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    Has anyone here benefitted from cutting dairy products from their diet? How did you replace the calcium and fat? Do you drink soy milk instead?

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    Supplements,supplements,supplements.
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    I do yogurt, and drink soy milk. I get my share of calcium from a small cup of yogurt a day, and a soy drink 3 times a week, along with calcium in my multi, and my diet.

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    I have long stopped drinking cow milk, & eat goat cheese as per herbalist's advice. I use soy milk, but prefer rice milk (has added calcium) also use supplements.


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    I am reading this as I'm finishing a glass of chocolate milk.....

    I am not big on dairy - primarily milk, so I only really have dairy a few imes a week and in small amounts. Should I cut this completely from my diet? I actually have made sure I drink alittle bit of milk becuase I just never get and calcium!
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    I've cut out all dairy from my diet. Personally, I feel more bloated when I eat chesse, milk, etc. The only dairy I still eat about 3x a week is fat free cottage chesse. As for supplements for calcium I've been taking Viactiv. It seems pretty good.

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    Dairy products aren't that evil, but you can benefit from avoiding them.

    Replacing the calcium shouldn't be a problem since dairy products aren't a good source anyway. They contain a lot of calcium, but it's mostly unusable anyway. Most gets excreted into the urine by the kidney. (This is for two reasons: 1. the acid-base ratio is thrown off by consuming a lot of dairy products, with the result that calcium is excreted, and 2. your body can use calcium only when it's in a proper ratio with magnesium; but dairy products contain a lot of calcium but hardly any magnesium.)

    Leafy green vegetables are a better source of calcium that dairy anyway because the calcium you get from them is more usable.

    (If you do eat dairy, you should take a magnesium supplement at night; but take one that does not contain calcium.)
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    I still like cow's milk in my cereal and like gourmet cheeses once in a while.

    But I mostly get my calcuim now from leafy green vegetables and non-dairy sources primarily for the reasons mentioned by SusanV. Kale and Spinach are great sources, try sauteeing quickly with a little olive oil and maybe some garlic. Good stuff.
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    Ouch! Dairy - my weakness is ice-cream! That's the only dairy in my diet...!
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    I'm eating ice cream right now, but it's NOT for the nutritional content...it just tastes goooood!
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    From memory sesamae seeds, chamomile tea, organic oranges and brocoli are good sources of calcium. If you eat a diet that includes alot of fresh vegetables and nuts you should be alright. If you take a calcium suppliment you should take magnesium too otherwise the calcium can deplete the bodie of magnesium. Alot of calcium suppliments arn't absorbed into the body easily. The ones made form animal sources are the ones to avoid apparently.

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    What Susan V said.

    You can't actually break down the animal enzymes in dairy products, and this inhibits calcium absorption--but green leafy vegetables and some citrus fruis offer much more calcium. Once you've weaned yourself off of dairy as a regular component of your diet, it's not hard to just have it for the taste. You'll also find yourself less prone to congestion and swelling of mucus membranes, particularly as your sensititivity to dairy products gets more pronounced with age. Some folks (self included) also find that their skin is healthier as the result of fewer hormones and antibiotics used in dairy production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SusanV link=board=5;threadid=10998;start=msg138428#msg138 428 date=1089932892
    Dairy products aren't that evil, but you can benefit from avoiding them.

    Replacing the calcium shouldn't be a problem since dairy products aren't a good source anyway. They contain a lot of calcium, but it's mostly unusable anyway. Most gets excreted into the urine by the kidney. (This is for two reasons: 1. the acid-base ratio is thrown off by consuming a lot of dairy products, with the result that calcium is excreted, and 2. your body can use calcium only when it's in a proper ratio with magnesium; but dairy products contain a lot of calcium but hardly any magnesium.)

    Leafy green vegetables are a better source of calcium that dairy anyway because the calcium you get from them is more usable.

    (If you do eat dairy, you should take a magnesium supplement at night; but take one that does not contain calcium.)
    exactly....


    and I would like to add that we are not made to process milk. when we are young we can easily digest human milk. but the regular milk at the store was made for baby cows and we are neither babys or cows. so thats why a lot of people have lactose intolerence, milk alergies, excess mucus, bloating, gas, etc from too much dairy consumption.

    when I was a baby I was one of the few that had a quite bad milk allergy. I 'grew out of it', but not really. I do not drink cow milk now, only soy milk (sun soy vannilla is my favorite, but silk plain is good for cooking). soyogert is really good, nothing like regular yogert, sweeter. if i do drink milk (useually only in shake form) I get lots of excess mucus in my throat and my nose stuffs up, and if I get way too much dairy I get messed up on the other end too.......

    I do take a calcium supplement, one with magnesium, vitamin D and boron (?). I also take vitamin B complex, and after my surgery I will take vitamin E (cant right now, might make complications). oh and since I am veg, I get the vegitarian non-lactose kind.

    I really only eat cheese as a major milk product. but thats because my husband hates the veggie cheese (I think its good, but limited in variety, have you ever seen it in munster?) other sources of milk you may not think about: nougut (like in a milkyway or 3 musketeer), caramel color (like in soda), certain sources of potassium.

    heres a link to a list:
    http://www.lpch.org/DiseaseHealthInf...ergy/milk.html

    but of course that extreem is not really nessasary as living like that (reading every single lable and talking extensivly with servers) is very difficult.....

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    calcium - magnesium - manganese.

    Milk is a horrible source of calcium, and the more that women drink during menopause, the more calcium deficient they become. Milk actually has WAY to much pritien for an adult human (keep in mind it was made for rapidly growing baby COWS) that it actually pulls calcium OUT of the bones to buffer the acidity of the excess protien from dairy. Dariy is naturally slightly alkaline in it's raw form (the way cows drink it) but acidic when pasteurized. It is more alkaline (GOOD) when it comes from grass fed cows which are not uesd in factory farming. Good old grass for food has been replaced with soy, grain, sawdust, newspaper and other foods not designed for cows. This further damages the nutrition content, becsaue sawdust, soy, grain, and newspaper cannot be properly digested and assimilated by cows, hence weakened immune systems and diseases like mad cow...

    Furthermore, new scientigfic information is showing that humans actually biologically transmutate the mineral manganese into magnesium which is further biologically transmatated into calcium. The milk council does not want you to know this. They are making billions selling mineral deficient, chemical laden, pesticide and antibiotic ridden, mucous forming, cooked crap.

    1 once read the 4 worst things to eat are

    white milk
    white flour
    white sugar
    white salt

    They call them the white death, I agree...

    Besides Ami, you point out all teh symptoms you have from milk, yet you still consume it. Why are you doing that to your body? Maybe your body is trying to tell you it does not want milk.

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    The milk council does not want you to know this. They are making billions selling mineral deficient, chemical laden, pesticide and antibiotic ridden, mucous forming, cooked crap.
    Agreed.

    The American Dairy Council is a doing a terrible disservice to the public, especially considering their disdain for organic dairy farming methodologies.
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    NOOOOOOOO!! Don't take away my cheese!!!!!!!! My precious.. precious cheese........!!!!!!!!!

    Seriously, it is the only diary thing I would have a VERY hard time giving up. I have cheese with EVERYTHING. The joke is that I don't have [insert food here] and cheese... I have cheese and [insert food here]. LOL

    How would someone, like myself, who absolutely LOOOOVES her cheese go about ridding myself of it?

    As far as milk goes... ever since I started on Himalayan Goji Juice I've found myself drinking it less. I drank the No Fat variety anyway lol Just that I do like Milo and Milk.. yumm.. bad habits die hard.



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    I have mixed feelings about dairy products. My dad works in the dairy industry and I know of the environmental impact of the business. On the other hand, I ain't giving up on milk. I love goat's milk, but it's very expensive.
    I do believe some farmers are unscrupulous and cruel, and would feed their cows sawdust and newspaper. However, I can say my dad's dairy feeds their cows grain, corn, sorghum and oats. Those Holsteins eat better than I do, LOL!
    I've never had a bad reaction to milk except for when I had food poisoning from tainted shellfish (revenge of the bivalve!) and the good bacteria in my digestive system was killed off- I couldn't digest the milk sugar, it was agony.
    I drank soy milk for a while, but I didn't notice any difference. Rice milk is good, but the most widely available brand I know of (Horchata) is very, very sweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine link=board=5;threadid=10998;start=msg141424#msg141 424 date=1090420339
    I have mixed feelings about dairy products. My dad works in the dairy industry and I know of the environmental impact of the business. On the other hand, I ain't giving up on milk. I love goat's milk, but it's very expensive.
    I do believe some farmers are unscrupulous and cruel, and would feed their cows sawdust and newspaper. However, I can say my dad's dairy feeds their cows grain, corn, sorghum and oats. Those Holsteins eat better than I do, LOL!
    I've never had a bad reaction to milk except for when I had food poisoning from tainted shellfish (revenge of the bivalve!) and the good bacteria in my digestive system was killed off- I couldn't digest the milk sugar, it was agony.
    I drank soy milk for a while, but I didn't notice any difference. Rice milk is good, but the most widely available brand I know of (Horchata) is very, very sweet.

    Cows are designed to eat GRASS, not grains. The reason they feed them grain is because it is cheap and it cannot be properly digested by the cows so it gets stroed as fat and makes the cows gain weight rapidly. Hence more money for the farmer and an inferior meat for the consumer. Grass fed beef is up to 80% lower in fat, and has much, much higher vitamin and mineral content. The same goes for raw (not pasteurized) grass fed milk and cheese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYAN link=board=5;threadid=10998;start=msg142415#msg142 415 date=1090544175
    Quote Originally Posted by madmaxine link=board=5;threadid=10998;start=msg141424#msg141 424 date=1090420339
    I have mixed feelings about dairy products. My dad works in the dairy industry and I know of the environmental impact of the business. On the other hand, I ain't giving up on milk. I love goat's milk, but it's very expensive.
    I do believe some farmers are unscrupulous and cruel, and would feed their cows sawdust and newspaper. However, I can say my dad's dairy feeds their cows grain, corn, sorghum and oats. Those Holsteins eat better than I do, LOL!
    I've never had a bad reaction to milk except for when I had food poisoning from tainted shellfish (revenge of the bivalve!) and the good bacteria in my digestive system was killed off- I couldn't digest the milk sugar, it was agony.
    I drank soy milk for a while, but I didn't notice any difference. Rice milk is good, but the most widely available brand I know of (Horchata) is very, very sweet.

    Cows are designed to eat GRASS, not grains. The reason they feed them grain is because it is cheap and it cannot be properly digested by the cows so it gets stroed as fat and makes the cows gain weight rapidly. Hence more money for the farmer and an inferior meat for the consumer. Grass fed beef is up to 80% lower in fat, and has much, much higher vitamin and mineral content. The same goes for raw (not pasteurized) grass fed milk and cheese.
    Wanted to add that cows fed a natural diet also have CLA...

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    Dairy products keep me regular,on top of eating fiber rich cereals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RYAN link=board=5;threadid=10998;start=msg141219#msg141 219 date=1090378168
    Besides Ami, you point out all teh symptoms you have from milk, yet you still consume it. Why are you doing that to your body? Maybe your body is trying to tell you it does not want milk.
    I know it doesnt want milk, it never has.

    and I dont drink actual milk, only other dairy products, milk is the only one that has major problems associated with it for me.....

    but theres not much else I can do anyway. I live in a very anti-veg area right now, its hard enough just finding anything to eat. my husband had a 10 minute conversation with some stocker at the grocery store who didnt know what the diffrence between vegtable eggrolls, and vegtable eggrolls with pork was. he kept saying these have vegtables in them, and my husband kept saying and yes, but they also have meat. it was really quite sad.

    and a a restraunt here I odered vegtable soup, after haveing a lengthy converstaion with the server about whats really vegtable soup. and she brought me vegtabels in a nice flesh sauce. eww.

    then you add in my husband. hes a cheeseaholic. I told him to live with me he couldnt have rotting animals in the house. he agreed. so now as a lot of non-veg people with no meat do, he eats more cheese. since I dont really cook, he just makes stuff and puts it in front of me. he does make an excellent grilled cheese though... He did get used to soymilk fairly quickly, and cooks with it now, although he rarely if ever drinks it. but he still absoulutly hates vegicheese. he also doesnt like wheat pasta, wheat bread, or brown rice. I just hope our kids like some of that stuff so I have someone to share with someday......

    to give up milk entirely I would also have to give up: store bought pesto (basicly pesto entirely because I am too lazy to make it from scratch all the time), some sobes, nougout (not a bad thing to give up), dinner with my husband, stuffed pastas.... etc..... its not that big of a problem to bother with all that, although if I lived in a non-dairy community I would do just fine.

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