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    Hi, this is my first post. Im black, m 5'5 and about 180 and am thick. Although im pretty toned from playing soccer and being otherwise toned. I was curious what is the ideal weight for a black stripper (since we run a little bigger) Also, would I make a considerable amount less for being black. I get hit on by all races and have a naturally huge chest. Im very curvy. Should I play up my ethnicity... ex. tribal like dances. Uhh I need help!!

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    as far as I can tell there is no "ideal weight" for any stripper, esp. among black girls. It's all about where you carry it. I've noticed that we're generally allowed more leighway when it comes to ass and thighs, also arm and shoulders, if you carry the weight in your boobs that's great too, hopefully they aren't saggy, but if so some guys will still just like the size. I don't know anything about your club so I can't tell you whether or not you should play up your ethnicity... what kind of atmosphere is it?
    girls girls get that cash,
    if it's 9-5 or shakin' your ass.
    ain't no shame, ladies do your thang.
    just make sure you stay ahead of the game.

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    tribal like dances???? WTF

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    based on the above response...and on some of the infomation in quite a few threads concerning race on this site...i would advise playing down your ethnicity...

    racism is very much alive and well in this business...and based on what has been said on this site concerning black dancers (and even black customers)...being black does change things...and not in a positive way...it's one of the reasons i gave up on my dream of becoming a dancer...

    maybe some of the black dancers on this site can give you more insight...because i'm unable to tell you what the actual impact (or effect) that race plays...i only know what has been said on this site...and a lot of what's been said has been negative...and very discouraging for me personally...

    but lately...i haven't seen many of them come around much...i wonder why that is?...hmmm...
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    None of the black girls I dance with "play down" their race. What is that supposed to mean anyway? They just go to work like anyone else and make money...


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    I work at a Gentlemens club in Philly. There is a good amount of both white and black women.. as well as spanish and asian. I hear alot of the black females talk about how the white men are their spenders and how they avoid the black men. I guess it boils down to each customer and their preferences, atleast in my club.. but i never see a black dancer complaining of a racist customer or not making money. Also, there is one black dancer who chooses her music based on the crowd. She likes to dance to rock but dances to hip hop when there is a crowd of black men who seem to be into that music. Again, this is just my one club and the only club i have worked at so i dont know how it varies within state or club???

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    Default Re:(for all races) Does being black change anything?

    if you mean play up your ethnicity as in Egyptian Queen that's one thing but as far as dancing I would personally just concentrate on dancing sexy and sensuous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz link=board=25;threadid=10850;start=msg134645#msg13 4645 date=1089278660
    based on the above response...and on some of the infomation in quite a few threads concerning race on this site...i would advise playing down your ethnicity...

    racism is very much alive and well in this business...and based on what has been said on this site concerning black dancers (and even black customers)...being black does change things...and not in a positive way...it's one of the reasons i gave up on my dream of becoming a dancer...

    maybe some of the black dancers on this site can give you more insight...because i'm unable to tell you what the actual impact (or effect) that race plays...i only know what has been said on this site...and a lot of what's been said has been negative...and very discouraging for me personally...

    but lately...i haven't seen many of them come around much...i wonder why that is?...hmmm...
    if dancing is what you want to do you shouldnt give up Topaz. Go to clubs in your area. See how many black dancers there are. Actually *talk* to black dancers and ask them about this (pay them for their time) and ask them whether business is good enough to bother. It's an uphill battle for sure, but you *can* make money.
    girls girls get that cash,
    if it's 9-5 or shakin' your ass.
    ain't no shame, ladies do your thang.
    just make sure you stay ahead of the game.

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    I'm black though for the last half of my life most of the time people assume I'm white. The black thing sometimes bothers me from time to time at work - usually unnessesarilly. The reality is that you just have to get on with your job and not worry about it. I'm not really sure why it bothers me at work when outside of work it doesn't. I make as much or more than the other dancers at one club I work in and a variable amount at the other.
    I have hardly worked with any other black dancers and plus I'm in Australia where there arn't many black (as in African descent ) people here, so I can't comment about what works etc. I think the best thing you could do is just do what you feel comfortable with. If you feel confidant at any stage you might want to try some African dances, but it's probably best not to start with them - especially if your nervous and if the clubs a tad stuck-up / conservative. If I dance to music with African rhythems and singing etc sometimes I throw in a few, (cery basic,) African moves. So far they've worked in well and I really think there it could be worked into a feature. However it might depend on the crowd. Pride in our heritage isn't something that is looked on favorably by alot of people including ourselves, and I think it would be f**ked to do an African style feature to a crowd who would ridicule it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=25;threadid=10850;start=msg134727#msg13 4727 date=1089302133
    None of the black girls I dance with "play down" their race. What is that supposed to mean anyway? They just go to work like anyone else and make money...
    I think you must know what it means because you answered the question. It's obvious for me what it is, so I shall try to explain anyway. This isn't a 'poor me hard-luck story even if it looks like it's heading that way!)
    The first half on my life I grew up with the white side of my family in a town of 80,000+ white people in England. I was very obviously 'a nigger' compared to all of those pale skinned people although I'm quite light skinned compared to alot of other black people. That's what people called me and that's how many of them treated me. I sometimes wouldn't get served in shops, some parents wouldn't let their kids play with me, I was refused ballet and violin lessons despite the fact that I'm naturally tallented in both dance and music. (I was the only child in the school to get a 100% mark in all of the music exams you needed to pass to learn the violin, but they still didn't let me learn it.) Almost every day someone would make come derogatry comment about my skin colour or race. I was teased about my hair, big lips and big eyes. One of my first boyfriends dropped me because his friends teased him so much about my skin colour - he was one of the few brave enough to go out with me in the first place. I was only usually considered 'pretty for a black girl at best and black generally = ugly period.' (Incidently I did have alot of great friends in England!) But you get the drift and have probably heard it all before.
    I moved to Queensland Australia - most of the white people are tanned as dark as me. My hair was bleached blonde - in England that didn't make any difference but here suddenly I look like a fair-dinkum, dinky-di Aussie beach girl! Suddenly I'm considered 'beautiful', everyones envious of my even tan and lack of skin damage. Only 5 people have called me a nigger in 18 years! Racist men see me, think I'm Aryan and try to chat me up! Other people see me and sometimes call me a 'wigger' because they assume I'm a white person with dreadlocks. People I don't know in passing sometimes make racist remarks to me about other people as if I'm going to agree with them. People often tell me their parents left England and moved to Australia because too many black people had moved to England expecting me to have moved here for the same reason I assume, (idiots, lol!). People in shops here have never refused to serve me because I'm black. When I'm introduced to new people here, no-one backs away or is horrified at the prospect. Alot of people seem to go out of their way to get to know me here - wierd!
    Unintentionally by moving half way accross the world I have played down my race. I'm not sure that it's a good thing, but life is definatly much easier when people think your white and it's interesting having had two totally different experiences!

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    I am a mixed girl who looks white (I am lighter than my German husband). I was wondering how SOC (strippers of color ) do their hair. Hotcomb every day or what? I don't think my hair would be thrilled with that idea.

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    I think it's all about location, of course there's going to be setbacks because of your colour black, white whatever.....hell I'm white as milk my dad is white my mum is mixed, I grew up in a maori, polynesian environment, damn was tough at times, but I don't regret anything, if anything, when I started to go to high school, I got picked on more by the white kids, I hold no grudges against any race, I think it's more like there are always going to be one asshole somewhere. Anyway I thank them for making me the tough cookie I am today. MORE on the subject, I think you can make money depending MORE on your personality than your skin colour, I think you'll make a ton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ivoryivy link=board=25;threadid=10850;start=msg135112#msg13 5112 date=1089393635
    I am a mixed girl who looks white (I am lighter than my German husband). I was wondering how SOC (strippers of color ) do their hair. Hotcomb every day or what? I don't think my hair would be thrilled with that idea.
    same options as in the real world.

    Perms, hotcombs, braids, microbraids, weaves, etc.
    girls girls get that cash,
    if it's 9-5 or shakin' your ass.
    ain't no shame, ladies do your thang.
    just make sure you stay ahead of the game.

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    by hot comb do you mean flat iron? Nobody should flat iron their hair everyday...I can hear the sizzle now...just go a day or two in between washing to keep the straightness.


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    aussie....out of curiousity...and you don't have to answer if you don't want to? are you half black, half white?

    When someone asks you what race you are, do you say black?

    And from your pictures, I thought you were white with a funky punk style, but now that you say it, I definitely see how you're black too. It's weird how that is.

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    Even w/waiting the chemicals and heat just destroy it. I just go natural in real life, but my frizzy french braid won't cut it in a club. A weave might be a good idea, but they are so damn expensive. Being so pale and pretty flat to boot any kind of braids makes me look like a 12 year old just back from holiday in Mexico.
    AnakSuNamun69 you sound lovely. I don't know if and what effect race has on earnings, but keep in mind where mixed babies come from. Men (and women) love pretty ladys (and men), regardless of color.

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    I'm a black dancer and I would say regarding weight that in this business obviously it is important.

    In black clubs being a little thicker,(maybe a size 12) could be workable. But keep in mind if you are substantially bigger than the other dancers you won't be as competitive.

    But with your height being only 5'5", I would say losing about 40-50 pounds through daily cardio and diet would be what you should do to be able to get hired in most clubs and be competitive.

    I am 5'9 and weigh about 140, and wear a size 8. If you are tall, like 5'8-5'9 you can carry 140-150 pounds fairly well.

    Most dancers are between a size 4 and 10.

    You don't have to change your personality to dance. In clubs where we can pick our own music, I play R&B and old school with some light rap. In clubs where the music is formatted you will dance to whatever is played. in the larger clubs you hardly go on stage anyway. the money in this business is in selling dances, not on stage, so good selling skills and dancer training are key.

    I would work on your weight and then consider taking the Dancer Wealth seminar listed on this site and you will be good to go.

    Good luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiepunkshocker link=board=25;threadid=10850;start=msg135004#msg13 5004 date=1089365166
    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=25;threadid=10850;start=msg134727#msg13 4727 date=1089302133
    None of the black girls I dance with "play down" their race. What is that supposed to mean anyway? They just go to work like anyone else and make money...
    I think you must know what it means because you answered the question.
    I dont see how I answered the question? ??? But in any case, I did read your whole post and am sorry to hear of what you went through. I am not kissing your ass, but when I first saw your pic, I thought you were smokin. I even showed my on and off bf...I said, "she is very hot" But anyway, thanks for the info... it helps put things into perspective.
    But in all honesty, do you really think thats good advice? (What Topaz mentioned?) I dont think anyone should play down their race. If others dont like it, screw them! Those are ignorant people and they will alwaye be.

    edited to fix typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emily link=board=25;threadid=10850;start=msg135151#msg13 5151 date=1089400026
    aussie....out of curiousity...and you don't have to answer if you don't want to? are you half black, half white?

    When someone asks you what race you are, do you say black?

    And from your pictures, I thought you were white with a funky punk style, but now that you say it, I definitely see how you're black too. It's weird how that is.
    Yes - my Mum is English and my Dad Afro-Carribean, from Barbados. I am very proud of my English ansestory but I identify as black or mixed race if applicable. (-:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=25;threadid=10850;start=msg135329#msg13 5329 date=1089437222

    I dont see how I answered the question? ??? But in any case, I did read your whole post and am sorry to hear of what you went through. I am not kissing your ass, but when I first saw your pic, I thought you were smokin. I even showed my on and off bf...I said, "she is very hot" But anyway, thanks for the info... it helps put things into perspective.
    But in all honesty, do you really think thats good advice? (What Topaz mentioned?) I dont think anyone should play down their race. If others dont like it, screw them! Those are ignorant people and they will alwaye be.

    edited to fix typo
    I agree with you, I think it sucks to play down your race, but on the other hand we need to make money and maybe for some people it is easier that way.
    I think there is a difference between playing down the race thing and cultural rejection too. Ie when people are ashamed of their race and will do anything to try and look whiter and appear to others to be something their not etc.
    I thourght after I posted my response last night, 'I wonder if that was clear?!' I'm not really comfortable about people assuming I'm white all the time but I'm happy about life being easier! (-:
    Oh and thanks!

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    it's not good advice Lexi...but it really wasn't given as advice...an observation...more or less...based on what i've read on these boards concerning this topic...along with personal experience...it seems that it's better to be eurocentric than afrocentric...in this country...and especially in this business...that's why i suggested that actual dancers jump in...since they're much more qualified than i am...

    someone here took the time to honestly tell me that my natural hair (styled in a very short 'sister ceaser' cut) probably wouldn't cut it in this business...it offended me at first...but i thought about it...and...unfortunate for me...it makes sence...since most men prefer long and straight...

    i've seen people play down their culture out here in the 'real world'...because they think it's neccessary in order to get ahead (careerwise)...but i compare it to women who think that playing down their femininity is neccessary in order to get ahead (again careerwise)...not denying one's race/ethnic heritage...as victims of self hate do (and i know some people that do that too...it's a sad sight...trust me)...i personally do neither...

    forgive me if i offended anyone...
    Why do some people still have to fight...to get the same opportunities...that are given to others??...

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    gosh I do believe much of our "what we perceive" isnt always genuine - often it is shoved down our throats at an early age. By media by our parents our communities, archaic prejudices etc

    we conform to fit -

    (watched a documentry some time back about the lure or attraction of long hair - it was apparently an outward sign of fertility and health as was the attraction of wider hips an outward sign a female was able to bear a child etc)


    anyway . . .
    many ignorant views are based soley upon some learned behaviors?

    often uninformed or sheltered biased viewpoints -

    like a simple comparison of a team rivalry? cheering for your team even when they lose or assinine fighting on the playing ground type behavior. And it results in attacking another even with stuff that is absolutely irrelevant to the game

    misguided..? uninformed? the result of a lack of life experience and exposure to live amongst many colors shapes sizes creed religion politics...the list is long.

    again back to the crap fed to us daily - the media - shampoo companys (oh the long flowing locks inspiring envy and distress)

    short hair is as beautiful as is long!!! No?
    gosh its so sad we need to uphold that bunk delivered daily on the tube the radio the sides of buses and billboards....

    COLOR is beautiful, beyond beautiful. so is one's culture, beautiful and intriguing. And no one color is exempt from doing it to itself either. and others.

    We struggle with it all of us in one way shape or another and everyones struggle is genuine...

    I do apologize if I seem nieve - I am canadian, and this strife is here too - but I have been told a thousand times over it is nowhere neither the gravity it is in some areas of the United states,

    not that it is the united states problem god no its everyones problem everywhere, but there is different attitudes and well Toronto is saturated with every color of the rainbow and living working playing and being with eachother all the time everywhere - begins a better place in our hearts about all this - in fact its such a part of your everyday experience it melts into the background.

    ah, where am I going with this....


    in that perhaps I get it whats being layed out here in this thread - and I also agree with topaz inserting other examples of repressing other traits being a comparison - playing dumb or some such to work a customer - or playing down your intelligence...I have done it and sadly it works (bleh) so I get that. I dont like it but I get it - and its pathetic and doesnt say much for the customer does it?

    maybe one thing can be taken from that - that we are AWARE of it and it only serves to refresh that ignorance angle and underscore it.

    People are threatened by unfamiliariity or the unknown, and avoid it or scorn it. Such as seeking a dance from a beautiful dancer who happens to be of color - they avoid it and seek out what they know?

    When I danced in China - this was very common, and when we inquired why certain members of our group were sought after more than others - it was explained that it was familiarity - and although different and intriguing - when it came down to the wire we were passed over.

    Dont let them kid you that being an assertive big breasted blonde is going to bowl them over in a country where women are tiny, sweet quiet and of their own colorings/distinctiveness - cause the bottom dollar proved it otherwise.

    I remember a show Oprah had years ago where it was said and I thought held so much weight - until we are all eventually intermixed there will be no peace.

    I like to believe we are all one race the human race ya ya jump on me for being so so squishy about that but that statement from that show really will come to be one day - we are all mixed anyway a splash of this a dab of that half of one or another etc...

    we are in the agonizing throes of that coming to be and it will probably be a long time before we get there, but....we live in the angst of that transition and all the adversity that comes with.

    I dont like it and I dont practice it at all...

    but its there, no denying it - its there

    I dont know if I have added anything of much relevance to this thread short of saying, I hear you and I get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEIGH_LANDON link=board=25;threadid=10850;start=msg135424#msg13 5424 date=1089472480
    I dont know if I have added anything of much relevance to this thread short of saying, I hear you and I get it.

    I hear you ( and agree ) too

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    I'm a black dancer in what is considered to be the best club in Atlanta and will tell you in a heartbeat that race does matter. But I think that it depends on your location and where your customers are from. I find that white men who are from the south are very reluctant to deal with black women, especially in a "white club." When we have conventions in town I usually will get attention from white men who are from up north. Black men on the other hand are a completely different story. I find that there are two kinds of black men who come in. Those who want to see white women and those who want to see black women. Those who want to see black women give me the most trouble because they expect me to "booty-shake" and break a sweat dancing and that's not what we do. It's an upscale club and we consider ourselves to be upscale dancers. It can be extremly difficult at times when chocolate is not the flavor of the day. But remember that you may not be as favored one day, but the next day you might have people who are absolutely in love with black women. Again,I have to say that it has to do with location.

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    I understand, Topaz. Im not saying you were giving BAD advice, but I didnt think it was right only because I guess people shouldnt have to play their races down. I do however, understand what you are saying.... I dont think you offended anyone. In fact, I am sure that many agreed with you about the whole thing. Come to think of it, I was dying my hair blonde for a few years, and people never thought I was hispanic. (Even now they ask if I am Italian, etc) I was probably playing down my race as well without thinking about it... :o
    But know that I do understand why you would say this....with all the recent threads about racism and how its harder on black girls to make money, I see why you would say something like that. It is a tough business out there, and its even harder for others, which sucks.
    By not being black, I sometimes dont realize how hard it CAN be for black dancers, etc...but when I read about that hear, it gives me a reality check. Hopefully things start to change for the better, and people can stop being so ignorant.

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