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    I know that the "one-day" DON"T BUY GAS boycott
    fell flatter than a pancake BUT I was recently E-mailed
    a much better idea to protest high gas prices that actually has a chance of working. DON"T buy gas from
    Exxon-Mobil. They are the largest petroleum co. in the
    U.S. and if enough people stop buying gasoline from them, they'll be forced to lower their prices which will in turn force their competitors to follow suit.
    So if each reader will stop buying gas from Exxon- Mobil
    AND E-mail just 10 other people and ask them to
    BOTH boycott Exxon-Mobil AND pass the word to 10 other people and so on, and so on it just might have a chance of having some impact.
    Well, I think it's a good idea; I've e-mailed 10 people.
    If each reader does the same. Who knows?

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    Ugh.. It's a shame that one fell apart, I even needed gas that day, and didn't buy it.. LOL..

    I've gotten the same new email from a bunch of my lists though. Hopefully this one will work.

    What's strange, is that I went to get gas yesterday, and the price had dropped (3 whole cents! whew!). I'm sure it'll go right back up within a day or two though. Blah.

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    Well, here the gas was $2.30 a gallon. It is now down to $1.96. And that drop was within, about, 1 weekend. Greedy bastards. I like summer, I save gas by riding my bike with my daughter everywhere (to playgroups, etc). Have to take the car shopping, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Kid link=board=27;threadid=10390;start=msg126942#msg12 6942 date=1088013253
    I know that the "one-day" DON"T BUY GAS boycott
    fell flatter than a pancake
    They're still doing that, or does that old chain letter still have legs?

    BUT I was recently E-mailed
    a much better idea to protest high gas prices that actually has a chance of working. DON"T buy gas from
    Exxon-Mobil. They are the largest petroleum co. in the
    U.S. and if enough people stop buying gasoline from them, they'll be forced to lower their prices which will in turn force their competitors to follow suit.
    Sure it will. And as every chain letter ends (boldface emphasis by me)...

    So if each reader will stop buying gas from Exxon- Mobil
    AND E-mail just 10 other people and ask them to
    BOTH boycott Exxon-Mobil AND pass the word to 10 other people and so on, and so on it just might have a chance of having some impact.

    Well, I think it's a good idea; I've e-mailed 10 people.
    If each reader does the same. Who knows?
    You're wasting your time, and you might want to read the following:

    http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/exxon.html
    http://urbanlegends.about.com/librar...ycott_2004.htm
    http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/petition/gasout.htm

    This boycott is utterly pointless. Buy gas (any brand you want) on whatever day you need it. Drive a fuel efficient vehicle and cut out unneccesary trips in your car like millions of us have been already doing since gas hit $2/gallon. That'll do a hell of a lot more to lower gas prices than some silly boycott targeting a certain day or a certain brand of gasoline.

    It's come down 30 cents a gallon here in the past couple weeks alone, probably in some part to people going on a personal fuel rationing program, no chain letter needed. Supply and demand is a beautiful thing sometimes.
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    I've been boycotting! LOL Here in NJ gas prices are just as bad. It has gone down to $1.99 for most gas stations. Gulf is at $1.88 and it seems everyone in my area is going out of their way to get gas at the Golf stations.

    My brother told me that some people get gas and when it comes time to pay they just drive off. I'm all for boycotting but not when it gets you into trouble... some people are real idiots LOL.

    Ive definitely been boycotting Exxon/Mobil and plan to continue that. Last September we were at $1.37 and then it sky-rocketed. I'm hoping gas prices will become reasonable again.
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    Thank god Doc got to this thread before I did...

    The authors of chain letters such as these have apparently never run their ideas by an economist... even in Econ 1002 we learned that this sort of thing won't work...

    By the way, shouldn't this be moved to General Chat instead of Stripping General?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisces3x3 link=board=27;threadid=10390;start=msg127114#msg12 7114 date=1088033595
    I've been boycotting! LOL Here in NJ gas prices are just as bad. It has gone down to $1.99 for most gas stations. Gulf is at $1.88 and it seems everyone in my area is going out of their way to get gas at the Golf stations.

    My brother told me that some people get gas and when it comes time to pay they just drive off. I'm all for boycotting but not when it gets you into trouble... some people are real idiots LOL.

    Ive definitely been boycotting Exxon/Mobil and plan to continue that. Last September we were at $1.37 and then it sky-rocketed. I'm hoping gas prices will become reasonable again.
    LOL Driving off? Damn.. I wouldn't take it that far.. heh..
    Well, as I mentioned before, the gas station down by me was down to $1.99 (Unleaded), but I guess it was temporary. It is back up to $2.08. That's only since yesterday. Gotta love it...

    While I agree, this should have been in the General board, if Pryce sees fit, he'll move it over there.

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    as a full time consultant for sustainability organizations (some of which are environmental) I can tell you the best thing to do is DRIVE LESS and GET MORE EFFICIENT VEHICLES.

    SUV's that get "10% more" don't count - unless you need the big vehicle for some reason (I feel safer isn't really good, simply because you AREN't Safer)

    the boycott is an "environut" solution the way tofu turkeys are PETA's way of getting us motivated. Nice for PR and might make people think...but in the long run they don't work.


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    As it relates to terrorism: GASOLINE SOLUTION!

    We CAN buy gasoline that is not from the Middle East. Gas
    rationing in the 80's worked even though we grumbled about it. It
    might even be good for us!

    The Saudis are boycotting American goods. We should return the
    favor.

    An interesting thought is to boycott their GAS. Every time you
    fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers
    of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their
    oil from the Saudis.

    Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I
    fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to
    kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be
    interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy
    gas from and which major companies import Middle Eastern oil.

    Shell............................205,742,000 barrels

    Chevron/Texaco.........144,332,000 barrels

    Exxon /Mobil................130,082,000 barrels

    Marathon/Speedway...117,740,000 barrels

    Amoco.........................62,231,000 barrels

    If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over
    $18 BILLION! I think it is up to $40 /barrel now!!! THINK ABOUT
    IT!!

    Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern
    oil:

    Citgo....................0 barrels

    Sunoco............. .0 barrels

    Conoco............. ..0 barrels

    Sinclair............... 0 barrels

    BP/Phillips.......... 0 barrels

    Hess...................0 barrels

    All of this information is available from the Department of Energy
    and each is required to state where they get their oil and how much
    they are importing. They report on a monthly basis. Keep this
    list in your car; share it with friends. Stop paying for
    terrorism.............

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    Heh.. Thanks for that info, DD...

    For some reason, I've always either gone to Hess or Citgo. Now, it's all the more reason.

    I personally hate SUVs. I hate driving behind them, hate the way they look, etc...

    I'm happy with my little Ford Taurus.

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    Rhi Im with ya on the SUVs... I call em "road hogs" LOL. They are NOT evironmentally friendly which is the main reason why I would never get one. They have some good things about them too but I personally would never drive one.

    Discetedancer do you happen to have the link to these reports? Thank you so much for sharing that information... guess where Im not getting gas anymore hahhaa.

    I would like to report $1.97 down my street at the Mobil.
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    I drive two hours to work and I still hope it goes to at least $5 a gallon.

    Lowering the price of oil is only going to temporarily solve the problem. But if we RAISE the prices, we'll be forced to become less dependant on it, thereby making more of a long-term solution!

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    I'm not in the office till Monday, but I will get those reports from my friend.

    he runs www.practicalenvironmentalism.org (a volunteer driven site..care to help) and www.pwpllc.com - dedicates his whole life to these causes.

    by the way, we're the country with the lowest gas prices, we spend the MOST to "defend" these resources (we've put in and taken out more middle east dictators than I can name) and still we cry about prices....send on the $10 gas, my car (diesel) can run on used veggie oil!

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    Carpool.

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    I think some of the critics to this idea are confusing
    SHORT TERM and LONG TERM solutions. Clearly, in the
    long term we will have to drive less in MUCH more fuel
    efficient vehicles.
    For the short term, why wouldn't it have an impact ?
    What would Exxon-Mobil do with all that unsold
    gasoline? Why wouldn't they reduce the price ?
    I suppose they could try to re-sell it to other oil companies BUT why would other companies
    necessarily buy it; esspecially if not buying it would
    hurt their competition ?
    BTW- let me join in thanking Discrete Dancer for posting that list. I've been buying almost exclusively from Hess
    & Sunoco anyway.

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    We have a "small" SUV for bad weather (Colorado/Wyoming) and bad roads and riding comfortably. Sorry, guys. 29 mpg highway, measured on the last trip.

    We have a "compact" car for routine trips around and out of town. 35 mpg combined.

    We have a motorcycle for fun and gas conservation. I haven't measured the mpg. Probably 40.

    Thanks also to Discrete Dancer for the list. I usually do Conoco/Sinclair/Citgo. Nice to get affirmation for THAT much. I don't mean to sound insulting, but where'd the list come from? Is it accurate?

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    i already go to hess almost exclusively. awesome!!! thanks for that list discretedancer

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    Doc-Catfish- thanks for the links. I read what they had to say and I understand the points they're making
    but So What ? Let's assume you could get just a million
    drivers in the U.S. who regularly buy gas from Ex-Mo
    to stop doing so. Better yet, let's assume you can get them to patronize ONLY companies that do NOT import
    Saudi oil. Why would that NOT have any impact on price? On Exxon's prices and/or on Saudi prices ? How
    are oil companies immune from the laws of supply and demand ? What would Exxon do if 50% of it's gasoline
    inventory went unsold throughout the summer ? They can't drink it. They wouldn't give it away. They'd be
    forced to either store it or re-sell it; probably at a stiff
    discount OR REDUCE their price. Obviously, you think
    I'm missing some piece of the macro-economic puzzle
    so I'd appreciate your thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by discretedancer link=board=27;threadid=10390;start=msg127152#msg12 7152 date=1088037384

    the boycott is an "environut" solution the way tofu turkeys are PETA's way of getting us motivated. Nice for PR and might make people think...but in the long run they don't work.
    Granted we all know that a one day boycott won't fix all the gas problems, perhaps by even receiving the email a few more people will realize they need to watch their fuel consumption, then in my book something good has been done. Awareness is key.

    Didn't Shell just buy Chevron/Texaco? The owners of my local Texaco said they'd be closing for a few weeks to get the Shell stuff all sorted out and put up...?

    BTW, I love my tofurkey. Not only is it a healthy alternative to meat, it is absolutely delicious. Many of my friends are ravenous meat eaters, but on Tofurkey night, everyone is banging down my door!



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    Personally, I think someone should start a chain-email thingy with the info that DD posted. That'll open everyone's eyes, and hopefully they'll go to the non-imported companies as well.

    That could actually work.

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    Yes Shell just took over Texaco/Chevron. All the Texacos around here are being "converted" to Shell. As for SUVs for bad weather... I just have to disagree. I have a 98 Plymouth Neon, my brother has a 01 Dodge Neon and my friend has a 02 Dodge SXT Neon (basically we are Neon fanatics). These cars have no fear of snow. This winter I was litterally plowing through 2 feet of snow with my car. Im the only dumb moron who purposely takes theyre car out during a blizzard just to see what it can do. I take my car off-roading (which I shouldnt do) and there is really nothing this car hasnt been able to handle EXCEPT slush and mud. My car is very fuel efficient and the newer Neons are even more so. I think SUVs are overated when it comes to their driving capailities. If I can keep up with the pick-ups and SUVs going 65 in the fast lane during a snow storm and still have a fuel efficient car then why get an SUV?

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    Heh I agree, Pisces. My lil car braves the elements here just fine. As a matter of fact, I happen to blow right past the SUVs in the snow, because they seem to drive a little slow.

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    Rhi what kind of car do you have? Just curious to see what kinda cars are also "fearless against the elements". If its a Neon Im gonna cream myself LOL. Now I so have to change my sig hahah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pisces3x3 link=board=27;threadid=10390;start=msg127735#msg12 7735 date=1088135491
    Rhi what kind of car do you have? Just curious to see what kinda cars are also "fearless against the elements". If its a Neon Im gonna cream myself LOL. Now I so have to change my sig hahah.
    LOL I love neons, but unfortunately I don't have one.. We have a '96 Ford Escort (4 Dr).. It kicks serious butt.. heh

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    Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but a boycott wouldn't make ExxonMobil import less, simply refine less oil into gasoline--presuming a boycott actually affected consumption, which is a dubious prospect at best.

    So the amount of gasoline on the market would actually drop, and prices, yes, you guessed it, would actually go up.

    Email chain letters earn their reputation.

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