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    ok so ive only worked in my club and apprently its not the best club to work in, in terms of customers.

    they dont hav money and the majority of them come in and try and take the piss out of the dancers.

    apparently, strip clubs hav lost their glamour and fantasy, the guys know we're only there for money and they try and mess around with us.

    if i think a guy is good looking, i will tell him, but they just go "oh, youre only saying that cos its your job". where is the fantasy in that?

    wen we ask for dances we get "im just here for a drink", "im not into lapdancing", im just here for the stage show" (they dont tip us while on stage).

    so all the girls end up walking around all night, not making money despite the club being full of men. the men are just not buying. they all seem to be arseholes who think its funny to be in a place where beautiful women are asking for their attention.

    how do we get around this? everyone is having such a bad time at work. im in so much financial poo that i end up in tears at work most nights cos no one is having any luck with the men. theyre just there to hav a drink and feel mucho by saying no to pretty girls.

    somebody please help us!
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    is it british men, or men in general?
    "Sex is currency. What's the use of being beautiful if you can't profit from it?" - Lily St Cyr (40's burlesque dancer)

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    that sounds like the weekend crowd at my club....the weekdays are better for me. Fewer men, but they understand the dynamic a little better.

    I heard Europeans don't tip either....not customary, so that might have something to do with it.

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    Just FYI it's rude to tip a bartender in England. How bizarre is that?

    I don't care what I'm doing, if someone wants to tip me, I don't turn down free money.

    But as far as your problem goes I have two suggestions (but neither of them will work) 1. become friends with some of the guys so hopefully they will want to spend more time with you in the lapdance area or 2. don't talk to any of the regular guys that don't tip. don't give them the pleasure of turning you down.

    that's the best I have. sorry. Find another club, if it's really that bad.

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    er, ive never known it to be rude to tip a bar tender in england. its rude NOT to tip a bartender in england! hahaha!

    i guess im looking for advice on how to get around the general attitude that the men who attend our club hav.
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    I wish I knew...I'd be rich

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    change clubs! maybe guys have created this unknown word of mouth that they dont have to spend money there if they dont want to.

    at our club we have some guys that will purposely stand against the wall with a beer in their hand and just watch the stage even when there are plenty of seats to be filled. these guys are totally rude and are usually booted out. i know one regular customer that will tip u once during the nite and then hell tell u to go away (how rude!). all the ladies know about him so we just ignore him. whats the point in going to a strip club if you arent going to tip the dancers? that what a regular bar is for!

    i thought Voodoos tip was good... make friends with them and mingle. if anything change clubs.

    now why on earth is it rude to tip bartenders in the UK?? anyone know the logic behind this one?
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    When they say no to a dance do you just walk away ? If you do then you are just proving them right ! Ask them if you can join them for a drink or just to talk find out what there fantasy is . Clearly blowing smoke up their ass isn't working . Times have changed , I find that I make money by looking really classy and then just being myself . I laugh . if I am in the mood for a beer i'll have one it doesn't always have to wine ya know . If they talk to much tell them to shut up say " shut up let me finish my story " but of course be joking your not trying to be rude . I guess what I am trying to say is treat them like your friends and they will be your friends , treat them like the man of your dreams and so on they will respond I promise . Everyone is lacking something in thier life I try to find and fill it at that moment . Alot of peoplle don't know how to listen so they need someone to talk to . Well Good luck anyways and worst comes to worst go elsewhere xoxoxo

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    yes, 'blowing smoke up their ass' as was so finely noted here heh heh is NOT going to work almost anywhere!

    Same goes when they do the same to us tell us we are attractive, ya ya ya the last six guys said that - and it didnt mean anything then either - kind of thing.

    The most important thing in your wardrobe to wear and it matches everything and by wearing it you are never overdressed - is your SMILE.

    Dont hit the floor wearing the angst of being as broke as a joke they can feel smell and taste that cloak of anxiety and it is quite the repellant!

    Try to leave that in your locker and come out thinking it would be nice to socialize, talk with customers the same way you would a brand new friend or acquaintance - they know why you are there, you know why they are there, no one need push the issue, so try to rein in the pushy sales, and work on a real connection with a customer, if he legitimately likes you and or your style he will ante up a dance or two or a tip or two - but if he aint spending he aint spending - you cant MAKE anyone spend and you cant guilt them into it or anger them into it or shame them into it - they will give it when they damn well please so I found that the best policy is to make that connection - try not to be so obviousand or desperate in approach or commentary - try to just be a pretty girl that is friendly AND a dancer - its a pretty good formula.

    The boys are wise to the game so try a night or too of dropping the game and be just a happy pretty girl - be great company, it may pay off?

    And if what you are doing isnt paying off then in trying this you have nothing to lose.

    Good money luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEIGH_LANDON link=board=27;threadid=10246;start=msg124390#msg12 4390 date=1087580980
    The most important thing in your wardrobe to wear and it matches everything and by wearing it you are never overdressed - is your SMILE.
    wow that is a totally sweet! SMILE
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    Project your presence. You are classy and beautiful and talented and worth the $$ to spend time with. When you sit down, don't act like a broke stripper, act like the classy expensive woman that you are. Have a couple drinks and a nice conversation, then say that you'd love to dance for them right now. 90% of them will respond to whatever you project.



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    I'd have to agree with Lena...I know that when I've done sales jobs, there's always somebody who has a great night every night, and it's always attitude...I could go over their same list and not make a quarter of what they do...and I'm not so sure Voodoo's suggestions wouldn't work...if a girl who spends time with me is having a bad night, I'll easily forgo my regular dancer who is making money to help her out...it's not like i'm not getting something out of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lena link=board=27;threadid=10246;start=msg124399#msg12 4399 date=1087581949

    Project your presence. You are classy and beautiful and talented and worth the $$ to spend time with. When you sit down, don't act like a broke stripper, act like the classy expensive woman that you are. Have a couple drinks and a nice conversation, then say that you'd love to dance for them right now. 90% of them will respond to whatever you project.
    Absolutely! Whenever I hear of a club full of guys who "aren't spending" what I am reading between the lines is that there is a room full of guys who aren't being sold properly to. I never have and never will buy the "the room doesn't have money in it" excuse. Like the old addage says, they don't walk on the lot unless they are willing to buy. Of course there are always exceptions to this (the guys who just want to watch the football game, watch a few dancers and nurse a beer) but they are the exeptions to the rule. Anyone who has worked in sales (and done well at it) will tell you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voodoo link=board=27;threadid=10246;start=msg124358#msg12 4358 date=1087577882
    Just FYI it's rude to tip a bartender in England. How bizarre is that?
    Just FYI that is aload of BS.

    21stcenturyfox ~
    Im afraid i haven't started dancing yet so i cant really offer any advice but to answer your question, i personally think that it aslo has something to do with british "blokes". I suppose that is also do with the type of club that you work in, but i have worked as a hostess in upscale gentlemens clubs, where they have strippers also, and even with the older richer men, its hard to get them to part with their cash.... its as if they are there for a free show.

    The majority of British men ( esp the younger ones ) only seem to be about having a "lads" night out, getting "pissed" and "pulling birds" imo lol.... and i definitely agree with you, when you say that SC's have lost their glamour and fantasy. This is the reason why i wont even bother the with SC's in London, when i start.... i plan on working in Paris.

    Maybe you could try working in Paris or europe.

    Best of luck to you hun.

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    Some guys just don't buy dances, and there's nothing you can do to talk them into one. Other guys need a couple drinks to loosen up first. If a guy seems shy, sit and have a drink or two with him (it doesn't have to be alcohol), and then ask for a dance. I've found that some guys are a lot more agreeable to getting a dance after having a couple of drinks. For the first couple hours of my shift, I have a hard time selling dances because it's early and the guys don't have enough liquid courage in them. At the end of my shift when many of the guys are drunk, it's a lot easier for me to sell dances.

    How are you approaching these guys? Don't ask for the dance right away, and don't ask for a dance right when the guy arrives at the club. Many times the guy will say that he just got there and he wants to relax first. I usually sit and chat with a guy for one or two songs (sometimes three songs, but that's only if the club is really dead and there's no other available customers to approach), and then I ask for the dance.

    If the guys at your club consistently aren't buying dances, maybe it's not you, it's the club you are at. If you are trying your hardest and guys still aren't buying dances, I'd move on to another club.






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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stcenturyfox link=board=27;threadid=10246;start=msg124366#msg12 4366 date=1087578576
    er, ive never known it to be rude to tip a bar tender in england. its rude NOT to tip a bartender in england! hahaha!
    oh i read it in playboy or maxium a long time ago. it might have been a different country or something.... could've swore it was england.

    hehehehe
    my bad

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    thanks for the advice girls. the point is not about how i ask for dances. im doing all that you suggest. the point is that 99% of the men who come into our club are there for a free show and they say no to ALL of the girls. all of the girls are complaining.

    i guess i will try another club, which is sad, cos i like it where i am. the girls are all friends and the staff are friendly and supportive, im not sure i can find that in another club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily link=board=27;threadid=10246;start=msg124337#msg12 4337 date=1087573838
    that sounds like the weekend crowd at my club....the weekdays are better for me. Fewer men, but they understand the dynamic a little better.
    Holy Crap Emily... I thought it was just my area- I do better on weekday nights than on the weekends-hands down. I attract older men for some reason anyways, and the younger crowd gets on my nerves really quickly.

    But 21stCentury, I'm not sure what to tell you, I wouldn't know what to do if this were the case in my club, I'd probably find a new club to work at. I mean, I understand men who come in for beer, the game or whatever, but to not tip or get ANY dances at all? I've seen some pretty bad nights in my day but nothing like you describe.

    I'm sorry Hon.. I wish I had something better to tell you.


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    I realize you're all there to make money...but I've gone into clubs simply to have a drink as well. This makes me an arsehole?

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    I didn't realise you were in England - I was hoping to go back over there to work this year, now I'm really having doubts!
    I've worked with alot of English girls here and some of them have said simular things; that English men don't really tip, tend not to get private / lap dances and the clubs are quite different to here. One girl tells me that the phraze, 'No sex please, we're British' really fits and that the dancers in the club where she worked wear much less revealing clothing than we do here and don't have the freedom to dance quite so sexilly as we do here, which would just kill me, lol! It sounded really strange how she was explaining it!!!
    On the other hand though other girls say they've worked in clubs where the money is mad! Certainly where I work in Sydney we get alot of British people come in and they do tip and pay for private shows. Alot of my customers are English. Whether British people just feel more comfortable when they're holidaying here or whether you're just in a dud club, I don't know, but it probably wouldn't hurt to check out other clubs. The first club I worked in was simular to the 1 where you are. Before I left I discovered that part of the reason I was hardly making $ was that the other dancers were bitching about me to the customers. (I accidentally overheard them 4 times in my last week there, and these were people who were always really friendly to my face!) So be on-guard, that could be happening...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21stcenturyfox link=board=27;threadid=10246;start=msg125381#msg12 5381 date=1087767549
    the point is that 99% of the men who come into our club are there for a free show and they say no to ALL of the girls. all of the girls are complaining.
    does the club promote the lap dances by offering periodic 2 for 1 specials? Is the DJ high energy and does he constantly push for the guys to buy dances? Is there an ATM machine on the premises or in very close proximity?

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    haha aussiepunkshocker we posted at exactly the same time


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    Nooo no no, I wouldn't go in for just a drink and stay all night. Even if I tried to, one drink would turn into 8 and then my wallet magically opens up.

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    *waving magic fingers* OPEN SESAME!

    *sigh* if only it really were that simple.


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    I worked at Spearmint Rhino almost 2 years ago and I've heard that things have gone downhill a lot in London clubs since then.

    Unfortunately, guys can sense it when we're in a foul mood and bad juju from a cheap crowd can spread like a virus.

    I have to agree with DancerWealth that if the room is packed there HAVE to be a few guys there willing to buy, just by law of averages at least.

    You can't just take no for an answer especially the first time. If a guy is still checking you out while saying no, do what I do that often works: stroke his hair and give him a little smile and say, "it's been a while since you treated yourself, right sweetie?"

    Just be cute and charming even if you feel lik crap. I know it's hard when the club's money is down, but just try it for a few nights and see how it goes.
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