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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg125283#msg12 5283 date=1087751371
    DW, while I agree there should have been a consequense for not showing up after signing an agreement, I have to disagree she should have been suspended or fired.
    I still stand by my original opinion though. The puishment may have been harsh, and yet that's the way the world works. Like I said, right or wrong, there is a consequence. To think that no punishment would happen for her not showing up is simply naive. Did she call the club to tell them she wouldn't show up? If she didn't, that's like any job where if you don't call or show, then you get fired. That's common sense. Many jobs require you to bring a doctor's note if you are so sick you can't come in to work. She signed an agreement that said she would be in that night. I don't doubt she was sick, but you have to look at the other side of the story. Here is a manager who had a dancer ask to leave early one night. He asks her to sign an agreement for her to show up on a given night in exchange for that and she signed it. She doesn't show, so in his mind, the punishment of firing her more than fit the crime. I personally wouldn't have gone that far, but I certainly can understand why someone else would have. For all you know, he may have had three other dancers flake on him that night. So he relies on juliette to come in and she doesn't. She has a typical "I was sick" excuse with no validation so he says, "screw it...you're outta here". I feel bad for Juliette. I do. I also understand there are also two sides to every story also and there have been more to the situation than she knows. She had to expect something would have happened for her not showing, and so hence here is the consequence. It didn't have to be cut and dry in my opinion for the result that happened. The manager didn't have to say, "sign here and if you don't come in you're fired". To me, it's common sense that at least SOME action would be taken on the part of the club management. One action may have been a slap on the wrist. One action may have been a fine, and one action may have been her termination. I don't believe for a second that Juliette didn't at least think once that she was going to get fired for not showing. Like I said, I dare you to find me one employer that would not fire an employee when the employee said they would be at work the next day and didn't show, didn't call, or didn't provide validation for their absense. Especially when the employee said, in writing, that they would be. Again, those are the consequences.

    Those Texas clubs are very much like the LV clubs in that they don't have schedules, the girls for the most part come and go as they please
    Actually, a lot of Vegas clubs are starting to schedule dancers now and enforce it strictly. I understand your point here about the schedules, but to me, that point is irrelevant in the case of Juliette. The club asked her to come in on a certain night. They told her she was being scheduled to work that night. The fact that not every dancer in the club was told of a schedule, or was told that it was a rule being enforced doesn't matter. Even the fact that she wasn't told of the consequences isn't relevant. Who in the world established that business, or even life, was fair? Again though, you just have to understand the circumstances. To think that termination wasn't even a possibility is rather naive. A bit harsh, yes. A bit understandable, also yes in my opinion. Look at it like this. If you were to put your hand on hot coals, the consequence may be a 3rd degree burn. You didn't ask for the burn, nor is the punishment of a burn fair by comparison for you just touching something. However, I'll bet you learn a valuable lesson that the next time you touch something you aren't farmilliar with, you will understand that the consequence may be extreme pain so you will be more careful. I guarantee you the next time Juliette gets ill, she'll do everything in her power to make sure the club understands and is accepting of her absence because she now understands what the worse case scenario feels like. I see this as more of a positive lesson in life for her rather than a negative experience in fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg125220#msg12 5220 date=1087739508
    So much for the "independent contractor" facade. [/sneer]
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    When it comes to these types of issues on this board, why is it that dancers and non-dancers (guys) always disagree?

    Sorry DW, but Bridgette worked in Tx, and I currently work in Tx. More specifically, I worked at the same club as Juliette for a very long time. What they did to her was bullshit retaliation, that simple. I know why they did it though. Saturday night is really a tough night to get quality girls to come in, believe it or not. Weekdays are always better for us with the businessmen. I would listen to what Bridgette has stated, as I corroborate completely and don't need to add anymore.....

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    DW, shorter is better. I know I'm one to talk but, geez.
    Thanks Kat. It IS always interesting how it's 99% of the time the GUYS who disagree on these issues, GUYS who have never worked in the industry and ultimately don't know what the real deal is....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg125512#msg12 5512 date=1087791896
    DW, shorter is better. I know I'm one to talk but, geez.
    Sorry, I had to get a little verbose to help explain my point. Obviously it didn't work.

    It IS always interesting how it's 99% of the time the GUYS who disagree on these issues, GUYS who have never worked in the industry
    First of all, I have worked and am knowledgeable about this industry far more than you realize. That being said, my background in this industry is irrelevant for this topic. In addition, your background in the industry is irrelevant for this topic as well because this isn't a "dancer" issue. It's an employee/employer issue.

    and ultimately don't know what the real deal is....
    I think you just made my point for me though. This isn't a dancer issue or an issue with Texas clubs, nor is this a club issue or a guy vs. girl issue. It's a business issue or more specifically, an employer/employee issue. Nothing more, nothing less. You can call it retaliation or whatever else you like. To me, it's a pretty simple issue of and employee not holding up their end of the bargain of being an employee. Let's take this issue to a logical conclusion. If an employee of, say, a construction company asked the Lead Contractor for part of a day off and the Lead Contractor said "sure, just sign this agreement saying you'll work for us tomorrow". The contractor signs the form and doesn't show up the next day. Never calls, or never provides any backup for their no calling or no showing. Would you call it "extreme" for the contractor to be fired? Of course not. So why is it any different for a dancer? Why is it that when a dancer is held up to the same standards as the rest of the working world it's "discrimination" or "management retribution" etc.? I don't have to be a dancer or an expert on the industry to see this either. I'm sure you'll respond with something like, "You have no idea what us dancers go though" and that's the challenge in our communication on this topic. It has nothing to do with her being a dancer. Kat said that this is just BS retalliation, and if that's the case, I guess we have to call every person in America who gets fired for not showing up for their job BS retalliation from their boss as well, right? So explain to me how it's different for a dancer as opposed to any other career or even sub-contracting job.

    Heck, even for yucks, I just walked into the other room and played out this scenario for my wife to get her opinion. She's a General Manager for an italian restaraunt here in Vegas. I asked her, "if you had an employee who asked to go home early one day and you asked them to come into work the next day to compensate. Then they no-called/no-showed, how would you handle it?" She responded with, "I'd most likely fire them." Nuff said.

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    so how many people actually go to the doctor for a stomach bug or the flu? unless she was puking up blood or had a temp of 104 degrees, it wasn't emergency enough for her to go to the doctor. but it was bad enough for her to not go to work that night. and a suspension for that long when all she did was not come in for as far as we know of, one day out of all the time she's worked there is ridiculous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A.n.a.l.a. link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg125576#msg12 5576 date=1087803395
    so how many people actually go to the doctor for a stomach bug or the flu? unless she was puking up blood or had a temp of 104 degrees, it wasn't emergency enough for her to go to the doctor. but it was bad enough for her to not go to work that night. and a suspension for that long when all she did was not come in for as far as we know of, one day out of all the time she's worked there is ridiculous.
    A doctor's note may be a bit extreme. I'll give you that. I am curious if she called the club that night to let them know if she wasn't going to make it because she was sick though. My thought is, if she called and at least made an effort to let the club know she wasn't coming in because she was sick, then yeah, I think her being terminated was far from fair. If she didn't call in though and just didn't show up that night, well, I can certainly understand why her manager would be upset and made the decision they did.

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    Ok...back to the regular post. She called the club and told them that she wouldn't be coming in because she was sick. They told her that her license would be at the door to pick up...and she was suspended, not fired.

    NOW...I agree that it's hard to know the exact way things happened this night of Juliette's dilemma. But, based on what she said, she made an agreement with the club to go home early one night and then make up for that by coming in another night. She KNEW of this agreement and she broke it anyways. Did she even read what the agreement said? It very well may have said that if she missed the next day, she would be suspended. Was it harsh? Maybe, maybe not...depending on how her "reputation" at the club is. Had this been the only time she called off ever, maybe...but, if she is a "repeat offender" and not reliable to be in when she says she will be...then I could see them doing this.

    Whether or not the club is implementing a schedule is of no consequence. She made an agreement to be there on a certain day and time and failed to live up to the agreement. Nothing else matters. It's really that simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine link=board=27;threadid=10088;start=msg125450#msg12 5450 date=1087778277
    What they did to her was bullshit retaliation, that simple. I know why they did it though. Saturday night is really a tough night to get quality girls to come in, believe it or not. Weekdays are always better for us with the businessmen.
    Just as I thought. Management pulls this type of thing when they are having a problem with staffing the club. The thing is that they come down on their better dancers first which is stupid in my opinion because they are the most likely to not need the club whereas the club apparently needs them or they wouldn't be pulling these stunts to begin with.

    It would behoove management to make it more enticing to work the nights they are having trouble with instead of using threats and punishments to "scare" the dancers in line. It's too easy to just go to a different club in most cases.

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