dancers than patrons would not be controlling the hours of work.

    A schedule which does more than just coordinate coverage would of course raise issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg125197#msg12 5197 date=1087730383
    It's one thing to suspend/fire a dancer for calling out sick, leaving early, etc, in a schedule club. But in a club that has NEVER had a schedule before and ONLY wants to implement it on ONE night as "payback" for the girl leaving early ONCE, it just doesn't fly to suspend her if she's sick. Further, it doesn't matter if she signed a paper. They can't make you work if you're puking. Period.
    I have to agree with Venus on this one. The club has no way of knowing that Juliette would be puking on customers other than her word that she would be. Think of this from the perspective of a manager for a minute. Do you have any idea how many times they hear excuses from dancers in a given week? How many times they hear, "oh, I'm so sick I can't come in" when in reality they were out partying all night and their "sickness" is really a hangover? Or how many times they hear "I'm sick" when they aren't? So the club made her sign a paper saying she'd be in the club on a certain night. Right, wrong, or indifferent, there are consequences to any set of actions. Juliette signed the paper, and she really did get sick on the night she was supposed to go in. Did she go to a doctor? No, so there is really no way to validate her claim to management who hears that excuse all the time. The consequenses behind that choice was for her to be terminated. Being a new policy, they probably decided to make an example out of her, and yet also understand that she didn't hold up her end of the agreement. Sick or not, that's the case. I'm not saying she did the wrong thing either. If she was sick, she should have stayed home. She also needs to understand that there are consequences for that decision also. It's probably a blessing in disguise anyway, and I know she'll do awesome at her next club!

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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg125222#msg12 5222 date=1087740612
    It is on the slippery slope
    I agree that one thing doesn't necessarily make or break the "contractor" status. My comment was looking at one example that's a big one in the game of 20 Questions that is played by IRS, Workers Comp, and Unemployment.

    Hire you, fire you, demand fees, set your hours. "Independent," indeed. I use independent contractors, and if I did what strip clubs do with them, I'd have government ragging my ass and putting me out of business through back payments, penalties, and interest.

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    I agree JayZ.

    Dancers need to be aware that they are not long destined to fly under the radar of a whole host of rules and regualtions of the "normal" world.

    If you want to scare the "typical" dancer, tell them all the fun adventures you have with the IRS. Melonie has tried to convince the "hiding" dancers that they are not going to stay hidden for much longer and the big bite in the ass could sneak up from behind. The times are going to be changing, like it or not.

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    DW, while I agree there should have been a consequense for not showing up after signing an agreement, I have to disagree she should have been suspended or fired. From what Juliette described, that paper she signed was a one-off deal they were using to get her to "payback" for them letting her leave early, not a scheduling issue. They didn't have schedules previously, and as I said before, they can't expect one girl to suddenly start following a schedule on some spur of the moment deal. It's just not gonna happen. If they want to try the schedule thing, they would HAVE to hold a meeting and announce it to everyone, and start / enforce it with everyone at the same time - not on some one-off "payback" deal they use to basically strong-arm a girl into working the crap shift. Otherwise it's just bad business - no schedule unless you want to leave early, then you have to schedule a certain day or you get fired? No way.

    The main issue is they never used a schedule before, it hadn't been previously announced, so they don't really have grounds to fire/suspend a girl for not showing up one particular night. It just doesn't work that way. Since there was a signed paper they should have simply charged her the house fee for that night and left it at that. I'm willing to BET there were no provisions for a two-week suspension in that paper she signed in case of failure to appear.

    Those Texas clubs are very much like the LV clubs in that they don't have schedules, the girls for the most part come and go as they please (the ONLY requirement in TX clubs is generally that once you show up you work the full shift, but even that is very loosely enforced), and the managers don't deal with girls calling in sick as a result. Perhaps the manager didn't believe Juliette was really sick, but I'm pretty sure most bosses in most jobs don't believe the people who call in sick half the time either, and they don't fire or lay-off people on the first incident!

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