Hey, I would rather pay $15 to hear that story than How to Date an Exotic Dancer..
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Hey, I would rather pay $15 to hear that story than How to Date an Exotic Dancer..
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We males should all be so "traumatized" at age 14.
Yeah, that's right, I'm jealous.
Two cents.
Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.
William F. Buckley, Jr.
LMFAO Lilith.. No kiddingOriginally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=10632;start=msg131394#msg131 394 date=1088698216
Sapphire, you're not alone.
We had a British Royal Navy ship pull into port last May. One fellow took quite the shine to me. Bought 19 dances (or thereabouts, I lost track). Well, the next night a bunch of his shipmates came back in for Night 2 of the party. They were talking about how two of the "babies" on the ship spent the most money and were getting very teased for it, and I recognized my guy's name. I said they shouldn't heckle the poor guy and anyways, 22 isn't that young.
Dead silence.
Shipmate: "Oh, is that how old he said he was?"
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Me: "Yeeees. He said his birthday was a few days ago. Why?"
Shipmate: *snortsnicker* "Oh, aye, his birthday was a few days ago. He turned 18. Guess you blokes don't card Navy."
AUUUUGGGHHHH! Ewewewewewew.... They had a good laugh when I freaked out. I had to explain to them that, in America, a few days earlier it would have been statutory rape of a child.
Ew.
He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ~ Friedrich Nietzsche
That guy in the pic is her husband. He is pretty darn good looking too. Shes just screwed up in the head (a moron)
OR, the kid could be lying. (doubt it)
but whatever. Either way its nasty... ugh
Lexi, it's only nasty if you aren't the 14 year old boy.
I remember Miss Morei of the silken thighs.... *Sigh*
I haven't heard too many details about this yet but my first instinct is that the kid might have tried to blackmail her for grades and maybe he got mad when she didn't do as he wished. Who knows though. I guess we will find out. I wonder if this will be on Court TV ? I like to watch trials from time to time on their station.
Unfortunately...
I read all the pages on the Smoking Gun. It goes into detail. Apparently, she had sex not only with him, but another underaged student.
Ugh..
Ohmaybe she's a sex addict or something ?
Yikes.. Could be.. I'd just hate to have her teaching my children..
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This woman has to be mentally messed up. I have my moments where Ill go to the gas station and see this hot 17 year old guy pumping my gas and sometimes I wish I was that age again but in NO WAY would I act on it! Ewwwwwwwwwww! Yeah that kid was lucky - every young guys dream. If this was a one time incident Id say it was an "oops" but it still wouldnt be right. But since she has slept with another student I say she is somehow mentally ill.
You think you know... but you have no idea!
It could very well be that she was emotionally traumatized as a child. Maybe her father told her she was ugly and no one would ever love her. Girls with pasts like that tend to go a little attention crazy. It's all about acceptance.
But don't take this the wrong way, I'm not condoning what she did, I just understand how someone could have done it.
"You did then what you knew how to do; when you knew better, you did better" ~Maya Angelou
Here's another story on this with a little twist on her past.
It's headlines because it's out of the ordinary as headlines go. Male pedophilia is so commonplace.
Just imagine, though, if this thread were about a male teacher and a female student of the same age. "He's really hot, I should've been so lucky when I was in school." "I'm not condoning what he did, but I understand how he could be screwed up enough to do that."
Yeah, disgusting. It just makes the feminist in me wonder about how things really are and really can be.





do you think a girl student would be more traumatized than a boy student? I think so but I'm not sure why...
That's a good question, Saph....and I am inclined to agree. You see...I have a 14 year old step-daughter. If one of her teachers were to do something like this, then I think she would be more traumatized because her two brothers, her mother, father, step-father, and grandfather would all end up in jail for stringing the Mother F*CKER to the back of the several cars and driving off in different directions.
If my step-son's nailed the hot teacher, however, I'd buy them beer.
EDIT: IF THEY COULD KEEP THEIR TRAPS SHUT ABOUT IT
UPDATE:UPDATED: 9:00 AM EDT July 1, 2004
TAMPA, Fla. -- New photos of a Florida teacher accused of having sex with a 14-year-old student have turned up online, in Makes and Models, a high-end car and motorcycle magazine.



I feel the same, and like you I find it difficult to put into words why. A lot of it is just feelings that are based on commonly held social beliefs, but ...Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=1;threadid=10632;start=msg132028#msg132 028 date=1088762797
There is often a practical reason(s) why we have the social beliefs that we have, and a lot of it is based on tens of thousands of years living in a simpler time.
The reason is that in the case of the 14 year old boy + 23 year old woman ... if there is a pregnancy the boy doesn't have his life disrupted carrying a child, and breast feeding. Assuming that is that the boy even took responsibility for being the father. Possibly he would not, possibly his family would refuse responsibility on his behalf, and not so long ago there was no such thing as a DNA test, no way to prove it.
There is a bunch more to it, but that's the key difference. In a less modern world if the girl was to become pregnant there would be no way to deny she is the mother, and her life would be disrupted carrying the child, breast feeding the child etc. and caring for the child for a dozen plus years. It would be harder for her to find a husband because many men would not want to care for another man's child. And so on...
Even if she doesn't become pregnant, there may be higher risks for a woman of becoming infected with a STD.
Basically that is it. The risks associated with casual sex for a woman are greater. Many of the social beliefs we hold and reasons why women may (overall) be more careful (than men) about who they have sex with is because there are (historically) greater risks for a woman. Some of that has changed in the modern world we live in, but the modern world is a relatively new thing as compared with the tens of thousands of years of simpler life that preceeded it.
Interestingly, it wasn't all that long ago in history that it was typical for a 20+ and much higher year old male to marry a 14 year old female.
Jay, I'm insulted. Guess what, a MALE teacher, fresh out of college (same age as this woman) would CONSTANTLY hit on one of my best friends. It IS understandable! First of all, look at all the loser guys out there that are in their twenties and date girls in their teens--if you don't see it in your town, move up here to mine! At least my friend was smart enough to say no. It doesn't look like this boy was arguing about it!!! Do I even have to get into the argument about how it's "impossible" for a woman to rape a man? A male teacher threating a female student is MUCH different than a female teacher threatening a male student. As far as I know, in all the cases I've heard about, these male students were willing participants. Do you know how many women each year are physically and sexually ASSULTED by teachers and other figures of authority?!Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=1;threadid=10632;start=msg131941#msg131 941 date=1088748859
Add to add....if a fucking HOT male teacher wanted to do me at age 14, I would have been fucking thrilled! And, like this stupid boy, I would have bragged my ass off about it!
The feminist in ME is scared of YOU!
"You did then what you knew how to do; when you knew better, you did better" ~Maya Angelou
I once worked at a shcool for autistic kids - this 1 kid (not autistic) was "incarceerated" there because he was dating a 23 year old teacher...
All I can think is - in both cases - if I was the kid i'd be PSYCHED to get a teacher (tried twice, worked once).
AS for the teacher...clearly she's sick, but the one case I know personally the kid was so smart that he was probably more her intellectual equal than her husband.
WARNING! This may be offensive to some people.
An incident happened at my old school like this. This was in my senior year. I graduated from an all girl private school that was K through 12. A very preppy school, with plaid skirts, you know the deal. Well a male gym teacher, who was 28 years old, ended up getting a 12 year old girl at the school pregnant. They had an affair ever since she was 11 or 10 years old. The girl, who is about 14 years old now, still claims that it was consentual. The kid that she eventually gave birth to was adopted by her parents and is being raised as her little sister. The girl claims she still loves him and wants to marry him when he gets out of jail (he was sent to jail for 16 years or something like that). BTW, the girl is a very very small Indian girl. When she was 12 years old she looked about 8.
So I guess what I am trying to say is that even though someone very young might have liked the sex and still might think of it as ok, they have no idea about the ramifications like pregnancy and stds (heck most older people have problems with it.) Also, even though cave men did reproduce in their early teens, keep in mind that they only lived to the age of 30 so they had to start breeding soon back then and they also didnt have to worry about AIDS.





in psychology class we learned that a woman is much more sucseptible to std's than a man also the pregnancy it can just totally change her whole life maybe yes that's why I feel it would have more negative ramifications on a girl than a boy.
It's certainly not my intent to insult or scare anyone - simply to prompt thought.Originally Posted by SCGirl link=board=1;threadid=10632;start=msg132132#msg132 132 date=1088787656
A feminist, as I understand the definition, is someone who stands for the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes. By that standard, I'm a feminist. You can believe that or not. I think I've proven it by my social and professional interactions, hiring practices, and childrearing.
In this case, I perceive a conflicting standard in the perception of an immature boy being victimized as opposed to an immature girl being victimized. I was only trying to highlight that conflict.
Maybe a double standard is justified, given differences between the genders. Or, maybe that double standard should be reshaped so that it applies equally. I'm not saying either one. I'm just trying to point out that there seem to be different standards applied.
It is possible to rape an underage person of either gender who is nonetheless willing to have sex. It's called "statutory rape." Consent is consent, but underage is underage.
I have no idea why you'd be afraid of me. I don't believe that adults should have sex or sexual interactions with underage people, period. Of either gender.
First of all, I never said you weren't a feminist. I'm scared because you seem to imply that this issue with a woman having sex with a male student is the same as a man having sex with a female student. I'm totally aware of "statutory rape"--whoopdeedoo--that's not what I'm talking about. You're right, underage is underage and that's exactly why I don't condone it. However, being 14 at one time myself (not too long ago), I understand the student's position. Whether it's legally (and/or morally) wrong, doesn't mean that the kid didn't want it and didn't encourage it.
I really don't get it. Were you actually saying that we should treat this the same as a case with a male teacher? Becuase it's not the same and no one can deny that (feminist or not). Feminists do not believe that men and women are the SAME--because they aren't--they just believe in equality. The situation is different no matter how you look at it. Heck, each individual case is different. I am in no way saying "oh, because this woman couldn't physically hold down this boy and force him to have sex with her, she should get off light"--that would be stupid. I just said I understood why she would do it. And I understand why a male teacher would do it as well. There are many different reasons people do these things. The ACTIONS are bad, the people are not. Generally speaking, they have mental issues...issues that can be sovled with therapy. In fact, I just watched a whole Montel show on the rehabilitation of young male sex offenders, not to mention I read an article minutes ago on a girl who had an affair with her basketball coach (it's in Cosmo Girl this month, if you're wondering).Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=1;threadid=10632;start=msg131941#msg131 941 date=1088748859
I guess my point is that it scares me that you think "understanding" these people (male or female) "disgusts" you. Or is that not what you meant?
"You did then what you knew how to do; when you knew better, you did better" ~Maya Angelou
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