I dont think its fair that a person who gets locked up loose"s thier right to vote.![]()
I dont think its fair that a person who gets locked up loose"s thier right to vote.![]()
The only Bush i like is between your legs.
Well, with all due respect, Urnemesis. I don't believe that someone who has violated the laws is entitled to that right.
It's pretty much a kick-in-the-teeth to the government, (and other citizens) when someone goes against the laws. Why should that person have a say in who gets elected when they don't even respect the government in the first place?
I can't vote, but I'm allowed on the internet from jail. In fact, I'm in jail right now! It's kinda cool. I get my jollies off of stripperweb, while my roomie calls me his bitch. It's kinda cute, you know? such a big, young, strapping guy. What a big lug!
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.




ehhhhh, what if the crime shouldnt' be a crime? we should kill real criminals and those who violate unjust and unfounded laws shouldn't be in jails. jails shouldn't exist.





The stated puproses of imprisoning people are deterrent and reform. If they are let out, they are supposedly "reformed." So why are they still being punished by not being allowed to vote? It is an emotional argument. If we don't want them voting yet, then keep them in jail. At least that make sense.





What lestat said.
Also, when you register to vote, your physical address becomes public record. I don't register to vote, I just influence as many people as I can to vote for me.
Lena
Someone currently in jail should be denied the vote, someone out should have paid his or her debt to society, therefore should have the vote.
I agree with urnemesis. Though while someone is locked up, i can see why they deny him or her that right (after all, they deny prisoners a hell of a lot of other rights).
We need to give inmates something to shoot for, some hope of rejoining the rest of us with full dignity.
The main resone xcons are not allowed to vote is if they were given the chance to vote they would vote those who put them in jail out.
some crimes are not crimes . dancers can be aressted for
prostitution for giving a lap dance in some states .
But you know something when it comes down to it those in jail who do big time violated the same laws those who write the law violate.
Enron white water water gate iran contra iraq war.
Are some examples of stealing done by big company's but all had a scape goat to do the time for the one's breaking the law.
So why does the littile guy do the time and looses out on his rights.
The only Bush i like is between your legs.
Because nothing is fair. 'Fair' is a dream. It's not realistic.Originally Posted by urnemesis link=board=1;threadid=10934;start=msg136053#msg136 053 date=1089605397
I agree with this. IF the person can be rehabilitated and released (and STAY that way), I believe they should have the same rights as a citizen who hasn't committed a crime.Originally Posted by Madcap link=board=1;threadid=10934;start=msg136038#msg136 038 date=1089604351
But, inmates that are currently serving time should not have the right to vote. They have already shown a total disregard for the laws. Ex-cons have also shown this, but they have repaid their debt, and most are remorseful.




That would be a misdemeanor, not a felony and therefore not even a valid example.Originally Posted by urnemesis link=board=1;threadid=10934;start=msg136053#msg136 053 date=1089605397
I'm all for convicted felons losing their right to vote. If you want to vote, simply don't take the risk.. or realize the risk you are taking before hand and don't cry about the ramifications afterwards.
The moment it is impossible to go through life without committing a convictable felony is the day I'll believe otherwise. But for some reason, I don't see it as being a requirement to get through life.
It doesn't matter if you're somebody in this world, it rather matters you mean the whole world to somebody.
Yeah, but then give a reason for these men/women to try to integrate back into society? If they have to be pariah's the rest of their lives, it's just incentive to break th law again.
They paid their debt, let them get on with their lives!
So in the spirit of restoring rights, that means convicts should have the right to own and use firearms as well as vote? And we can let those convicted of child molestation and rape get rehabilitation jobs in day care centers! What a great idea!
And while we're at it, why don't we just purge their entire criminal history from the legal record?
They lose rights after prison because they infringed on others' rights in the commission of crimes. It's not a hard concept to grasp.
Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.
William F. Buckley, Jr.
And all felonies involve firearms? I wasn't aware of this.
Not every person in prison is in there for raping a kid (and the ones that are have a rough go!).
Someone goes to jail for growing some weed, they lose the right to vote. That is CRAP.
If you're dumb enough to go to jail, that's just one less stupid vote right?
Lots of people end up in jail for making a mistake. To err is human, to forgive...
Well, forgiveness is a myth too, isn't it...
Oh geez. I hardly consider committing a crime "a mistake". Most criminals think that the only mistake that they made, was getting caught. They never think it's wrong, of course.
True, but a lot of people do just that.
It's said that the oddest thing about prison is John Q. Prisoner. Meaning regular folk.
It is possible to make a mistake and pay for it forever (Meaning, do something you later regret).
Sorry hun, i believe that everyone should be given a second chance. Heck, a seventh chance, or a seventy seventh chance! Like i said before, some of the words of Jesus are to be thought about.
Murderers are a different story. But some guy can't see a way out and starts selling Rock, yeah he's giving the suicide gun cocked and loaded to people, but he should still be given a chance to be a person again. Not a goddamn Pariah!
Main Entry: pa·ri·ah
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In this case i agree with Jesus (and normally i don't). Forgive not seven, but seventy seven times.
I believe in forgiveness. I really truly do.
Mat 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.
Whwn thw man is right, the man is right.
First, I agree that a considerable number of drug laws are too strictly classified.
Second, Few convicted persons are convicted for the worst offenses for which they are charged and are objectively guilty (although not technically).
Third, Of the seven states with felon-no-vote, to the best of my knowledge they all have provisions for the restoration of voting rights by clemency or pardon. Sure it takes 5-10 years but a 20 y.o. convicted of growing 2 marijuana is NOT going to face the obstacles and duration of a convicted pedophile.
I have no problem with making felons earn their way back to full citizenship. I 100% agree that some crimes are over-classified. Dealing is not a drug crime as normally thought. It is normally an economic crime and often an organized crime with lots of guns and violence.
When thinking about this consider how long the VICTIM has to live with the consequences. A person killed by a drunk driver is dead forever. A rape victim is scared forever to one degree or another. A holdup victim is traumatized for a very long time. A heroin dealer's customers often end up dead forever or infected with AIDS or with an addiction forever.
IMHO- If a person is legally considered to have paid their debt to society then they should be able to vote.
I myself am an x con i have lost my right to vote but in seven years i can own a gun again now does that make sense.
what i did was not dumb the government does it all the time.
Alchol and tabaco are adictive yet they continue to sell it to people . you might say that it is corporate america not the government but they get thier cut.
It all boils down to what the hell does going to jail have to do with voting why is that the only right that one has to fight for when they come home.
Granted for rape and molesting a child one should never be released but for eveything else one should have a chance to redeem one's self.
In this country it is guilty till proven inocent in this country a murderer does not lose his right to vote why should one lose it for conspeiricy when the government does it every day.
in my jurny i met a guy that killed six people and got four years yet for conspeiricy. for a key its ten to life for a phone comp its 5 to 10 for a low level involvment is 5.
Mind you this is for hear say with no evidence just for the intent to commit conspeiricy. wich is a he said she said typ of crime.
so its' shit.
Iit is a way of puting minority's in jail for nothing and taking thier right to vote away.
And its bullshit that a con canot change 9 out of 10 do the right thing when they come home.
but the media only speaks about the small percent that go's back jail is a business nothing more .
It does not rehabilatate anyone one must want to change himself Jail is not scary it's boring all that shit on tv is plain bull then again it helps having arep when one go's away.
the right to vote is a right to any citizen of the america's countless minority's died for this right since this nation was stolin from the native people of this great land.
(ps) imagrints are being given the right to vote even doe they are not citezens and they have not done anything for this country but lower the pay for americans .
But politics say that americans do not want those jobs but company's are only hiring imagrant labor. so whats a con to do. Ill tell you what ever he has to do to to live on regardless.
And this happens why cause they are not given a chance to do the right thing everybody breaks the law but not everybody gets caught.
(ps) a mother fuckin again if my spelling is not up to par forgive me.
The only Bush i like is between your legs.




So.. basically what you are saying is- whatever drug it was you were selling/peddling, you didn't know it was illegal to sell or possess?Originally Posted by urnemesis link=board=1;threadid=10934;start=msg136329#msg136 329 date=1089663836
Usually, the dollar sign difference involved with such activities could alert a fucking well trained monkey that they aren't doing something on the up and up.
Point being- I don't know too many liquor store or tobacco shop owners driving around in a 'benzo... never heard of such a cop out.
Absolutely! It's that damn whitey that forced you to try and make $$ by selling, peddling or possessing illegal narcotics.so its' shit.
Iit is a way of puting minority's in jail for nothing and taking thier right to vote away.
Maybe it was a white guy that designed the Escalade, so the thirst to try and get one in a couple months instead of GETTING A NORMAL JOB AND EARNING ONE LIKE EVERYONE ELSE does leave whitey to blame? Not sure I'm seeing the logic here?
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It doesn't matter if you're somebody in this world, it rather matters you mean the whole world to somebody.
Well, without saying what it was exactly that you served time for, it's hard to say if the government is guilty of the same.Originally Posted by urnemesis link=board=1;threadid=10934;start=msg136329#msg136 329 date=1089663836
Yes, they get their cut, on whatever is sold. That's why I'm all for the legalization of marijuana. They can tax it just like they do everything else.Alchol and tabaco are adictive yet they continue to sell it to people . you might say that it is corporate america not the government but they get thier cut.
Again, I'll say that criminals break the laws. It doesn't matter what law exactly it was that they violated. It's the fact that they had no regard for the law, so why the hell should they have the say in who gets elected? In one of your posts, you said that ex-cons would vote the person that put them there out of office. Crime is crime. I think anyone you elect will view it in the same way.It all boils down to what the hell does going to jail have to do with voting why is that the only right that one has to fight for when they come home.
What about Murder? Is that excusable? They didn't give the person they killed a choice, did they?Granted for rape and molesting a child one should never be released but for eveything else one should have a chance to redeem one's self.
I'm not sure about this one. If you're convicted of a crime, you lose the right just the same. A murderer loses the right just as much as someone who has committed a lesser crime.In this country it is guilty till proven inocent in this country a murderer does not lose his right to vote why should one lose it for conspeiricy when the government does it every day.
He got 4 years for killing 6 people? For some reason, I'm not believing that.in my jurny i met a guy that killed six people and got four years yet for conspeiricy. for a key its ten to life for a phone comp its 5 to 10 for a low level involvment is 5.
Mind you this is for hear say with no evidence just for the intent to commit conspeiricy. wich is a he said she said typ of crime.
Let's not start this. It doesn't matter what race a person is. Do you think that only minorities commit crimes? You'd be wrong.so its' shit.
Iit is a way of puting minority's in jail for nothing and taking thier right to vote away.
Maybe they do, and maybe they don't. It's their decision to change. They invented the "3 strikes" policy for a reason. It must be that there are quite a few repeat offenders out there.And its bullshit that a con canot change 9 out of 10 do the right thing when they come home.
but the media only speaks about the small percent that go's back jail is a business nothing more .
Yeah, they must change for themselves. But again, they must ALSO serve their time, regardless of if it changes them or not. They have the balls to do the crime, they better have them to do the time as well.It does not rehabilatate anyone one must want to change himself Jail is not scary it's boring all that shit on tv is plain bull then again it helps having arep when one go's away.
I agree with you there. But, it's not a right that should be taken advantage of, or an automatic "given". Too many take it for granted.the right to vote is a right to any citizen of the america's countless minority's died for this right since this nation was stolin from the native people of this great land.
Yes, it's true. This land was stolen from the Native Americans. There's no denying that.
Unless the laws have changed recently, you DO have to be a citizen to vote. This includes immigrants. They BECOME U.S. Citizens and are then given the rights of an American. Illegal immigrants are not automatically given the right to vote. You DO have to be a citizen. Show me proof of otherwise.(ps) imagrints are being given the right to vote even doe they are not citezens and they have not done anything for this country but lower the pay for americans .
There are many reasons why companies hire immigrants. It's not just to take job opportunities from you. There are other reasons.But politics say that americans do not want those jobs but company's are only hiring imagrant labor. so whats a con to do. Ill tell you what ever he has to do to to live on regardless.
I disagree. Not EVERYONE breaks the laws. There are people who break them and don't get caught, but to say that EVERYONE breaks the laws, is just ridiculous.And this happens why cause they are not given a chance to do the right thing everybody breaks the law but not everybody gets caught.
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