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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHagar link=board=27;threadid=10898;start=msg135647#msg13 5647 date=1089525640
    You are all wrong, I do have other stuff to do then sit on this board and "troll". I live a very exciting life, like I said, I work 5 hours a day 3 days a week, I watch wrestling and nascar whenever it is on, and I go to the bar almost every day (not a strip bar).
    Then why the fuck are you Trolling then? If you have so much to do.

    First off, you are not fooling anyone. The only thing you proclaim is that you are a sad, sad, loney human being, not that Strippers are immoral, since these ladies have lives enough to not be TROLLING other websites.

    Secondly, you don't even have the intelligence to be an amusing Troll! You are like Butchee, Obsessive compulsive. Seek help.

    Third, did you know that you leave an IP fingerprint behind when you post here? You can be found, you can be fucked with.

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    Yee Haa! Get 'em Madcap! Sorry I have to cut this post short, 'cause I gotta go eat my Big Mac, while I clean my gun while watching Nascar on T.V. ROFL!

    This guy is sad, and sorry. He is fuccking clown shoes!

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    hey kitana -- mind polishing my gun as well>? It&#039;s hard to watch wrestling and have enough energy to get everything done.... hahah!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHagar link=board=27;threadid=10898;start=msg135647#msg13 5647 date=1089525640
    You are all wrong, I do have other stuff to do then sit on this board and "troll". I live a very exciting life, like I said, I work 5 hours a day 3 days a week, I watch wrestling and nascar whenever it is on, and I go to the bar almost every day (not a strip bar).


    ummm.... hey moron, quick question: If you don&#039;t like strippers or strip clubs, why did u register on a STRIPPER message board? ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=27;threadid=10898;start=msg135676#msg13 5676 date=1089538997
    Then why the fuck are you Trolling then? If you have so much to do.

    First off, you are not fooling anyone. The only thing you proclaim is that you are a sad, sad, loney human being, not that Strippers are immoral, since these ladies have lives enough to not be TROLLING other websites.

    Secondly, you don&#039;t even have the intelligence to be an amusing Troll! You are like Butchee, Obsessive compulsive. Seek help.

    Third, did you know that you leave an IP fingerprint behind when you post here? You can be found, you can be fucked with.
    LOL Madcap.. He wouldn&#039;t be worth the trip babes. He&#039;d probably just lock himself in the basement of his mother&#039;s house (where he resides).


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    Quote Originally Posted by VanHagar link=board=27;threadid=10898;start=msg135621#msg13 5621 date=1089518395
    I am super happy working at McDonalds and collecting welfare, but you are wrong about one thing, I am not fat, I am average weight. I live in my trailer home, I work at mc donalds 5 hours a day - 3 days a week, and I collect my welfare check and then I go buy beer with it every month. My life is great, and like I said, I don&#039;t have to sell my body to make a buck.

    Now if you will excuse me, I am going to go listen to my George Thorogood cd and drink some beer.
    LOL...he&#039;s ADMITTED IT!! He&#039;s nothing more than trailer park trash!! LOL...holy shizzle...

    And, if you do not like strippers, then leave. The feeling with you is mutual. Speaking of which...I&#039;m sure that your IP can be banned. Your time is running thin!!

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    LOL Depending on how many beers you have had, trolls can sometimes add a bit of humor to the day. To those of us who have responded Im sure we have added to his masturbatory climax :o

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    In some cities you can avoid raids by not working the weekends - cops like to time their busts when they can arrest the most girls, so if you work on a monday or something where there aren&#039;t many people there the chances of a raid are lower. Other places cops aren&#039;t that smart.

    If you&#039;re going to keep working at all you should definitely find a lawyer that is available at all times and pay his retainer so that if you do get arrested on a friday night he can come and get you home to your daughter instead of waiting for monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=27;threadid=10898;start=msg135821#msg13 5821 date=1089569998
    Quote Originally Posted by VanHagar link=board=27;threadid=10898;start=msg135621#msg13 5621 date=1089518395
    I am super happy working at McDonalds and collecting welfare, but you are wrong about one thing, I am not fat, I am average weight. I live in my trailer home, I work at mc donalds 5 hours a day - 3 days a week, and I collect my welfare check and then I go buy beer with it every month. My life is great, and like I said, I don&#039;t have to sell my body to make a buck.

    Now if you will excuse me, I am going to go listen to my George Thorogood cd and drink some beer.
    LOL...he&#039;s ADMITTED IT!! He&#039;s nothing more than trailer park trash!! LOL...holy shizzle...

    And, if you do not like strippers, then leave. The feeling with you is mutual. Speaking of which...I&#039;m sure that your IP can be banned. Your time is running thin!!
    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=27;threadid=10898;start=msg135821#msg13 5821 date=1089569998
    Quote Originally Posted by VanHagar link=board=27;threadid=10898;start=msg135621#msg13 5621 date=1089518395
    I am super happy working at McDonalds and collecting welfare, but you are wrong about one thing, I am not fat, I am average weight. I live in my trailer home, I work at mc donalds 5 hours a day - 3 days a week, and I collect my welfare check and then I go buy beer with it every month. My life is great, and like I said, I don&#039;t have to sell my body to make a buck.

    Now if you will excuse me, I am going to go listen to my George Thorogood cd and drink some beer.
    LOL...he&#039;s ADMITTED IT!! He&#039;s nothing more than trailer park trash!! LOL...holy shizzle...

    And, if you do not like strippers, then leave. The feeling with you is mutual. Speaking of which...I&#039;m sure that your IP can be banned. Your time is running thin!!


    HA HA VG... you nailed it.. but as I always say, you can take the girl/guy out of the trailer, but you can never take the trailer out of girl/guy-

    Sounds like a bad case of a redneck if you ask me....

    You know you&#039;re a redneck when.....

    1. You sign up on a stripper website because your job at McDonald&#039;s is so dull you need to add excitement without having to pay for a lap dance.

    2. You cash your welfare check to buy the new George T. CD and set of new salad bowls that say "Cool whip" on the side.




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    Troll...I&#039;m sorry you felt the need to interfere with a serious subject and take up space between the answers I was looking for and that I appreciate. I&#039;m sorry you have nothing better to do. I am not looking for a response from you I just wanted to apologize for sparking your interest.

    NOW GIRLS, thank you so much for your honest answers, information and advice. I appreciate it so much that I can come onto this website and actually find honest help from girls like myself. I am considering going back to the smaller club I used to work at, which will be a $100-$200 dollar a night paycut...which is HARD, but will be better than being busted. I am pretty sure that there is a 6" space for dances, which I have never seen anyone follow, even if they&#039;re not dancing raunchy, I don&#039;t know one stripper who has 0 contact in any way...I think most of us can agree! And that reply about the no contact table dances basically being the only way to NOT get busted should you dance for an undercover seems to be ringing true. Thank you for all of your help, I appreciate it!

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    I also was under the impression that Detroit had just passed a new no contact ordinance. It would definitely be in your own best interest to make a trip to the city clerk&#039;s office to get a copy of the ordinance and study it yourself (or better yet have an attorney interpret it for you)

    The reason this is important is that new ordinances always cost clubs and dancers money. Many dancers and many clubowners cannot afford to lose money and thus are likely to continue doing things which are now technically illegal under the ordinance. Often, clubowners will be less than 100% forthright with dancers in advising them what sort of conduct is OK in the club - in other words do not trust that a clubowner is giving you authoritative legal advice. This is particularly the case if under your local ordinance it is the dancers who will be busted for excessive contact and not the clubowner ! In that situation a clubowner has everything to gain by telling dancers that X amount of contact is ok (because it will bring in more customers) and absolutely nothing to lose if his dancers are eventually busted.

    Depending on how your local ordinance is written, being busted can be as non-serious as a parking ticket or as legally serious as a prostitution bust. If your ordinance carries misdemeanor charges and you are busted, it usually means spending the night in jail and ponying up $500 in bail money the next morning. It then boils down to how conservative the judges and residents in your city are. If they are the goody goody type, and tend to believe the Hollywood stereotype that all exotic dancers are lying, thieving, drug addicted whores, a jury is very likely to believe whatever the cop tells them, ignore anything you tell them, and find you guilty. When this happens, you&#039;ll wind up paying a sizeable fine, plus probation and/or community service, plus a (sexually related) misdemeanor charge and conviction on your record.

    This happened to me while dancing in a strange club on a road trip. In order to beat the charge I had to hire a local criminal attorney and file an appeal. I then had to reappear in appeals court, at which point the judges WOULD actually listen to my side of the story and the original bogus conviction was overturned and my record expunged. However, this cost me over $5,000 in legal fees (up front - and not refunded), plus lost work, plus extra travel costs etc.

    Bogus or not, being busted is no picnic, and can result in a permanent black mark on your record if you are not financially prepared to appeal the original bust.

    It&#039;s also an absolute shame that more and more dancers are finding themselves in your position - facing a dilemma of working within the law and earn next to nothing (because every other dancer in the club is bending or breaking the law), yet share an equal risk that you will be busted along with other dancers in the club OR deliberately bend or break the law and look over your shoulder constantly.

    This is an even worse situation if the legal penalties for violating your anti-dance club ordinance are considered a misdemeanor, basically the exact same legal penalty associated with a prostitution charge. When this is the case, dancers have a huge incentive to start offering &#039;extras&#039; because on the one hand they stand to earn much more money with zero additional legal risk, and on the other hand they can use the extra money to hire a criminal attorney and appeal their charges and very likely wind up being acquitted on appeal (where the bogusly busted clean dancer will be initially convicted and remain convicted because she can&#039;t afford attorney&#039;s fees to mount an appeal herself).

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    What kind of Martian doesn&#039;t like strippers? I can&#039;t imagine life without strippers!

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    looks like i missed the boat on this thread, but i thought i might have something relevent to add. i'm a new dancer in detroit, i've been working for about two months, and my understanding is that state law dictates a 3' no contact rule, and that lapdances are technically illegal.
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    Haha two things

    1) I have lap danced for David Lee Roth (no shit)
    2) Where do I look for my local "strip club laws"?
    In a black light trance, then go go dance...

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    Foxey: I know in So CA you can get them from the police dept (usually the same place you get your license from, if you've done that). OR perhaps your managers at work have copies that they "forget" to give the girls when they start working.

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    I have a fundamental question regarding these laws. Perhaps my question is a bit naive but I am really quite lost?

    How does one stipulate that 3' is an acceptable distance and not 2' or 1' or even 4'? On what grounds do legislators come up with these technically specified distances?

    Whereas high contact dances may have some bearing on health issues and morality... I do not understand how a 2' dance is unacceptable and a 3' dance is?

    I am trying to relate this to other rules like say a 60 speed zone which works on the average reaction time to stop, or a blood alcohol limit which is specified based on the average of a persons perception to distance. Whilst these rules seem random in their selection and applicability to everyone, there is some logic behind the selection... be is questionable..

    Is there any logic in the selection of these "rules"?

    If so
    1. Who makes these decisions?
    2. Do you (as a professional body) actually get to comment on these rules during their conception or have any input on these rules which affect the way the industry operates and your livelihood?

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    Alot of states have laws regarding contact between customer and dancer which basically make even a simple lapdance illegal and sometimes legally equate a regular lapdance to prostitution. If these girls are getting arrested and charged with prostitution, when all they're doing is a lapdance, most likely MI has enacted laws which define crotch contact/stimulation (clothed or not) as prostitution. It sucks, but in most cases you don't have to be doing "extras" to get arrested if you happen to dance for an undercover vice cop.

    Unfortunately it's a risk we take in order to make money. 99.9% of us simply don't have the luxury of being able to sell legal dances, partly because customers demand it (they have no legal risk) and partly because the morality morons institute ridiculously strict laws.

    Not much you can do about it. If you're only dancing one day a week your risk is a bit lower. But the fact is, every guy you dance for could be a cop looking for his next arrest. Ugh.

    Fortunately, this is usually a temporary nuisance triggered by some local shithead up for re-election who needs to look "tough on crime" in order to gain some conservative votes. Once the election is done it usually blows over.

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    Luke, if there is a specific distance requirement in the law, it can come from two typical sources. The first is a state-wide amendment to the state's liquor licensing laws, where state legislators pick a distance figure out of thin air, debate it among themselves, pass the amendment, and then tell clubs (along with bars and restaurants and any other venue with a liquor license) that any topless girls must remain 3 feet or whatever away or they face having their license pulled. Obviously, a distance restriction for topless girls is much less of a factor for average bars and restaurants than it is for topless clubs ! For this type of regulation there is essentially no appeals process, since the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that states have 'carte blanche' regarding enacting any and all requirements for the sale of alcoholic beverages in their state.

    The second is a local city/county ordinance which is aimed specifically at strip clubs. In this case the city council members or county legislators pull a distance figure out of thin air, debate the issue among themselves, pass the ordinance, tell local cops to go enforce it, and then justify their reasoning behind the ordinance if and when clubowners retain an attorney and file a legal appeal. With this sort of ordinance, given somebody ponying up sufficient funding for mounting a legal appeal in the first place, there will eventually be an opportunity for the attorneys to discuss the validity of a particular distance rule, secondary effects doctrine and data etc. before an appeals judge.

    And Brigitte is absolutely correct that something like 80% of US dancers today find themselves working in environments where they will wind up earning WalMart wages if they adhere to the 'letter of the law'. The 20% exception is typically top shelf 'show clubs' which actually operate legally, but which are also extremely picky in regard to the dancers they will allow to work in their clubs. But for the 80% of girls who cannot get hired in top shelf 'show clubs', who do not have a top shelf 'show club' anywhere near their location etc., they are faced with a daily dilemma of 'bending the law' in order to earn decent money while taking a calculated risk that they'll eventually be busted for simply 'doing their job' - because technically speaking 'their job' is illegal based on a strict interpretation of state lewd conduct and/or state prostitution laws and/or county/city anti-dance club ordinances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie
    Luke, if there is a specific distance requirement in the law, it can come from two typical sources. The first is a state-wide amendment to the state's liquor licensing laws, where state legislators pick a distance figure out of thin air, debate it among themselves, pass the amendment, and then tell clubs (along with bars and restaurants and any other venue with a liquor license) that any topless girls must remain 3 feet or whatever away or they face having their license pulled. Obviously, a distance restriction for topless girls is much less of a factor for average bars and restaurants than it is for topless clubs ! For this type of regulation there is essentially no appeals process, since the Supreme Court has repeatedly ruled that states have 'carte blanche' regarding enacting any and all requirements for the sale of alcoholic beverages in their state.

    The second is a local city/county ordinance which is aimed specifically at strip clubs. In this case the city council members or county legislators pull a distance figure out of thin air, debate the issue among themselves, pass the ordinance, tell local cops to go enforce it, and then justify their reasoning behind the ordinance if and when clubowners retain an attorney and file a legal appeal. With this sort of ordinance, given somebody ponying up sufficient funding for mounting a legal appeal in the first place, there will eventually be an opportunity for the attorneys to discuss the validity of a particular distance rule, secondary effects doctrine and data etc. before an appeals judge.

    And Brigitte is absolutely correct that something like 80% of US dancers today find themselves working in environments where they will wind up earning WalMart wages if they adhere to the 'letter of the law'. The 20% exception is typically top shelf 'show clubs' which actually operate legally, but which are also extremely picky in regard to the dancers they will allow to work in their clubs. But for the 80% of girls who cannot get hired in top shelf 'show clubs', who do not have a top shelf 'show club' anywhere near their location etc., they are faced with a daily dilemma of 'bending the law' in order to earn decent money while taking a calculated risk that they'll eventually be busted for simply 'doing their job' - because technically speaking 'their job' is illegal based on a strict interpretation of state lewd conduct and/or state prostitution laws and/or county/city anti-dance club ordinances.
    Melonie knows her stuff! I would be curious to know of any state that has attempted a statewide amendment to liquor laws for stripclubs that has gone into effect. I know Missouri and Ohio have pending cases but will they stand up in the courts?

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    Thanks Melonie

    Looks like the legislators are going back to the dark ages...

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