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    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crim...p-174879c.html

    It caught my eye when I logged in. Boy does this kind of article chap my hide! Read the very last 2 paragraphs, have nothing to do with Russian dancers specifically....

    Its hard to get down to the facts of a potentially serious story when they end it with a total slam on anyone who would strip!

    Maybe the girls are doing it voluntarily, maybe they are forced. No one will ever know because the investigation is biased and prejudiced...against strippers!!!

    Not trying to start a flame war or anything here kids.....

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    Holy shit! Attorney Bronson is quite an informed guy. Wow, I can't believe anyone this day and age would make that kind of a quote. That just turned my stomach. Anybody know what club that is in the picture?

    Questioning someone's accountability based on the fact that they strip for a living???? Stupid. Besides, the girls may be forced.... they didn't choose it voluntarily, so how could he go there anyway? Damn, I like to think attorneys are better informed and more logical than that. That's the second time an attorney has left me with this smiley in the past month ???. Honest-to-God SCARY.

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    (from the article)

    But prosecutors said in court papers that I'lina, attorney Larry Bronson and a private investigator tried to intimidate witnesses in the case at Delilah's Den in South Amboy, N.J., last November.

    "We're gonna win, and I know they promised you a green card," I'lina told one of the dancers, according to a prosecutor's account. "They're going to use you like condoms and throw you away."

    Prosecutor Leslie Faye Schwartz said one of the alleged victims told her that an attorney and another man from the group came close to the stage, waving $20 bills as she danced.

    "Come on and talk to me like a customer," one of the men said. "I'll take a dance."

    Bronson questions the credibility of the dancers.

    Anybody who can stand on a stage and take their clothes off and then give some greasy truck driver a lap dance is not someone who is a shrinking violet," Bronson said.



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    I certainly question the credibility of lawyers such as the sleazeball Larry Bronson who would make such an inflammatory remark. What an asshole!


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    "Anybody who can stand on a stage and take their clothes off and then give some greasy truck driver a lap dance is not someone who is a shrinking violet," Bronson said.

    I cant believe he said that!
    You think you know... but you have no idea!

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    Yea, without truck drivers, we wouldn't have anything in the stores...

    Sounds like a guy with all sorts of prejudices...

    Asshole.

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    Whatever the reality of the Daily News story, it will undeniably achieve the following ...

    This is yet more bad publicity against strip clubs which has appeared in the NY papers, adding more fuel to the new NYC councilwoman's would-be neo-anti dance club crusade.

    This report alleges that girls are being allowed to work illegally in NY/NJ strip clubs, and will likely prompt an investigation by the FBI or co-operating state authorities into the real names, real addresses, real social security numbers etc. of all dancers working in NY/NJ strip clubs - on the grounds that they need to ascertain that dancers are either US citizens, have "green cards", or have work visas specifically for dancing.

    This report also alleges illegal money transfers, which is very likely to attract the attention of the IRS and state/local tax dept's towards club and dancer finances.

    If I didn't know better, I would wager that this story and the recent ones about strip clubs are some sort of a behind the scenes plot to attack the NY/NJ strip club industry. If stories like this one keep appearing, eventually government is going to be forced to take direct action. In the meantime, indirect FBI and IRS snooping are likely to deal the NY/NJ strip club industry a nasty blow in any case.

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    Sorry ladies but Mr. Bronson is doing his job. He's an advocate for his client and that means attacking the credibility of his client's accusers. Secondly, and more
    importantly, this kind of activity does occur. Some time
    ago, I personally witnessed one of these Russian
    pimp/goons give one of his girls a little "pep-talk". I
    was told later by another Russian dancer unconnected
    to this creep that the dancer had worked a full Day shift
    at one club and had then been shipped over to the club
    I was in to work the Night shift.Apparently, he was very
    displeased at the effect fatigue was having on her
    attitude and stage deportment and told her to "suck it
    up OR ELSE !!!! ".
    Many of you gals work in clubs where they have
    E. European dancers. You know many of them do NOT
    have Green cards. You've seen them driven in and
    picked up by their , ahem, "boyfriends". Why be surprised that the gov't is going after the smugglers ?
    If the clubs crack down on "illegal" dancers demanding
    to see Green cards and work permits - aren't you in
    favor of that ?

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    Hell yes, I'm in favor of them busting those fuckers. I see your point on the attorney... which is why I could never be one. I still don't see putting down truckers and dancers as a good attack on their credibility. Must not be a very good attorney. I would just laugh at that if I were on a jury.

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    Since I'm actually familiar with Larry Bronson as an attorney (he generally practice criminal defense work in the New York/New Jersey area), I can say that he's not held in high esteem by his peers. That is to say that many of your statements are accurate, he's generally regarded as a sleazy type. Its sad that the Daily News ignored his well-known horrible reputation and printed his quotes like they actually have any validity. Although, I can't be surprised at anything done by New York tabloid newspapers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harvard link=board=27;threadid=10106;start=msg122245#msg12 2245 date=1087239221
    Since I'm actually familiar with Larry Bronson as an attorney (he generally practice criminal defense work in the New York/New Jersey area), I can say that he's not held in high esteem by his peers. That is to say that many of your statements are accurate, he's generally regarded as a sleazy type. Its sad that the Daily News ignored his well-known horrible reputation and printed his quotes like they actually have any validity. Although, I can't be surprised at anything done by New York tabloid newspapers.
    Off-topic: Sounds like the piece of trash that is representing my ex. Anyone that could represent an obvious criminal like that, and try to get him out of punishment for a crime, should be punished themselves, imo!

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    what an asshole!
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    Ok the guy is clearly an asshole but I think y'all are misinterpreting his one quote --

    "Anybody who can stand on a stage and take their clothes off and then give some greasy truck driver a lap dance is not someone who is a shrinking violet," Bronson said.

    I PROUDLY say I am definitely no shrinking violet! A shrinking violet is NOT a complimentary term.

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    Bronson questions the credibility of the dancers.

    Anybody who can stand on a stage and take their clothes off and then give some greasy truck driver a lap dance is not someone who is a shrinking violet," Bronson said.
    th:

    Bah. Lawyers say crap like this all the time. All the more reason we need to kill 99% of them.

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    Yes, Bridgette, I was thinking the same thing about that comment. I don't think that he meant that as an insult. I think what he is suggesting is that since exotic dancers are bold enough and confident enough to bare their bodies, then they are likely not the type who would be forced into doing something such as this. His comment says to me that he acknowledges that in general, strippers are women with a mind and a backbone--usually not pushovers. A shrinking violet refers to someone who will not put up a fight for what they believe in.

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    Many of you gals work in clubs where they have
    E. European dancers. You know many of them do NOT
    have Green cards. You've seen them driven in and
    picked up by their, ahem, "boyfriends". Why be surprised that the gov't is going after the smugglers ?
    If the clubs crack down on "illegal" dancers demanding
    to see Green cards and work permits - aren't you in
    favor of that ?
    If there was some way for the FBI and the IRS to selectively investigate club records of ONLY Russian dancers, then yes I would be in favor of this. However, you and I both know that if the FBI and IRS are given a reason to investigate club records, it's not going to stop there.

    The FBI and IRS will wind up with a list of real names, real addresses, and real social security numbers of every dancer who has worked at every club involved with these Russian dancers for the past however long the clubs have kept 'employee' dancer applications on file. The FBI and IRS will wind up with a list of which dancers worked on what nights from club schedules. The FBI and IRS will wind up with a list of how much money each dancer was paid by the clubs on which nights from club financial records. The Russian dancers co-operating with the FBI and IRS (in exchange for being given a legal "green card" and perhaps getting some of her extorted money back) are going to provide grand jury testimony in regard to how much money they routinely earned at the club. The FBI and IRS will reconstruct a 'probable income' for the Russian dancers in order to make a case against the Russian 'overseer' extorting vast amounts of money, and this same reconstructed 'probable income' can be directly applied to other dancers whose names have appeared in club records in respect to their past years declared incomes on their tax returns.

    With the FBI and the IRS now having probable cause, there's no doubt that clubs involved with Russian dancers are going to have their books and records gone over with a fine tooth comb in preparation for the case against the 'overseer'. Clubowners will likely be hit with major back taxes claims on top of a Patriot Act fine for hiring 'illegal' workers, which may indeed bankrupt some of them. Other dancers whose names appear in the records of these clubs will also likely be hit with major back taxes claims.

    This is going to be one NASTY bit of business for every single person involved with these clubs over the past 2-3 years !!!! It's going to be particularly difficult for dancers currently working at the clubs involved who may wind up out of a job if the club is bankrupted by the Patriot Act fines and back taxes claims. It's also not going to be pleasant for any dancers who have worked for the clubs involved over the past 2-3 years if they wind up receiving a whopping bill from the IRS for unpaid back taxes based on the testimony of the Russian dancers as to how much money dancers were typically earning in these clubs.

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    This article pisses me off in a number of ways:
    1) The obvious slam against the credibility or willpower of anyone that strips for a living.
    2) It's motives are clearly to simply darken the reputation of stripclubs for the given region.
    3) It makes NO effort to help or provide ways to correct the problem of sex-trade trafficking.

    Immigrant trafficking for deliberate sex-industry/prostitution have a NUMBER of ways to get out of this cycle in most recent years. Most common instances of Russian trafficked women are perfect candidates for falling under recent protection laws and visas to ensure asylum and removal from their traffickers.

    T-1 Visas are almost a "sure thing" for Russian women in these cycles. They are fast, easy, rarely questioned and grant the individual requesting an instant Visa and ability to obtain resident status under this Visa in 3 years. As most Russian trafficked women do not have family "hostage" back home (unlike a LOT of Asian/Polynesian trafficked women), this makes the T-1 Visas perfect for them.

    Hell, there are online services now that for around $500 total, a T-1 Visa can be processed. obtained with all legal fees for such victims in a matter of days.
    http://www.visapro.com/T1-Visa/T1-Visa.asp

    I find such agenda-laden propaganda like this article neglectful and intolerable as it only seeks to blemish or taint wrongful recepients by falsely identifying with something most people can empathize with. The fact the article is completely devoid of any information or direction for the solutions marks it clearly as serving no other purpose.

    Yes, trafficking of young Russian women into stripclubs and prostitution IS a problem on both the west and east coast... it's just very sad that voice is granted to be used to push pro-conservative agenda rather than spreading methods to help solve the problem.
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    This isnt new to our industry im afraid.
    If your in Fla,its cubans.If your in Texas,its latino's.If your in europe or the far east,its white americans,usually blondes with great boobs.
    I have seen these groups flood into towns across the world.They all but take over the industry in the area.They will shoot your ass down without batting an eye if you get in their way.Outside of the states its a really bad situation,its best just to leave and find another town to make money.In the states its easy to break up,thank god we have some laws inforced!Evem a lone dancer or dj can place a call to the police ,abc,or INS and things will start to happen.

    I would like to point out one great statement made in the artical(thanks for posting it BTW)

    "They're going to use you like condoms and throw you away."

    This industry will,if you let it.And this isnt the only pothole entertainers fall into.
    Enter into this with a goal.Maximize your earnings potential on a daily basis.Retire into "life"at 25-35 with enough capital to furnish your goal.
    Good luck ladies,it can and is done everyday in our industry.

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    PanDah- It might be Frank's but I haven't been there
    in years. It is definitely NOT Delilah's where btw they've
    dumped almost all of their Russian dancers.
    Melonie- As usual, you've done an excellent job
    explaining the "worst case scenario" regarding the other side of the coin BUT respectfully how can dancers,
    American dancers expect to have their cake and eat it.
    Big Green is on target. In Fla. it's Latinas from Cuba
    and the D.R. together with Brazilians who are supposedly driving down prices and increasing mileage
    expectations; In Texas & California it's Mexicans &
    Central Americans; In the Tri-State it's Russians &
    Brazilians. It seems to me it is mostly the fault of
    greedy club-owners who hire these women in the first place and sometimes make deals with " agencies " to
    keep them supplied.
    Obviously, it's not a healthy thing for the clubs or the dancers for the F.B.I. and I.R.S. to be sniffing around
    but in some cases they probably will and in others probable cause will be lacking. I know of a few clubs that have little to nothing to worry about because
    they never had "illegals" working there.

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