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    Default Do you give "extras?"

    Yeah, yeah, I know, I'm gonna get some heat from this. But I kinda want to test out the waters of the honesty on this board. If many poeple have an objection to this post, I will gladly remove it.

    So, on this board we all talk about certain girls at clubs around the country -- world even -- giving "extras." However, we have over 6 thousand people in this community. Now, granted many aren't regular posters, and plenty are men.. but I've noticed that there are NO girls on here that admit to doing extras.
    I've wondered if perhaps the reason for this is because the girls in this community are above the "average" dancer. That is after all, why we are here. To perfect our skills and learn. So maybe we honestly don't have any girls that commit this "immortal sin," but I kinda think that there have to be some people here who do, or have done some sort of extra, at least once in their life.
    I pesonally don't, nor will I ever do an extra, no matter how much money is offered. But oh, gosh, at this point I don't even know where I'm going with this post.. I guess it's just been on my mind, are there any girls who dance, here on this board, or in any club in general that would ever admit to have given in to the temptation of taking a grand, or two, or three or four, in return for some kind of sexual act?
    Would a woman ever admit that to anyone? Her best friend? "Yeah, last night I blew a guy for 300.00 buck. I made 300.00 for ten minutes of work."
    Do you know of anyone who has admitted to doing extras?
    You don't have to nessecarily reply to this post with whether or not YOU do extras, but what are your views on the subject? I'm not looking for answers like "those are the girls that ruin the business for the rest of us." I mean we already know that that is the opinion of many people here, but more of an opinion on how honest a dancer should be about her decision, and how you would react to a women, perhaps even a FRIEND of your who dances admitting to it...
    I believe that this board is a safe haven to women, and that if anyone does want to reply in honesty that she has performed seual acts for money that NO ONE ATTACK HER. That is not the point of this post, and I hope that no one turns this into that.


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    Default Re:Do you give "extras?"

    Hell No I dont do extras..... I respect myself too much to do that.....
    How would I react to a friend admiting she did extras ?

    I'd encourage her to get out the clubs as that doesnt belong in the club. I'd remind her of the legal and health consequences of her actions and hope she'd not continue. If she did continue to do extras in the club I'd not want to be her friend anymore b/c people who do that dont care about anyone but themselves and thats not the type of person I want to be friends with. And I'd also report her to management. If she continues to be a hooker on her own time I'd be very afraid for her but unless her actions directly affected my well being I'd remain her friend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PaigeTyler link=board=27;threadid=10531;start=msg129604#msg12 9604 date=1088446097
    .. but I've noticed that there are NO girls on here that admit to doing extras.
    I've wondered if perhaps the reason for this is because the girls in this community are above the "average" dancer.
    That's not entirely true. There are girls who admit it also girls who do escort. Just not regular posters.

    Define extra. In my world of 6 foot rule, no contact couch dances, I do "extras" all the time. I don't do blowjobs, however. No sexual acts for money. Is that what you're asking? Do we do sexual acts for money? Or do we "break the rules?" Because that's what goes on in my club, rule breaking and I hear it happens in other cities as well.


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    Default Re:Do you give "extras?"

    Geeze, a 6' rule? the COMMIES!

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    I consiter extras anything that is not leagal in that area...

    so in my definition yes I have.

    In jacksonville fl any touching or spreading the legs past a certain degree is illeagle. I have done that. I touched myself, I kicked my leg high, I touched the customers not thier dicks per-say but touching them anywhere is supposidly not allowd, I pinched one guys nipples through his shirt for sevral songs straight, I even gave some (non-staddling) lap dances. I never gave any bjs, hjs, sex, or anything involving his lips to touch my body, or my lips to touch his body.

    here in NY, all of the stuff I do is leagal. so, no extras here.

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    I used to have a neighbor who was a "private dancer". really she ws an escort. guys would call her, she would go and fuck them, they would pay her, she would buy coke with it. she easily made 4-6 times as much money as I did. but she got eviced from the same aprtment complex that I resided in.

    I had no problem with her. and in reality I had more of a problem with the way money went out then the way it came in. she was nice, and could have been really smart if she didnt put everything she had up her nose. or when she did have a spare buck, she bought clothes with it.

    her and I werent compeating, as I didnt dance at the time. but if she came to a club I worked in I would watch her like a hawk and complain to her if she did anything in the club.

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    also on that note. I hate it when a customer would ask me "so do you do extras?" or something along those lines. When i would politly say "you perverted old man no blowjobs here". these guys would always ask "well who does?" yeah right. like I am going to refer all my money away... if you want a brunett instead of me fine ill bring you one, if you want A cups instead of me fine Ill bring you one, if you want to know where the nearest wafflehouse is Ill tell you. but dont ask me who my compition is, esecilly one I just cant compete with.

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    Default Re:Do you give "extras?"

    I don't do extras. I knew few friends who did do extras. I don't think that there is anything bad to do extras. I woudn't do them because I think it is not worth the money.the energy that you have to put out for extras is simply not worth the money that men is willing to pay for it.
    But on moral level I don't think extras are sin or bad thing.
    "When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it seems like two hours that's relativity." -- Albert Einstein



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    Quote Originally Posted by oceana link=board=27;threadid=10531;start=msg129628#msg12 9628 date=1088448391
    But on moral level I don't think extras are sin or bad thing.
    Nah, just boring.

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    Default Re:Do you give "extras?"

    Are we talking about extras as sexual stuff outside of the club or simply touching stuff that is going on in the club?
    "When you sit with a nice girl for two hours, it seems like two minutes. When you sit on a hot stove for two minutes, it seems like two hours that's relativity." -- Albert Einstein



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    This is my story i first started dancing when I was a bright eyed 18 year old, we did lap dances where you sit on the guys lap, more or less the girls called it dry f**king, and they were allowed to touch your boobies, but NOT between your legs. Anyway 6 months down the road the police etc came put a stop to all of that, and thats when rules were enforced, nomore lap dances they are called private dances nomore touching boobies and nomore sitting on their lap. You can get close up to the guy and they can touch your leg thats about it. It took a while to adjust, but I've never gone back, I prefer it that way. I've never done extras, and I never will. I made good money without having to do extras. Yes definately I've come across girls where they have done extras, but not so much in the club, I knew a girl who would go out after work and the men would pay 1000 for the night, I dunno why she did that she made LOTS of money inside the club. But whatever, it was her body not mine.
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    Default Re:Do you give "extras?"

    I give extra's a few times a day. what's wrong with that?!

    Ok, all kidding aside. No. I even worked at a club that is known for the girls playing. I saw plenty of it going on but I never did it nor do I have a problem with it. What other girls chose to do is their business not mine. If John Smith comes in the club, buys a few dances from me, says he's looking for more, I will decline the offer and point him in the right direction. I could care less what others do. They aren't hurting my money. I'm friendly, outgoing, easy to talk to and not horribly disfigured and I do just fine without giving anything extra. I will not act like a bitch about it when they ask though because that leaves a black mark on me the next time they come in.

    I'm sure I'll get flamed but that's ok.

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    I give extras who wants one??? They're free too...






    J/K...i think you need to define extras Paige....some of my friends will tell me get a dance from that girl b/c she does this or that ....usually not anything like sexual....more like some would let more touching go on or some would touch the guy down there a little more....

    Then there are the girls in Vegas who went around the club asking if I wanted an upperbody massage. When I asked the details of this massage(out of curiousity only i sware ) they implied it included a handjob. They didnt appreciate it when my friend and I laughed at them. Everyone knew that this is what those few "massage" girls were there to do....they werent real dancers. I dont think the dancers minded that they were there either, i think it was more of a tag team thing....once the dance was done...the massage girl would try and get you afterwards.

    I Dunno...just trying to input the little info i have on the issue

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    I don't do extras....I don't call customers and meet them somewhere..... in fact, I've perfected my bullshitting skills so much that I am still one of the top earners in my club. I'm not a prostitute... but I will say this, many girls do.... even in the cleanest of clubs, I've seen it happen. Unfortunately, it makes it that much harder for a girl to make her money.

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    Default Re:Do you give "extras?"

    As pretty much everyone has already pointed out, the word "extras" means quite different things to different dancers. It is a bit cynical I know, but I often get the impression that a lot of dancers define whatever they do as "private dancing" and whatever higher levels of contact they are not willing to allow as "extras" or "prostitution". So, naturally, most dancers say that they don't do extras, which they don't...according to their own definition.

    Still, it is a good question; it might get more revealing/useful and honest answers to do some sort of survey...along the lines of "do you do X?"

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    You're not going to see an accurate depiction unless there was some sort of anonymous poll, and one that had lots of different kinds of "Yes" votes ("never", "did before in the past", "do regularly", etc.etc.)

    Also, the registered readerbase here is lopsided. At least locally, the women I know that do perform extras don't find any value or appeal to a site such as this. I can't say I blame them due to how the subject usually gets treated and referred to. Everyone's holy measuring stick comes into play and it just demotes to some judgemental hate fest of shit slinging.

    And whether or not it would occur on this particular thread, you can bet your ass it will come back in the form of different handling on other threads/replies or less than subtle cues of past knowledge.
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    AINNY, I will be the 1st to take your extras!!(I saw your pics), but seriously, yeah in work anything you do that is not legal is considered extra, so yes I do do extras, but here your not supposta take $$$ with your boobs,(well hell what else are they there for?!) But I have never taken a guy home and screwed him for cash or any other sexual act. Nor have I ever done any sexual act of the like in the club. For money or for free. Well....does that include lap dancing for my hubby? I hope not anyway!
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    The way the laws are set up in Washington, you have to do extras!

    When giving a table dance, there is to be no nudity. I&#039;ve danced all over the place, and nudity or a topless table dance IS THE NORM!

    You have to overcompensate somehow:

    I just charge extra to see some boob or to get a glimpse of Hello Kitty. Grinding is free and the standard for all dancing. If we were an all nude club, that rule would not exist.

    As far as other extras go, I do not let guys grab me, the occasional hug type caress, whatever, as long as its not full on ass or titty grabbin&#039;!

    I don&#039;t do handjobs, I don&#039;t even touch a guys groin area! I tried to do it once as an experiment, it was an old boyfriend of mine. I just felt stupid and never did it again!

    No nipples in the mouth, no lettin&#039; guys finger me or even touch my crotch! No grabbing boobs. They are real, and I don&#039;t feel I need to be reimbursed to make my money back, so they are off limits!

    If they try and are too agressive about it, I either stop the dance or charge em $50 bucks regardless.

    No kissing, (cept on the cheek). No ear licking, yuck yuck yuck! No dirty talk.

    I do bachleor and private parties, but as far as leaving the club to meet a guy, no way. No matter what amount of money is offered.

    Here is what I think is stupid. If you go to the club, why pay house and then leave with a guy to do God knows what? Why not just pay house, stay your time and make your money. Get the guys number and meet him some other time. I still object to that even.

    Also, the more you leave the club with a guy, it just makes it harder to make money in the club because guys expect it.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Marie Blanchard link=board=27;threadid=10531;start=msg129829#msg12 9829 date=1088466786
    If they try and are too agressive about it, I either stop the dance or charge em $50 bucks regardless.
    hey did you post in Junel13&#039;s "some guy pinched my boob" thread? if you get a chance please do.

    anyhow, I think Marie Blanchard pretty much sums it up especially for us girls that are working in super conservative cities. What we allow as "extra" is standard play for many of you gals.

    Perhaps a better worded question for this thread would be more specific, like "do you stickshift?" or "do you breastfeed?" The poll idea was good but then maybe some girls who do allow this activity don&#039;t allow it all the time. Maybe it&#039;s only for a select few. Who knows?

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    I define an "extra" as something allowed or offered by the dancer that is outside of club rules. Not necessarily sex.

    By that standard, my impression is that most of the dancers I&#039;ve met at clubs participate in "extras."

    By that standard, my impression is that most of the dancers on this board say they do not.

    For whatever that&#039;s worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kitana link=board=27;threadid=10531;start=msg129822#msg12 9822 date=1088465656
    AINNY, I will be the 1st to take your extras!!(I saw your pics),
    sounds good to me


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    Extra&#039;s are so subjective. I&#039;ve been called a whore for giving eye contact and a prude for not grinding guys to ejaculation. In general tho I don&#039;t break the law or the club rules. I&#039;ve made very good money being "the clean girl" in a dirty club, tho.

    My experience is that people are consistant with their environments. In skanky clubs girls will openly do extras and admit to it. In classier clubs, even if all the girls are doing extras, they don&#039;t admit it to eachother.

    My attitude is that people who do extras in a club, beyond what is "normal" in that club, generally don&#039;t know how to make their money without extras, and generally stop doing extras when you show them a few things. Extras outside of the club, or extras in a club where that&#039;s the norm tho, hey, that&#039;s none of my business.

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    That makes sense Lena, I definetly do not work in a high end club. In Seattle they are seedy. Seedyis good. Not a total dive, but not magnificent either.

    One thing I forget to mention as well, Seattle clubs do not serve alcohol. That&#039;s where "compensation" and "extras" come into account.

    There have been clubs that I have worked in that I didn&#039;t need to do extras at all and still banked!

    I try to set a standard at the club that I am at, pricing wise and what a guy can or cannot do. Girls do so much for little money, and they can&#039;t figure out why they leave with nothing. And your right, they don&#039;t know how to make money without the "extras".

    It&#039;s consensus amongst the girls no matter what club you go to. Dancers at the dirtiest club could be pissed, not because you were dirty, but because you didn&#039;t charge enough.

    I got yelled at by a girl in San Francisco once, right in front of the customer, because I was being to clean!!

    Go figure.

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    I DO NOT under any circumstance give extras! Ewww yuck and again ewww. I agree with the poll thing. You would get a more honest answer from an annonymous post. I am probably one of the prudest dancers out there. Managment knows me for kicking guys out of lapdance rooms because they tried something or offered me money for extras. My managers are extremely awsome and give me alot of respect for doing so. They would rather have a clean club. In fact we just fired a few girls who were giving extras in the lapdance room and flashing. Ive seen many girls who gave sexual favors in and out of the club and yes they bring who probably 3 times more than what I make in a night but I come home with my self-respect and I am able to sleep at night.
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    I am about on my way out of the dancing world anyway, so yes...dancing in south Florida ginding is a NO for rules. But i have, and most do grind, cool enough with management seems.

    Feeling inside my thighs...yes. Again a NO for the club, but do-able once you start working, and management does not seem to give a rats ass again.

    Touching any private parts, boobs, vagina, no. ASS, yes... cheeks a few times. Makes for alot more $$$ and no disease. I don&#039;t kiss, and don&#039;t let sucking or fondling of anything.

    I danced Pure Platinum for years, never once did i get touched or touch actually. Then i hit a few clubs that set "the scene" for grinding and touching.

    Floor and VIP.

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    Default Re:Do you give "extras?"

    Nope. No extras here. I define extras as sex acts like hj, bj etc etc.

    I feel that if a dancer has to resort to that to earn she shouldn&#039;t be dancing in the first place.

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    Default Re:Do you give "extras?"

    Since several people seemed to think that a poll is a good idea because it would allow anonymous and much more specific answers, I started looking into initiating one. Since I have no previous experience designing polls using vBulletin (the software basis of this board, I think), it seemed like a good idea to get some input before going ahead (and probably screwing it up). Here is what I have learned and thought about so far:

    The software allows one to ask a question and allow 8 options as answers; it appears that each respondent can only choose one of the 8 possibilities. I am not sure if the software allows users to respond (or "vote") more than once each or if it keeps any record of who gives what answers, but it does not appear to do so.

    My current/initial thought would be to ask the following question:

    "What is the most permissive service you provide to your strip club customers on any routine basis?"

    The accompanying message would define "routine" as something a dancer does at least once every month or two on average. The idea here is to exclude something a dancer might have done once or do only very occasionally (maybe when drunk or under very unusual financial pressure, for example) and concentrate only on "extras" that are available reasonably regularly, at least to her best customers.

    Maybe the trickiest part of the poll is to pick 8 specific levels of permissive service in some sort of plausible order such that it would usually be true that a dancer who allowed, say, the 4th item on the list would also allow all of the less permissive ones (1 to 3 in rank order). Here&#039;s a first draft attempt at such a list:

    "1 - Expose areas of your body which are supposed to stay covered according to club rules or local laws.

    2 - Touch your customer in sexually &#039;neutral&#039; places (i.e., not in conventional erogenous zones).

    3 - Allow your customer to touch you in sexually &#039;neutral&#039; places.

    4 - Grind your body against your customer&#039;s body directly/vigorously for extended periods of time (what I would call a full contact lap dance).

    5 - Allow your customer to touch and/or kiss your breasts/nipples or caress your groin or butt (i.e., try to stimulate your erogenous zones).

    6 - Stimulate your customer&#039;s erection with your hands, face, thighs, butt crack etc through his clothes.

    7 - Sex (HJ, BJ, FS...) inside the club, such as in a VIP room.

    8 - Sex (HJ, BJ, FS...) on &#039;dates&#039; outside the club (escorting or prostitution, essentially)."



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    Noting again for clarity: THE ABOVE IS NOT THE POLL; IT IS ONLY A DRAFT FOR YOUR COMMENTS.

    I would be very happy to have any comments, criticisms, suggestions, corrections or whatever re any aspect of the above, including just a suggestion that I drop the whole thing if that is what you think. For the results to be of any interest/validitiy, it would be great if we had some consensus that the question and the allowed answers are at least somewhat sensible.

    Also, btw, if anyone else feels the urge to take this idea and run with it, please be my guest. I have no "pride of ownership" in the idea and suspect that others could do a better job with it than I can. Probably an experienced dancer could do a better job than any of us guys, for example.

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