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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg130837#msg130 837 date=1088615522

    So, I am lost and fucked up in the head for supporting my country? Right...I may be a little extreme in my beliefs about 911 however, I see that you all seem to have forgotten that day.
    9/11 was a tragic event that effected many ppl AROUND THE WORLD. I am not an American citizen but my fiance is and my immediate family members are... My mother was on her NYC trip the day it happened, she was flying back from JFK that very day.... my uncles were trapped in NYC when the towers fell ( they work there ) it was one of the most frightning times of my life. I was all the way across the other side of the world, the phone lines were down, i knew my mum was expected to be at the JFK airport, i knew my uncles were working not to far from the towers ...but i was here, i was all by myself watching NYC get blown up on TV. Luckily i didn't loose any of my loved ones but i know ppl who did.... It was disturbing.

    However 9/11 has nothing to do with this. Irag had nothing to do with blowing up the twin towers.... so how you can use that to justify killing a whole nation, is beyond me.

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    Slander implies that the information is untrue. How can you (or anyone) debate this film as being untrue if you have not seen it? How do you know it's not true? Especially if you admit you are not well informed about the political issues involved. ???

    I suggest you see it and then research the things you feel are false and find out for yourself.

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    What do you mean "we did not want to " It is the top grossing documntary ever That seems like alot of support to me. Also as already mentioned Moore's description of Americans is EXACTLY how many non US persons see us .

    I'm glad you will study up though, I hope you will gain a better perspective of things from doing so.

    By the way also I thought the thing with Heston was over the top too but not the thing with Kmart.

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    oooooooo, remember the girl who had two degrees before? she was a smart one.

    my q to big d is, what schools do you have these degrees from? what type of degrees are they? and what is the major (and minors/concentrations if applicable) on each degree?

    so far i must say im quite impressed with your level of schooling. it certainly shows in your posts. your ability to quote the dictionary is impecable, so that all of us who are clueless as to the meaning of ignorance can see how it applies to you. well played!

    if age = wisdom and therefore is the only gauranteur of respect, does that mean that the older gentlemen in their 50s and 60s are the only ones whos opinions views matter? since the difference between 50 and 30 (20 years) is much greater than the difference between 30 and 20(10 years, for those who dont have atleast two degrees in advanced mathematics), would that mean that your opinion is completely invalid? or does the world revolve around you like it does me?

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    We are regularly viewed as one of the world greediest and most ignorant nations on earth
    Envy is a right bitch.
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

    William F. Buckley, Jr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg130966#msg130 966 date=1088632188
    We are regularly viewed as one of the world greediest and most ignorant nations on earth
    Envy is a right bitch.
    who are you calling a bitch :o

    your quote doesn't include the name of the person you are commenting to-- and I hardly think it's envy. Many europeans and Canadians see us that way and what would they be envious of ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLovesJazz link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg130623#msg130 623 date=1088566546
    Moore's description of Americans is on target to what many, many people outside the States think of Americans. I travel abroad almost monthly and can testify to that from personal experience.

    We are regularly viewed as one of the world greediest and most ignorant nations on earth
    I think that this is the quote that the Observer is referring to.
    Just here to live and learn.

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    thanks RCJ .

    His comment is out of line IMO . Jim has posted informative things and there is no reason to call him a bitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg130922#msg130 922 date=1088627875
    Ignorant is hardly a term that describes me AinNY. Coming from a 24 year old kid, character assaults on my statements carry little importance. However, I will accept being called bull-headed. As you all have tried to ram your beliefs down my Pro-Bush throat (ewwww...) I have in turn tried to do the same.
    Im not even going to respond to this...you make yourself look ignorant and dumb all on your own. I do not need to explain it for anyone...everyone sees it.

    Have a day

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    For those interested in the factual analysis of F9/11, a couple links from that paragon of GOP support, Newsweek:

    Under the Hot Lights
    Distortions

    All this from, Michael Isikoff, no less.

    His comment is out of line IMO . Jim has posted informative things and there is no reason to call him a bitch.
    No one is calling Jim a bitch. How did you possibly get that from the post?

    Envy, demonstrated by other nations (the implied indirect object of the sentence) toward the US, is the subject of the sentence. If I were to reduce myself to the level of ad hominem attacks that are becoming disturbingly prevalent here in this thread, I would have said, "Jim is an envious, right bitch."

    Many europeans and Canadians see us that way and what would they be envious of ?
    If you have to ask this question, you might want to start another thread on balance of power politics.
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg131044#msg131 044 date=1088641699
    No big movie producers wanted to produce this film is what I meant.

    KMart did not have anything to do with Columbine. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold murdered 11 kids, the bullets did not. My point is that he twists information to fit his agenda which was, through Columbine, gun control.
    oh lord, does everything have to spelled out 4 u like a kindergarden child...... u r WRONG about the production companies ! U really don't know squat about any of this do u ?

    The following come from http://www.cnn.com/2004/SHOWBIZ/Movi...box.office.ap/

    Conservative groups sought to discourage theaters from showing it


    Lions Gate and IFC came on board after Disney refused to let subsidiary Miramax release "Fahrenheit 9/11" because of its political content. Miramax bosses Harvey and Bob Weinstein bought back the film

    Republican groups tried to use CENSORSHIP

    the point the Kmart thing Big D is that anyone could buy as many bullets as they wanted from Kmart.... as in stock pile ammo in one single shopping trip ..... girl I swear for someone who says they have a degree and are in the top % of all educated Americans u sure come across as tremendously dense

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    No u don't get it..... u don't get any of this stuff, u have no clue about this movie and zero grasp about this war either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg131078#msg131 078 date=1088644922
    That is probably the first alliteration that you have made in years. It is as pointless as most of what you have said. When viewing a criticism you look to the source. When the source is irrelevant, so is the criticism.
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    I have two things to say to you Big D (and they are not meant to be mean). 1) learn how to use the quote feature. By not using it correctly, you make your posts hard to read. 2) Do you know what alliteration is? If so, where was it used, because my English Major (Magna Cum Laude) eyes must have missed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg130922#msg130 922 date=1088627875

    Main Entry: ig·no·rant
    Pronunciation: 'ig-n(&-)r&nt
    Function: adjective
    1 a : destitute of knowledge or education <an ignorant society>; also : lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified <parents ignorant of modern mathematics> b : resulting from or showing lack of knowledge or intelligence <ignorant errors>

    I may lack information about some political issues however, I have three degrees, one with honors.

    You are right Tigerlilly, I have no right to assertate that any girl on this board has any less of a life that I do.
    "ASSERTATE"??!!

    Where the hell did you get three degrees, and how did you get any "with honors"?

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    *applauds* Not only did you point out the unintentional alliteration (not that obvious, but all the more reason to give you credit), but you used the quote feature correctly too! Thanks darlin&#039;!

    See guys, she&#039;s educated!!! Give her a chance to say her piece and she does!
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    Quote Originally Posted by montythegeek link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg130620#msg130 620 date=1088565862
    That quote sure sounds like bad-mouthing America in the most liberal paper-of-record in America.
    Thanks for posting that, Monty! Could you post a link to the editorial? Better yet, what I would like to find is the entire text of the Munich speech.

    I am not convinced of Michael Moore&#039;s virtue, objectivity, or modesty, but I am convinced that GWB has little or none of these qualities, either. And I think GWB has done far more to damage the reputation of the USA than Moore could do with several dozen speeches like this one.

    And without the full text of the speech it is impossible to tell whether Moore is merely criticising all Americans, without praising any others, or just a certain breed of Americans we all know exists. This may not be particularly good for our image, and I agree that the wisdom of such a move is questionable, but it is largely questionable because there is a gigantic wave of hostility directed towards our country for what the rest of the world perceives as totally unjustified aggression.

    There are huge numbers of people in this country who allow themselves to be sucked into their boobtubes to the extent that we have cultural phenomenon like the Olsen Twins, or much worse, Michael Jackson. Though it&#039;s not very nice of MM to remind everyone of this, it is true.

    I want to see this speech text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg131150#msg131 150 date=1088654695
    Zero grasp about this war? I take it anyone who agrees with you has a complete grasp of this war
    no disagree all u want but at least have some idea about what u disagree with

    saying u don&#039;t agree w/ something u dont know squat about is having zero grasp

    and remember u are the one calling anyone who doesnt agree w/ u a traitor..... which is a crime punishable by death.... so in essence u are saying if someone doesnt agree with u should die

    Big Duh educated, maybe...... informed, not even close.

    She said Iraq was involved w/ 9/11 even though 9/11 commission said it was not..... I guess she thinks she knows more than all the people on the commission.

    She said no production companies wanted to touch Moore&#039;s film, also not true Miramax wanted it all along

    she said the film was all lies even though she hasn&#039;t seen it so how could she know one way or the other....... she must be psychic to know what&#039;s in a movie she hasn&#039;t seen

    and let&#039;s not forget she thinks we should kill EVERY SINGLE IRAQI.... that would include children as well :o

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg131150#msg131 150 date=1088654695
    What you show is zero grasp of the oppostion. We are dealing with a society who teaches its children to hate, that the highest gift they could give is their life accompanied by the destruction of the enemy, us. To not grasp this fundamental concept is to completely misunderstand the enemy. They would do anything they could to bring about our destruction. They view anything less than this to be weakness. We are limited by an idea that dictates that we play by rules ignored by those we oppose. If they possessed our weaponry, we would not be having your excursion into Sophistry, they would be dancing on our graves.
    You&#039;re still not grasping it Big D, what you&#039;re describing are Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, not Iraqi&#039;s, there&#039;s a difference, Islamic fundamentalist terrorists are responsible for 9/11, Iraqi&#039;s are not. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend?

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    Richard.....
    thank you ! thank you ! thank you !

    I mean we&#039;re talking about a small group of people, it&#039;s not the entire country or religon.

    her opinion and desire for blood is pretty much what Osama preaches.... how can a so called educated person not understand this

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg131159#msg131 159 date=1088655906
    Richard.....
    thank you ! thank you ! thank you !

    I mean we&#039;re talking about a small group of people, it&#039;s not the entire country or religon.

    her opinion and desire for blood is pretty much what Osama preaches.... how can a so called educated person not understand this
    LOL, let me join you .

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    and Richard also thanks for remaining calm in ur posts..... thats not my strong suit

    I just get so burned up at people who scream things like traitor and unamerican at me when they dont even know whats going on in this country much less the world. I care about this war and I care about the future of our country and so for me its really hard just to let such utter ignorance like Big D exhibits just pass. If she learns even one thing here then all my frustration would be worth it.

    I might be loud and passionate.... ok there&#039;s no might about it but unlike Big Duh, at least I care about our country enough to find out the facts be4 constructing an opinion.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Big D link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg131150#msg131 150 date=1088654695
    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg131105#msg131 105 date=1088649327
    No u don&#039;t get it..... u don&#039;t get any of this stuff, u have no clue about this movie and zero grasp about this war either.


    Zero grasp about this war? I take it anyone who agrees with you has a complete grasp of this war and anyone who deigns to disagree grasps it not at all . What you show is zero grasp of the oppostion. We are dealing with a society who teaches its children to hate, that the highest gift they could give is their life accompanied by the destruction of the enemy, us. To not grasp this fundamental concept is to completely misunderstand the enemy. They would do anything they could to bring about our destruction. They view anything less than this to be weakness. We are limited by an idea that dictates that we play by rules ignored by those we oppose. If they possessed our weaponry, we would not be having your excursion into Sophistry, they would be dancing on our graves.
    Goodnight
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    An entire society? I&#039;m not quite sure about that. How many people of Middle-Eastern descent do you personally know? I am guessing the number is none, or very few. Not counting the guy who sells you beer at the convenience store . I could be wrong though.

    Do ever woneder WHY they want to bring about out destruction? I&#039;ll let you post your opinion before I post mine. I&#039;ll give you a clue though: it&#039;s NOT "because we love freedom". If that were the case they would have attacked the Netherlands or Sweden.

    It&#039;s not a good idea to dismiss one&#039;s views based on age. I respect wisdom that comes with life experience, but I&#039;m 26, have a BA from one of the nation&#039;s top 15 Universities and have traveled extensively. My (admittedly very strong) opinions come from many sources and experiences.

    You talk about your life experience, but one can be in their 80&#039;s and just be old without knowing jackshit if they never leave their front porch. You say you have several degrees, which is great, but have you ever LEFT Texas, interacted with people from different backgrounds and cultures than yours? I understand not everyone has the financial means to travel, but at least be curious about the world around you.

    I have no issue with people whose opinions differ from mine, as long as they come from an informed place. Your views appear reactionary and parroted from Rush Limbaugh Bill O&#039;Reilly and therefore uninformed. You have exhibited much emotion and little fact in your posts.
    "She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"

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    Oh God, reading this stupid azz thread is worse than working at Fantasies. I&#039;m SO glad I ignored this stupid shit.

    Big D sucks with no cause. DON&#039;T have a day.... how bout that?


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    Quote Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg131267#msg131 267 date=1088673597
    Big D sucks with no cause. DON&#039;T have a day.... how bout that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=1;threadid=10447;start=msg130966#msg130 966 date=1088632188
    We are regularly viewed as one of the world greediest and most ignorant nations on earth
    Envy is a right bitch.
    LOL... It has nothing to do with envy BELIEVE ME! But hey if it makes you feel better to believe that, go ahead.

    Seraya.


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