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    Maybe this is a post for the $ den-I'm not sure.I was thinking of all the times a customer asked me to do a dance for less than the price.I always decline.I know there are girls that take whatever is offered.I am just wondering if I am doinf the right thing.If a guy didn't have that much $ I am a decent person and would do it,But I don't because if he tells all his friends,or thinks it would be that price all the time.And there's no way I would remember all the faces to say "no-I did that for you last time as a once only deal."
    What do you all say?

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    I say "no thank you"

    because there is someone out there willing to pay full price and you don't want to compromise the value of our dances!

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    Say no. You are not being fair to yourself and you are not being fair to the other girls. Besides how do you know that's all the money he has got? Most clubs have an atm nearby or take credit cards. If he wants it that bad he will pay.

    Kinda funny, I ran into a guy like that tonight. His angle was telling me "well that girl gave my friend here 3 dances for $30" I told him well if she did that is her own business but honestly we do not set the prices for the dances, the club sets the price. I like my job and I don't want to get fired for offering lower prices. It is $15/song and that is it! If you have $30 we can do 2 dances. That's not too much to have me completely naked and we're both having fun. He tried to bargain with me more. "well how about 2 for $25?" I stuck to my guns and his friend gave him the extra $5.

    We're here to make money not offer blue light specials!

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    I always say no in these situations. I like to think that I am worth every penny for that dance, plus the club I work at fires ladies for underpricing their dances. Just not a good idea. If they dont have that much money than why are they in a club in the first place?
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    My response was similiar to the previous ones.

    By underselling you are ripping yourself off... you are selling yourself short and undervalu-ing yourself. Why would you want to do that? I personally am worth every dollar.

    Know your worth and do not under-sell. You will only make enemies that way or else get fired. The 'victory' is a short lived one. It isn't worth it.

    Make them realise you are quality and if they want quality ...they have to pay for it.


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    Default Re:Underselling

    In clubs where prices are 'fixed' by club management, underselling can be a serious problem for the club and for other dancers. However, in those clubs which allow dancers to set their own prices (as true Independent Contractors are legally entitled to do), it's up to each girl to work out her own "effort versus earnings" equation.

    Just to give you an example of how 'dangerous' the concept of underselling can be, consider Toronto clubs last summer. Due to the SARS scare and the strengthening canadian dollar, club customer count was way off and those who did come in were not in a spending mood. With dancer earnings potential falling, a couple of clubs tried lowering their private dance price from CDN$20 to CDN$10 to attract more business, which was effective initially. But once other clubs started losing customers, they also were forced to lower their private dance price to CDN$10. Within a month all dances in Toronto were going for CDN$10, and all dancers were working almost twice as hard yet earning even less money than before prices fell. It apparently took an organized city-wide effort by all clubs and all dancers to restore the $20 dance price.

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    Most clubs set the price...a lot of girls have been fired for undercutting. It doesn't mean that it doesn't happen...because it does...but you are risking your job as you never know who is "asking". There are some guys that come in and say, "well, last time I was here, I paid $20 for 2 dances." "OH! You must have gotten a 2-4-1 dance! Those are offered throughout the night...but otherwise, it's $20 a dance."

    If they say that they don't have enough money, then pitch them the funny money scenario...or remind them that you have a cash station.

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    Yeah underselling is a bad idea all around. A lot of guys will claim they got a cutrate price from dancer so-and-so just as another bargaining tactic, it doesn't mean at all that any girl actually gave them the cutrate dance.

    I've had guys try to bargain with me many many times and it just does not fly. The price is the price. I don't ask them for extra money and by the same token they ought to pay me the courtesy of not trying to haggle.

    Finally and most importantly, anytime a girl does a cutrate dance she is effectively lowering the market value of her dances, and everyone else's in the club. Customers will always pay as little as they can get away with, so if they see they can get away with paying $10 instead of $20 for example, they will then try to for $5 instead of $10 and so forth. Underselling just makes it harder for all of us to make money in the long run.

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    A strip club is not an Arabian bazzar. Haggling is damn tacky. Surely there will be other customers that will not hesitate to pay the going rate and tip accordingly.

    And we're not even talking that much money here, folks. It's not like you're buying a house or something.

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    If you charge a fair price, there's no need to haggle. I get hit up for discounts now and then, and I don't even work in a strip club. I tell them no, it's fair. If they say they can go somewhere else for cheaper, I tell them they're free to go somewhere else. I'd rather work hourly at fast food than work at undervaluing my services.

    I had a dancer approach me and whisper, "It's a little slow, so if you want dances from me, I'll give you 2-for-1s." I'd never heard that in the club before, and I wasn't impressed. I assumed there was a reason she was selling low, and I didn't take her up on it.



    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=27;threadid=10345;start=msg126173#msg12 6173 date=1087899242
    However, in those clubs which allow dancers to set their own prices (as true Independent Contractors are legally entitled to do)
    Thank you, Melonie, for one more point in my ongoing IC/not-IC rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=27;threadid=10345;start=msg126222#msg12 6222 date=1087914314

    Finally and most importantly, anytime a girl does a cutrate dance she is effectively lowering the market value of her dances, and everyone else's in the club. Customers will always pay as little as they can get away with, so if they see they can get away with paying $10 instead of $20 for example, they will then try to for $5 instead of $10 and so forth. Underselling just makes it harder for all of us to make money in the long run.
    You nailed it Bridgette. It's the same reason why "extra" work is such a problem right now. A few girls in a club do it and get away with it, then a few more then a few more. The next thing you know, all the customers expect it.

    As someone else mentioned too, there is always an ATM machine and I almost never believe it when a cutomer tells me (in any selling environment) that they don't have the money. It's the easiest excuse for most people, so they use it all the time. When a guy walks in the door of a gentlemen's club, he's looking at doing only one of two things. The first is to just be a troll...watch sports on the TV, have a drink, etc. The other person comes in wanting to have fun. In a club, fun=money. It's the reality of life and 99% of guys walking in the club know it. They understand that to have fun (i.e. sit at the stage, have floor dances, or go to the VIP room) it is going to cost them some money. They know it no matter how much they say to the contrary, and when a guy says he doesn't have any money or access to money, he's lying. You'll always get some deadbeats from time to time, but the majority of guys know they have to spend a few bucks to have some fun from a dancer and they walk in the club knowing that. It's the same BS answer that someone would have while looking for cars in the Mercedes Benz dealership. If the customer there says he doesn't have enough money to buy one, he's probably lying or he wouldn't be there in the first place. He knows how much the cars cost just the same way that a customer knows that to get a dance from you costs $20.

    Here's a tip though. If a customer keeps harrassing you to drop your prices. Tell him that you'll give him a dance two for the price of one. Since you are far and away the best dancer in the club, you do charge more, so each dance is $40.00. Tell him he's getting a bargain at 2-for-1!

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    Never undersell yourself. All that customer is trying to get something for less. I have been to a lot of strip clubs and I know that you deserve the full amount, if not more. There are the jerks out there who want to take advantage of you becasue of what you do. I make it a standard that after the dance I tip a little extra. It takes a lot of work to do what you do and I for appreciate it. Take care and be safe.

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    This is a very interesting business and operations issue. Most places have taken a very hard line on any dancer cutting a table dance price down from whatever the market is. For example DT Chicago appears to be $20 market for a table side or "private dance." Atlanta is $10 which is a good value but is an air dance. Some markets appear to be $15.

    What I have seen "cut" is Vip room fees. Certainly most would agree that a day shift fee is less than a night shift fee.

    How the fee is done is interesting. For some there is a house fee
    per hour that most dancers forget to tell the customer. The house is hour feel is collected by the hosue and never varies. You might get a deal on it if you buy a club card or whatever the club calls it for marketing reasons.

    The dancer fee per hour I have seen cut sometimes at night and seems to vary by dancer. Certain dancers do not cut their fees and that is probably wise. They may offer a break now and then to a regular.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl link=board=27;threadid=10345;start=msg126152#msg12 6152 date=1087896148

    By underselling you are ripping yourself off... you are selling yourself short and undervalu-ing yourself.
    Exactly!

    Something else to remember is: The type of customer who asks for discounts is also often the same type who will ignore contact rules or have conveniently "lost" their wallet when it comes time to pay. They enjoy disrespecting women. It's why this type go to clubs in the first place. You don't want to encourage them or waste your valuable time with these JERKS.

    The only time it is not inappropriate to give a discount is as a thankyou to a regular who spends on you often, Even then it should be at the end of a set of dances. Really it's a gift, not a discount-- Kind of like the free gift that comes with the expensive makeup package at Macy's

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    Never undermine yourself. You are perfectly correct in saying no.

    I however will use a different approach sometimes when someone asks me, "hey, is that dance special still good?" We will run three for 20's... sometimes they will miss a special because they just got there, wanted to have a drink or two and check everyone out.. in that case, I will usually honor the special for them, and I usually get another two rounds of dances out of them for regular price.


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    At my club, guys are notorious for asking for $10 dances and they expect alot! They ask everyone, you know, just in case someone says yes.

    Personally, I never turn down money, they just get a ten dollar dance. I'm two feet away, they see nothing, they touch nothing. Then I ask, do you want a regular priced danced? They usually say yes!

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    I was approached by a dancer at the Dollhouse in Columbus who said to me
    "For $10 I'll show you what I can do...for $20 I'll be bad....for $40 I'll be very naughty." That approach worked very well. Those were the clubs different types of dances (the more you paid the more private it was.) Granted, after she was done, she offered to prostitute herself out to me. (I declined, before anyone asks.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie Blanchard link=board=27;threadid=10345;start=msg126413#msg12 6413 date=1087935432
    Personally, I never turn down money, they just get a ten dollar dance. I'm two feet away, they see nothing, they touch nothing. Then I ask, do you want a regular priced danced? They usually say yes!
    Thats a very good point. Our club has set prices for lapdances ($20) so it most likely cost me my job to try this. But I think its definitely something to keep in mind.
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    I came up with a response to asking if there's a special/discount on the dance.... Unfortuneatly I haven't been able to use it. If and when someone asks me for a discount I'm going to tell them I'll give them seven dances for $100.00. At $15.00 a dance it is technically a discount, and it's still worth my time if they decide that they can "come up with the money."
    I have on occasion (mostly when I first saw it) taken five dollars off if they buy 3 or more dances because honestly in my club you really might not find another buyer. I would NEVER stand for someone telling me that they got a deal the last time they came in ("Wow, you really lucked out. Too bad such-and-such isn't here right now."), or if they say that such-and-such gave me a dance for this amount I say that "you get what you pay for" or "I'm sure it would be worth the extra {amount of} dollars to see what a dance would be like with me."

    If a guy is really shadey about it, I definately won't put up with it. Rude guy asks for a dance? Best thing to do is raise the price of the dance. "Sure, I'll give you three for $60.00" That way it's actually worth your time to spend fifteen minutes with the prick. Odds are he'll get upset and go to another girl. That's fine he can go make another girl feel cheap.

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    yeah I don't see anything wrong with underselling a large number of consecutive dances that works out to a tiny discount. Fuck that 1/2 off only one song shit. Girls should never take whatever the customer offers. And never feel bad and do a discount dance anyhow because he doesn't have alot of money. If I know he's broke I avoid him or let him see my backside walking away. He could very well be preventing me from connecting with Mr. Big Bucks.


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    I say no as well. I think everyone else has illustrated my points.

    The one time that I saw a girl do it where I thought it was semi ok was when the guy went back to do a dance with one dancer and the song was about 3/4 over, she got the money up front, danced for about 10 seconds and then up and left saying the song was over. The poor guy was scammed outta $20 for a 10 second dance, he got a dance from another dancer who said she'd make up for the other girls f-up, she did a 2 for 1 to start off with and that guy apparently had money to spend cuz he was with her all night after that for full price dances.


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    On the other hand, more than one dancer has won my loyalty by, among other things, stretching her dances out without charging me full price.

    This goes along with my business philosophy as well. If someone flat-out asks me for a discount, my answer is no. However, if a client is treating me right and making me happy he's a client, I might very well treat him nicely to reward him and keep him coming back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=27;threadid=10345;start=msg126654#msg12 6654 date=1087961005
    On the other hand, more than one dancer has won my loyalty by, among other things, stretching her dances out without charging me full price.

    This goes along with my business philosophy as well. If someone flat-out asks me for a discount, my answer is no. However, if a client is treating me right and making me happy he's a client, I might very well treat him nicely to reward him and keep him coming back.
    I do this for the guys that are spending money and are buying dances consecutively. For $20, I'll dance for a song and a half (so the floor guys see me quit before the end of the 2nd song...won't get recorded as doing 2 dances). For anyone else, they just get the one song. It's worked well, and I think its good "marketing".

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    When guys ask for discounts, I always tell them something like, "Its XXX of dollars for an hour of unlimited dances in the VIP area." Of course, setting the price of that hour at the club's minimum.

    If they try to haggle and spend less than the regular price for ONE stupid dance, then I just get up and walk away. There are too many customers always walking into the door in this business who are willing to pay full price for a dance. Why waste my time with someone who is going cause me to ultimately lose money?

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