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    To continue the thread that got hijacked...

    I work in Canada and my club had police (undercover) three days out of 4 that I worked last week. This is very common in Canada because:

    -lap dancing, touching in any manner, overt sexual posing (wide spread) are completely against the law but HAPPEN EVERYWHERE ALL NIGHT LONG, not just one club or the VIP areas. If we don't do this we'd not make any $ and I know one new girl that tried to follow the by-laws and got fired since someone complained about the no-contact $300 hour (heh heh - fucker deserved to get ripped probabally)

    -everyone is supposed to be liscenced but the clubs always let this slide and we end up with underage and illigals working alongside us liscenced Canadian dancers


    They didn't nail ME any of the 3 raids so consider doing like me and:

    -pay off the bouncer at the BEGINNING of the shift, and remind him every day that you want to be the first to know when the cops get there

    -pay off the shooter-girl or waitresses or anyone who is usually on the floor but wouldn't be obvious coming into the VIP to warn you.

    -make a code word (ours is Roster) for the girls at the club, and tell dem bitches (since you'd be suprised at how many wouldn't do this automatically) that when they recognise vice or suspiscious behavior (talking on cell phones in club, not getting dances but hanging out in vip area, etc) to SHOUT IT OUT when the police first arrive.

    Each night last week I had either the bouncer or shooter-girl warn me within 30 seconds of roosters in the club.

    Hope this helps.

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    Jesus, that sucks but if that's what you gotta do...

    Interestingly, during my last "flip-out" over the hookers in the club, I yelled, "And I'm not telling any bitches next time vice shows up! Y'all are on your own!"

    3 days in a week. :oIs that common for them to visit so frequently?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=27;threadid=10935;start=msg136048#msg13 6048 date=1089604980
    3 days in a week. Is that common for them to visit so frequently?
    Damn...somebody's payoff account probably went dry. :o
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    If we don't do this we'd not make any $ and I know one new girl that tried to follow the by-laws and got fired since someone complained about the no-contact $300 hour
    I've known of instances where girls who followed the law couldn't earn enough money to make continued dancing worthwhile versus a straight job at WalMart or MacDonalds, but I have to admit that this is the first time I've heard of a club actually firing a dancer for refusing to break the law. I can understand the clubowner's motivation though. In your scenario every customer expects illegal contact levels, no customer is willing to spend money without getting illegal contact levels in return, and the clubowner can't cover his mortgage and utility bills unless his dancers are providing illegal contact levels. It just sucks that dancers in some areas now have to work under these conditions, forced to break the law and forced to look over their shoulders for a potential bust every minute they are working.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=27;threadid=10935;start=msg136048#msg13 6048 date=1089604980
    Jesus, that sucks but if that's what you gotta do...

    Interestingly, during my last "flip-out" over the hookers in the club, I yelled, "And I'm not telling any bitches next time vice shows up! Y'all are on your own!"

    3 days in a week. :oIs that common for them to visit so frequently?
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    I had a question about raids? if there is a raid at your club and you get arrested whether it be because you were doing something wrong or just plain innocent. what happens then you go to jail and have to call someone to bail you out? I just want to know to be prepared I h aven't started dancing yet and when i do my family won't know. i'm not planning on doing n e extras but ive read here that sometimes you think u are not doing n e thing and police thinks otherwise i want to be prepared beccuase when i start dancing my fam won't know. i know they'd get me out of jail i just think it be plain embarassing. so i want to avoid this n e way i can. and if i do get in this situation i want to know what to do. any info greatly appreciated.

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    Some clubs will bail their dancers out and even provide a lawyer for the case but to be on the safe side it is best to have your own lawyer to call and to have $500-$1000 available at all times for bail just in case

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    if there is a raid at your club and you get arrested whether it be because you were doing something wrong or just plain innocent. what happens then you go to jail and have to call someone to bail you out? I just want to know to be prepared I h aven't started dancing yet and when i do my family won't know. i'm not planning on doing n e extras but ive read here that sometimes you think u are not doing n e thing and police thinks otherwise i want to be prepared beccuase when i start dancing my fam won't know. i know they'd get me out of jail i just think it be plain embarassing. so i want to avoid this n e way i can. and if i do get in this situation i want to know what to do. any info greatly appreciated
    Basically, if you are busted (bogus or not) you'll be taken to the local police station's "holding tank" and held overnight until you can appear before a magistrate the next morning for an arraignment. The magistrate determines whether to grant bail (almost always a sure thing) and also determines how much the bail will be (usually $250-$500 but can be higher). If your club is willing to post bail for you, or if you have $250-$500 of your own money in your purse, hand over the money to the court clerk and walk out the front door. However, if the club is not willing to post bail for you, and you don't have the $250-$500 of your own money, since nobody handed the court clerk any bail money at the arraignment you'll most likely be transferred to the city/county jail at that point. Then you'll have to call family or a bail bondsman to come down with the cash, and once the cash bail has been paid you'll be released from the city/county jail.

    Note that the favorite time for club busts is friday or saturday night, early in the night, because this allows the cops to catch dancers before they have had a chance to earn much money. Since most police stations only accept cash, this also makes the odds much higher that some girls will wind up spending the weekend in jail if nobody in their family has $250-$500 cash handy until banks re-open on monday morning. Also note that virtually all "corporate" bail bond companies will NOT write a bail bond for a prostitution/lewd conduct bust - because real prostitutes have skipped bail on them so many times in the past.

    Also note that you need to take anything that a club lawyer says with a grain of salt. It's entirely possible that the club lawyer's true agenda is to pay your bail and later pay your fine on the premise that you will accept a plea bargain agreement with the DA - which effectively hands the local cops and DA a conviction (of the dancers) in exchange for the clubowner not being charged with any offense himself. While this often means that the dancer's bail will be paid by the club, and that the dancer's fine will be paid by the club after the case comes to court, it also means that the dancer's permanent record will then show a (plea bargained) conviction which is IMPOSSIBLE to expunge (erase later).

    This (plea bargained) conviction can make it impossible to obtain a dancer's license in jurisdictions which require such a license. More importantly, this (plea bargained) conviction will appear in any investigations made by prospective straight job employers, future ex-husbands/family court, or God forbid a future club bust. Therefore be very careful in accepting a "deal" from a club lawyer - the grief you save yourself in the short term may have consequences which can affect you for the rest of your life.

    I agree with Isis that having your own lawyer and having your own bail money is the best alternative. In fact, having the business card of a well known local attorney in your purse may actually save you from being charged in the first place - if the first thing you do is tell the cops the bust is totally bogus and ask to call your attorney (drop attorney's name loudly) immediately ! That way it makes the local cops think twice as to whether or not they really have enough evidence against you personally to charge you and make it stick, knowing that you and your attorney are prepared to go to trial.

    On the other hand, if you don't have any connections to an attorney of your own already, the local cops are free to assume that you'll jump at the chance to accept a plea bargain deal cooked up between the club's attorney and the DA rather than going to trial - thus the cops don't really need any hard evidence against you since your case will never actually be heard in court.

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    Back to the thread, (hopefully, VH is gone 1 way or the other), what happens to the other staff, waitresses, bar staff, etc. during raid?


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    so if you are in a club that gets raided, even though you may not be doing anything illegal at all do you get arrested as well?

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    Back to the thread, (hopefully, VH is gone 1 way or the other), what happens to the other staff, waitresses, bar staff, etc. during raid?
    This depends on how "legal" the bust is in the first place - in some cities local politicians are satisfied with a newspaper headline about a club being busted even if all the busts are bogus and even if all of the charges are later dropped (without a headline announcing that fact!). This also depends on exactly what other club workers were doing at the moment the cops busted the club (i.e. waitresses that also give private dances will probably be busted).

    warning the police might be able to confiscate any cash the dancer had on her at the time of arrest as proceeds of the illegal activity or some such thing. The recommendation there, as I recall, was to have a trusted friend not in any way associated with your club who could always be called on to supply $500-$1,000 from outside in case this occurred, even if it meant giving her/him the cash to keep under their mattress.
    I'm told that this varies according to laws of particular states and the policies of various DA's/judges in regard to money earned from regular club customers. Almost certainly any cash a dancer receives directly from an undercover cop will have been marked, and will be confiscated. It's always safer to know that a third party who would be totally uninvolved with any club bust is holding onto sufficient cash to bail you out on a Saturday night.

    I believe the blurb you are referring to was an article I wrote for the now defunct StripperPower website. A copy can still be read at .

    However, since the article was written a couple of years ago, two significant changes have begun to take place. The first is that some cities who had originally written the penalty for breaking their anti-dance club ordinance to be a violation ( legally equal to a parking ticket ) have upped the penalty to a misdemeanor ( legally equal to a prostitution, petit theft or assault charge, and leaving a black mark on your permanent record ). The second is that most courts have discovered that busted dancers can easily make $250 bail, such that the amount of bail now typically being set is in the $500 to $1000 range instead of the $250 to $500 range which was the case when the article was written.

    so if you are in a club that gets raided, even though you may not be doing anything illegal at all do you get arrested as well
    You better believe it's possible ! The thing that you must understand is that cops and judges (as well as members of juries) tend to believe the Hollywood Stereotype that every exotic dancer is a lying, thieving, drug addicted whore. As such, when cops come into a club they tend to look upon every dancer as being guilty until proven innocent. In the absence of hard evidence to prove your innocence (i.e. club security video tapes showing you did NOT dance too close in the VIP room), legally it boils down to the word of a well respected local cop versus the word of a totally non-respected stripper who the judge and jury assume will lie her ass off in order to avoid being convicted.

    Another think to keep in mind is that club busts are usually motivated by some other desire than to simply clean up the club, i.e. local politics, where the mayor/police commissioner/councilman is up for re-election. The local politician figures that a huge headline on the front page of the local newspaper stating that, thanks to his efforts, 20-50-100 strippers were busted (the more the better) will win support with mom's & pop's and bible thumping local residents (= registered voters/political contributors ). Besides, having to buy front page newspaper space for a political advertisement costs tons of money, while a club bust story also gets the politician's name and picture on the front page ... and doesn't cost the politician anything !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=27;threadid=10935;start=msg136631#msg13 6631 date=1089689715

    I'm not sure of the exact phrasing on this, but I vaguely remember reading a post a few months ago warning the police might be able to confiscate any cash the dancer had on her at the time of arrest as proceeds of the illegal activity or some such thing. The recommendation there, as I recall, was to have a trusted friend not in any way associated with your club who could always be called on to supply $500-$1,000 from outside in case this occurred, even if it meant giving her/him the cash to keep under their mattress.

    Is that a reasonable concern or completely far-fetched?
    You are right on, at least in some states the police can and will confiscate any cash you have on you when you are arrested if it's thought that you obtained it illegally. A friend of mine who is an escort got arrested by an undercover cop at the end of a busy night and they took all the money that she'd earned, which was something like $3,000-$4,000 dollars. Ouch =(
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    What are the problem areas for raids in the US right now? Just curious.

    Also, when vice busts the Vegas clubs and makes arrests for prostitution, are they arresting girls who are performing the acts we generally think of as prostitution (hj, bj, fs)? Or do they bend the law and call lapdancing, sitting in a customer's lap, etc. prostitution?

    All this stuff is so scary. I've gone to Vegas occasionally to dance and have never considered myself to be at risk of being arrested because I only do lapdances.

    Can they actually get prostitution convictions with girls who simply perform the same type of lapdances 1000s of other dancers are doing in a city like Las Vegas?

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    Can they actually get prostitution convictions with girls who simply perform the same type of lapdances 1000s of other dancers are doing in a city like Las Vegas?
    With a determined D.A. and the right sort of jury, it's entirely possible for dancers to be convicted of lewd conduct or prostitution charges. I'm not sure about the specifics of Nevada law, but in New York the state prostitution law is worded such that contact of any part of a dancer's body with a club customer's "sexual area", even if he is fully clothed, can be grounds for a conviction. This basically means that all lap dances performed in New York clubs are technically illegal. Fortunately, this law has almost never been enforced ... so far.

    Texas law is worded such that the person paying the money does not have to be the same person involved in the sexual contact. I know of a specific instance where customers were sitting in pervert row tipping the dancers on stage, and one dancer happened to touch another dancer's breast. An undercover cop busted them both on the spot and a prostitution conviction followed because both dancers were engaging in sexual contact (with each other) in exchange for money (the customers' tips).

    The fact that certain laws are being routinely broken by thousands of dancers on a daily basis and have typically never been enforced to the letter of the law does not mean that a hot shot D.A. or a mayor/judge with an axe to grind can't decide to start enforcing these laws at any time. San Francisco clubs are a perfect example. The former D.A. was on record that his policy was that SF cops would not waste time investigating dance clubs as long as nothing "leaked" out of the club and onto the sidewalk, thus SF clubs were never busted despite some extreme extras taking place in some SF clubs at least. However, SF now has a new D.A. and the new law enforcement policies have already resulted in several prostitution busts.

    Also you must remember that where a dance club ordinance, lewd conduct or prostution charge is concerned, no hard evidence is really needed because judges and juries usually already have a mindset that all strippers are lying, thieving, drug addicted whores. All a D.A. needs to do is convince the jury that they should believe the word of a well respected local cop over the word of a stripper, which in most cases is extremely easy to do. If a cop decides to bust you, short of having hard evidence of your innocence (i.e. a club security tape showing your private dance with the undercover cop did not involve any contact whatsoever) you're as good as convicted if your case comes before a jury made up of jealous housewives, bible thumpers, civil servants, retirees etc.

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    What if a dancer gets taken to jail and refuses to pay the corrupt dirtbags any money? How long would she have to stay in jail?

    Do those stupid corrupt pigs have to tell the bouncers and managers when they come into the club? If so, I would like to ask the bouncers at any club that I work in to let me know.

    Personally I think those corrupt dirtbags are pretty easy to spot. They always say "so what's your real name?"; and they always ask "how much $$ for EXACTLY what can we get away with".
    No real customer is going to ask what a lap dance is; and no real customer cares about a dancers real name.
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    What if a dancer gets taken to jail and refuses to pay the corrupt dirtbags any money? How long would she have to stay in jail?
    This depends on how far the local court calendar is backed up i.e. how far in the future her case would be scheduled into the court calendar. I would imagine at least 14 days in most places, and possibly 30 days or more in larger cities. The only "good" part of going this route is that the judge would probably sentence the dancer to time already served when he finds her guilty.

    Do those stupid corrupt pigs have to tell the bouncers and managers when they come into the club? If so, I would like to ask the bouncers at any club that I work in to let me know
    Officially, undercover cops are under no obligation whatsoever to announce their presence in a club. However, in many cities, there are "unofficial" relationships between local cops and clubowners such that advance notice IS given in exchange for things like a cash contribution to the "police widow's and orphan's fund".

    Personally I think those corrupt dirtbags are pretty easy to spot. They always say "so what's your real name?"; and they always ask "how much $$ for EXACTLY what can we get away with".
    yup - also very shiny boots, short hair, big hats (with cameras underneath), and a stiffness to their body motion ( no not THAT kind of stiffness) tend to give undercover cops away.

    The unfortunate thing, though, is that even though experienced dancers can usually spot undercover cops a mile away, new dancers often do not. All it takes is one dancer to commit a bustable offense, though, and every dancer in the club is potentially at risk.




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    Can they actually get prostitution convictions with girls who simply perform the same type of lapdances 1000s of other dancers are doing in a city like Las Vegas?
    Yes they can and do -- many times you can be arrested just for being there, even if you're just in the dressingroom getting ready-- some of the laws out there are written in such a way that even touching of the dancers leg can be considered prostitution. Many of these laws have not been enforced in decades but for political reasons are often used to get headlines in the news. Other times they are created for the same exact reason.

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    I have afunny story relating to police and their nosy little ways. Well anyways i was 18 and working at a deja vu when 3 officers, (not undercover walked in. I was onstage in a pants outfit about to take the pants off, (thongs were illegal in that particular club cuz it was a bikini bar, no nudity) so i saw them and had to keep my pants on the whole set, customers were looking at me funny like i was crazy because i couldnt take anything off. I thought that was funny for a while but it kinda ruined my money for the next hour.
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    I have no problem watching hookers being arrested from clubs, it's nice to have them cleaned out of our industry. It just sucks when the real dancers get troubled because of whores who just can't stop spreading their legs (not to mention disease).
    I'm so sorry for the girls getting messed with for a little too much nudity, or contact like boobies in the face and such... that sucks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cali_Tiffany link=board=27;threadid=10935;start=msg136491#msg13 6491 date=1089677789

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    Yes Sapphire does have some of the best Pics. Have you seen her car? Beautiful as well.

    Anyway, back to raids. They do Suck. One Club in my area gets busted every week because they have the Club in a neighborhood with an ACLF next door, Private Residences about 20 Yards away and an Elementary School just down the road.

    Thing about is though they do the raids not for Dancing or Prostitution but claim it is for Drugs. But they never find Drugs. It is just an excuse to try to force to close down and it seems to be working as the place seems dead all the time. Dancers are there but they just sit around the Bar and drink and drink.

    In some areas Clubs get raided most often near election times for local officials such as in City Council, Sheriff and County Commisioner Campaigns. Tampa Bay is notorious for Election Time Raids. i.e Mons Venus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=27;threadid=10935;start=msg138129#msg13 8129 date=1089906213
    big hats (with cameras underneath)
    Perhaps this is why hats are banned at most clubs.
    I have also seen cameras hidden in what looks like a pager worn on the belt. Sneaky bastards they are.

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