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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=1;threadid=10481;start=msg129269#msg129 269 date=1088382976
    . Anyone would be better than Bush.... I mean even Donald Duck would be better
    This is quite literally true.

    Donald Duck, or even his mental equivalent, Ronald Reagan (even if he did preside over the formation of the Christian Coalition movement, among other things), would be a better President.
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    What is with the Tin Foil Hat Crowd here?

    As far as gun laws, how many people really need to carry a gun with them at all times? Granted some of the laws regarding using a gun for self defense could be revised, but lets face it how many of us have someone pull a gun on us on a regular basis?
    If you want to unilaterally disarm yourself and give up your natural (or God-given--perish the thought) human right to self-defense and preservation, be my guest. Just don't expect the rest of us to do the same.

    This country needs more HEAVILY funded social programs to focus on inner city neighborhoods and help get blacks and hispanics on equal footing with whites.
    <snip class warfare screed> The upper echelon of this country caused ghettos by discrimination and they need to be commited to fix it. Once ordinary people of all races have higher disposable incomes everyone will benefit and the economy will be stronger.
    Your entire argument revolves around neo-Marxist class warfare. That&#039;s fine, so long as you&#039;re aware that in this country, so long as capitalism exists, class warriors lose everytime because they discourage investment, innovation and ingenuity and reward sloth, mediocrity, and the entitled victim mentality. Wealth redistributionist policies are destined to fail because they run counter to human nature and basic economic laws--but people on the left don&#039;t acknowledge basic economic laws and principles because they see the world as it should be, rather than how it actually is.

    They tried it your way, Tina. It failed. You know, that whole communism thing? Of course you could go the route of homogeneous social democracies like France or Germany, but they&#039;re economically staid and suffering from zero-population growth as a result of their economic policies that were so "progressive."

    You may not like that the rich get richer--that&#039;s normal, since it takes money to make money--but just remember that the top 20% earners in this country pay 80% of the taxes. As to the rest of the tax scale, you can do the math there.

    The moderate republicans are leaving the party.
    No they&#039;re not. There&#039;s nowhere for them to go, aside from the Libertarian party, which doesn&#039;t yet possess the critical mass required to get in the game. They&#039;re sure as hell not going to join the DNC--which has ignored all the progress made by Clinton and Liebermann in the DLC (Democratic Leadership Council--a relatively pro-business, pro-law enforcement, realist foreign policy platform group)--since the DNC is so busy trying to make every issue about race and class. Guess what? There is no Great White Conspiracy in this country.

    May come as a shock to some on this board, but even among those of us proclaiming no allegiance to any religion or established political party, there are plenty that don&#039;t want the country on a more liberal track. Some of us remember American political history further back than 1990 and we&#039;ve not been pleased with the trends in education (social promotion, speech codes on campus, neo-Marxist polemicist professors, anti-religious sentiment, liberal activist judiciary, secular humanism, et al), government (expanded welfare state and entitlement programs, affirmative racism policies, unfunded federal environment mandates, dismantling of property owner rights, wholesale destruction of the 10th Amendment, et al), and economics (redistributionist spending policies, regressive tax structures, et al).

    Poor people shouldn&#039;t be getting fucked as they are. But if you are rich, fuck those poor bastards, right? That is a terrible attitude.
    The DNC controlled Congress for forty years. If you&#039;re an aggreived poor person who takes the victim role well, then you should be bitching at the DNC, the ostensible party for the common man. If the plight of the poor is so bad, then the blame lies with the party that controls the legislative branch--i.e., the spending branch--and that&#039;s the DNC.

    Ashcroft DOES NOT believe in civil rights, just religious ones.
    Amen! We need a civil rights crusader like Janet Reno! Just ask the folks at Ruby Ridge and Waco about how she protected their civil rights! Or Elian Gonzalez--ask him about his civil rights! She&#039;s what we need!

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    Default Re:The Republican Agenda is to createa Fundamentalist Christian Theocracy

    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=1;threadid=10481;start=msg129292#msg129 292 date=1088388276
    Amen! We need a civil rights crusader like Janet Reno! Just ask the folks at Ruby Ridge and Waco about how she protected their civil rights! Or Elian Gonzalez--ask him about his civil rights! She&#039;s what we need!
    Yeah, and you didn&#039;t have to deal with that fucker as your gov. either. That&#039;s more than enough reason for me to vote georgie out of office.

    Speaking of Tin-Foil hat crowd, did you know that Ashcroft annoints himself with oil when he wins an election? He&#039;s the highest law enforcement official in the USA and he thinks that DANCING is a sin (I don&#039;t men Nude dancing, i mean a guy and a girl dancing the fucking jig). THAT is the tinfoil hat. How can this moron represent me when he&#039;s THAT far different from me?

    Johnny Ashcroft did nothing but hassle porn shops and strip clubs as govorner of MO. He sucked.

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    Regarding inner city investment and "blacks" ...

    <FlameSuit ON>
    There are plenty of immigrants who come here and set up little shops and get things going under the most dire of circumstances.

    An execellent example are asians who literally come off the boat (and are legal.)

    Let me tell you what asians (and Indians/Pakistani&#039;s, etc) do since they are poor when the come here and no bank will touch them with a twenty foot pole.

    The people get together into these cooperatives and lend money out to new immigrants (or old coorperatives) for businesses. They do more than lend money out, they also help them learn the system for what they need to do.

    These are rarely official corporations or trusts or credit unions, just people who pool their money together to help people from the home land start a new life in a new country. They are a support group in more ways than economic.

    This is why one always see&#039;s asians or indians setting up shop in "poor" neighborhoods while black owned businesses are such a rarity...

    Because black people don&#039;t organize like this and they don&#039;t support each other.
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    Because black people don&#039;t organize like this and they don&#039;t support each other.
    Are you suggesting that the black community take more responsibility for its condition, its members and its future?

    How very racist of you to say so!
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    Well.

    I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s any more illogical for government to stifle cigarettes than it does any other dangerous drug.

    I think that gun murder rates in places such as England and Japan are an empirical argument that the fewer people who are allowed guns, the fewer people are wrongfully shot. (Whether it&#039;s a persuasive argument is up to what you already believe.)

    I think that giving people something for nothing teaches them to do nothing. If you want to change people&#039;s status, motivate them and train them to change.

    I do not believe I am here to change the government. I believe I am here to have enjoyable conversations with dancers and customers.

    I do not believe the Republicans are controlled or made up of religious whack jobs any more than the Democrats are controlled by socialist eco-nazis. Both those subgroups have influences within the parties and become easy targets when trying to win over moderate people, who constitute the greater majority of voters in the country.

    I believe that this thread is about to take an accelerated descent into Hell. I hope I&#039;m wrong.

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    Default Re:The Republican Agenda is to createa Fundamentalist Christian Theocracy

    I don&#039;t think that it&#039;s any more illogical for government to stifle cigarettes than it does any other dangerous drug
    Well, from that standpoint, of the government dictating what&#039;s good for citizens rather than letting them choose for themselves, the government should also outlaw alcoholic beverages (again), the government should outlaw non-nutritious junk foods, the government should outlaw cars capable of more than 65 miles per hour, and a host of other regulations meant to save people from their own &#039;bad judgement&#039;.

    Of course I consider it highly presumptive of the democrats to attempt to place themselves in a position where they can dictate by law what, in their own supposed &#039;good judgement&#039;, is good for me and what isn&#039;t. This is equivalent to treating every American as being irresponsible and/or ignorant, and creating a role for government as a lifelong parent to every citizen - which is completely contrary to the founding father&#039;s principles. Also, this principle of the government becoming a permanent parent has been applied to the government&#039;s social welfare programs for generations now, and all it has apparently succeeded in doing was breeding a massive disrespect for the government and for it&#039;s laws and regulations.


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    Since when is the smoking ban a Democrat policy ? I&#039;m not being sarcastic I just havent heard a party affilation to that issue. Can u provide some links for me to review. Thanks!

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    But the other end of that, Melonie, is to decriminalize heroin, cocaine, meth, and controlled drugs. (I acknowledge the Libertarian argument to do exactly that.) After all, those are cases where the government is deciding what is best for us. And there may be a case for that, but I don&#039;t think the majority of the country is buying into it.

    I think antismoking ordinances have more Democratic influence, because generally the liberal view is more socialistic, i.e., the government being the broker of benefits. However, the net effect in society has been more nonpartisan, with Republicans buying into the drug aspect of tobacco, and both sides buying into the health cost, public benefit, and nuisance arguments against tobacco.

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    Well guys proof that we are heading towards a Christian Theocracy is alive and well this week.

    Whoopi Goldberg being dropped as spokeswoman for Slim fast for Bush bashing.

    Of course Slim Fast officials could care less but they are being "blackmailed" by the conservative religious groups that if she was not removed from the ad they would organize a boycott of the product.

    And how about in South Dakota where the Republican governor is trying to push a law through banning ALL abortions, AND just this week required ALL public libraries to remove the Planned Parenthood link from their computers?

    And what about Bush&#039;s REFUSAL to speak at the NAACP convention. No president in recent history has had such blatant disregard for the civil rights of blacks like him.

    Of course if you read this article in its entirety you will see that under Christian Theocracy civil rights is NOT allowed.

    And the the Religious Right is angry with the Republican party for not pushing their religious agenda as much as they should. They say Bush and Ashcroft are doing a good jub but more people need to step up to the plate.

    If any of you guys haven&#039;t taken a hour or so to read this you should as every day as you watch the news you can see evidence of what is written happening.

    I know most SW members whether Republican or Democrat don&#039;t want this country run based on conservative religious values, do you?

    The answer is not in the Democratic or Republican party. The issue regarding tax increases isn&#039;t the issue. The issue is we a slowly losing our civil liberties.

    We need a new party focused on LIBERAL people like most of us are funded by others who are laid back like most of us are but who are wealthy so that the conservative religious people with all of their money can be outnumbered by the new party.

    This should be our focus.

    This is damn frigtening that violating a law based on the bible can make us criminals.

    We&#039;ve got to stop this, and it starts with getting all of the normal people out there to vote Bush out, and then to form a new political party focused on civil liberties and rights.

    I am even angry at the Democrats for being more focused on swing votes rather than saying they support gay marriage and liberal issues. We need a party in office that is TOTALLY to the left and one which all "normal" people will support and vote under.

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    Actually, the anti-smoking ban in restaurants and bars have more to do with worker&#039;s rights and protection. Since conclusive reports to the damage of second hand smoke became apparent, it would just be a matter of time before employees started to sue their work/cig companies/ government for health issues. It&#039;s a way to prevent lawsuits.

    I&#039;m a social smoker. I enjoy a good cigarette, especially when I am at bars. On the other hand, I don&#039;t want to put a nonsmoking employee at risk, either.

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    I agree that the Republicans have some diversity (Arnold vs John Ashcroft..)

    HOWEVER, the party agenda as a whole still panders to the religious right.

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    This is a lot of Conspriacy Theory Crap. I have seen many Republicans. I am also a Christian and one thing I can tell you is that the Republican Party is not lead by Evangelical and/or Conservative Christians. In fact, even in Greenville, SC. (Home of Bob Jones University) BJU for short. The local politicians often avoid being seen with associations to BJU. Remember, Greenville, SC is in the heart of the so called Bible Belt. So to say that the Republican Party is lead by Conservatives or Conservative Christian Fundamentalists is really a bunch of BS.

    However, in the Democratic Party it seems to be more and more associated with the far left fringe elements.

    BTW, I am a Libertarian so I dont like Republican or Democrat agendas.

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