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    Hello everyone!

    I work in Toronto at a very upscale club. Private dancing is mostly done by the hour at a set rate for the girl plus the room rental. The other night I had a few too many , and ended up going in the private room with a guy and two of his friends plus two other dancers. There was only half an hour left of the night, so the waitress mentioned the room and dance fees would be cut in half. So I was supposed to get paid $130 for the half hour. Now, I knew one of the guys was going to pay with a credit card- this means 10% is taken out of my earnings. I decided the hell with that, and convinced my guy that I will go home with him if he paid me $160 on the spot (8 legitimate songs have passed). He said OK and gave me the money. I took the money and took off without speaking to him again.
    Now I'm afraid the two other girls will gang up on me for A) making such a promise (for all they know I could've kept it) and B) taking more money than was supposedly owed to me ($30 more).
    I'm afraid to show my face in the club, but it's an amazing club to work at! Can anyone help me? What if I get confonted by the girls or management? What should I say? :'(

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    I think you should practice better integrity. My suggestion is if you see the guy then maybe you should refund the money that was what he paid for.

    However, I am not sure what he gave you $160.00 for. was it for the Previous Time that just passed or did you take the $160.00 from him with him expecting more time with you?. If it was the fee that he was to pay for the passed time, then I think it is O.k if he agreed to the fee. But, if you are supposed to give the Club a cut and you agreed to it in advance then you should pay the cut.

    However, personally I do not like Clubs and Other Agencies so much of a cut from Dancers. The Dancer is the one doing all the work.

    One club in my area takes a cut of $150.00 for a Private Area out of $300.00 that is charged by many Dancers. However a Dancer can accept less or more as long as the Club gets $150.00. That $150.00 is for a half hour in a semi cubicle room with a sheet at the entry. I think the Club should get no more then $25.00 and only for security. btw, I do not go in that back room at the club I am mentioning. I dont like paying Agents for the company of a Dancer especially at such a fee for a crappy cubicle.

    Anyway, my recommendation is to have a set fee and abide by it. if a Customers wants to give more $$ then that should be fine. But in any case. A Dancer would do better to be Professional and Honest in her work just as everyone else in any field should be.


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    Though I don't particularly disagree with ripping off a customer in subtle ways I.e.: adding an extra dance to a drunk rich guy's tab, ganging up with shooter girl for profit & getting someone sloshed, etc.,since most of them are worthliss pussy-grabbing shit, but I think that outright lying like you did (promise sex, take money) is pretty bad. This is not a moral judgment, its only logical. Think about it..

    -guy could get pissed and call cops, obvioustly just make up some story bout how you overcharged and he realized in the car after he'd left and wants to press charges... anything to ruin your night

    -try the same thing again with cash and I guarontee he will tell the Manager/Owner later that night that you picked his pocket (has happened before in many an upscale club..)

    -the other girls probabally heard and hate you since they think that either a) you fuck for $ (and Only $200 to boot!) which seriously ruins the entire point of the club and causes clean dancers bad nights of indecent proposal OR b) they know you fucked thr guy over, and that if he's a wanna-be-gangster or nut job HE WILL BE BACK, and if you're not around he might think your 'friends' are good enough to get some payback. Who knows what.

    word will get around and all the girls will want you out of the club.

    You should tell the 2 girls that you made a mistake off being druunk and having a bad night, and that's not how you operate on the regular.

    Peace.

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    All that much ado over $30 lousy dollars.Girl,I'm sure you know by now it wasn't worth it.Now you've hurt your chances for future income in this club.Go back to the club and see what happens.It you get too much heat for it,go to another club.
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    Most likely nothing will happen. Most clubowners only care about their bottom line, and ultimately what you did (as far as the owners are concerned) is increase their bottom line by upping your fee and therefore upping the club's credit card cut. The girls may or may not have known what you did, but either way it really doesn't matter. There's not much they can do, and if they give you any trouble you can handle it without much grief if you do it right.

    I am NOT in any way condoning this behaviour, and will say that it's definitely not good business to make a habit of this. But if this is the only time you've done that, I'd say don't worry about it, just don't do it again. You should never promise more than you can/will deliver.

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    I wouldnt have done that, but since you did, you did hurt your chances of this guy ever spening anymore money on you. For $30 more, I think it was a bad trade.
    But if you're new at this, then you'll learn as you go. Just make sure you definitely dont do it again.
    Word of mouth spreads quick, and guys will start to talk about the girl who "promises" but doesnt follow up.
    Be careful, too...you may run into the wrong kind of person one day by doing that.


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    Doing these type of thing is crossing the line from being a stripper and being a con artist. By all means I know Im not perfect. When I first started dancing I let this other dancer talk me into going along with a similar scam and I felt guilty for a long time. Its just not worth it! This is why there is a lot of negativity about strippers. I mean, put yourself in the guys shoes. He probably left feeling use and cheated and will never go to a strip club again. Plus it make your club and co workers look bad also, hense the saying all strippers are prostitutes. Any way, try to be more careful in the future and if any of the girls give you trouble just tell them you didnt say it. They cant prove it.

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    LMAO I love an honest woman Rip that customer off!! Hes just a loser for being at the club anyways!! Thats why I make a point of stopping my alcohol consumption long before signing the CC receipt.

    You are probably looking for vindication but most of the women here are straight up business people from what Ive seen. They expect to get paid for services rendered but I dont belive many are ROB's. Guess we'll see what the posts reveal.

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    Thats why I make a point of stopping my alcohol consumption long before signing the CC receipt.
    Agreed. Alcohol has been known to induce and exacerbate PL Syndrome (in more places than SCs), thus my general aversion to drinking.

    That said, earning the title of ROB won't help you either.
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    That was a really fucked up thing to do. It makes both you and the club look bad. You're lucky you didn't see any retribution for that from the guy, the other girls and the club. I honestly wouldn't know what to tell you to do about it now, except just be sure not to do something like that again.

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    Okay, I don't agree with what she did either, but calm down. You guys are being a little harsh. She wasn't "bragging about it". She said she was drunk and made a mistake. I'm sure you've all done something like that too. At least she learned a lesson and feels guilty about it. It doesn't mean she should get out of the business. You can't go back and re-do things you've done, so just learn from them.

    To the original poster: good luck in your situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noelle link=board=27;threadid=11097;start=msg139570#msg13 9570 date=1090114890
    Okay, I don't agree with what she did either, but calm down. You guys are being a little harsh. She wasn't "bragging about it". She said she was drunk and made a mistake. I'm sure you've all done something like that too. At least she learned a lesson and feels guilty about it. It doesn't mean she should get out of the business. You can't go back and re-do things you've done, so just learn from them.

    To the original poster: good luck in your situation.
    Sorry, I wasn't clear. Meea was not bragging about it, but shes_so_blonde was. Meea made a mistake - she admitted it and shit happens. What I was reacting to was blonde's post which (paraphrasing) said it is okay to rip off customers in small ways, and that the customers she rips off deserve it. Blah... Sorry, but if you are going to intentionally rip customers off and brag about it at least just be honest and admit you like to rip people off... don't blaim the victim. Anyway....

    I will delete the other post because if it wasn't clear to you it probably won't be clear to others.



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    sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't only replying to you, though. It seems like most of these messages are just berating her for something she already knows was wrong.
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    It's somewhat interesting to see all of the different viewpoints here. As an occasional customer, I think that any man who goes into a club and believes that the stripper has somehow fallen for him is a dumbass.

    The strippers job is to entertain. Period. As long as both parties understand what's going on, there should be no problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shes_so_blonde link=board=27;threadid=11097;start=msg139181#msg13 9181 date=1090034908
    Though I don't particularly disagree with ripping off a customer in subtle ways I.e.: adding an extra dance to a drunk rich guy's tab, ganging up with shooter girl for profit & getting someone sloshed, etc.,since most of them are worthliss pussy-grabbing shit, but I think that outright lying like you did (promise sex, take money) is pretty bad. This is not a moral judgment, its only logical. Think about it..
    Right. And all dancers love to rip off every cent out of a customer to the point of outright thievery, mostly to feed their drug habit and pay off their pimp boyfriends.

    Nothing quite like perpetuating a stereotype, is there?

    Anyone who "rips off" a customer in subtle or not so subtle ways will get their ass bitten in the end somehow, someway, the same way a customer who rips off a dancer will somehow, someway. Dancers put up with enough shit as it is to worry about a customer being legitimately angry at them, which can lead to anger at dancers in general. It just feed a vicious circle, and no one wins.


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    Let me put this from a former mangement type position. I dont know what the laws in Canada are, but if that had been an udercover in most states in USA, promising to go home with him for money is concidered solicitation of prostitution, bottom line and you would have been cuffed and stuffed with the owner/M.O.D. Going to jail on a pimp charge, Ive seen it happen for less. So be careful what you say, because you never know whos listening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noelle link=board=27;threadid=11097;start=msg139570#msg13 9570 date=1090114890
    Okay, I don't agree with what she did either, but calm down. You guys are being a little harsh. She wasn't "bragging about it". She said she was drunk and made a mistake. I'm sure you've all done something like that too. At least she learned a lesson and feels guilty about it. It doesn't mean she should get out of the business. You can't go back and re-do things you've done, so just learn from them.

    To the original poster: good luck in your situation.
    I didnt mean to come down harsh, only told her not to do it again. (some guys can get a little more pissed than the guy she had) And no, I have never pulled something like that, and never will. (my clubs dont serve liquor anyway) but even if they did, I wouldnt.

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    Yup, you did a bad thing.

    I was guilty of doing the same thing exactly once and never did it again. Although I did it for an extra 2 hours in the VIP at $400 an hour, not $30 ($30 Canadian dollars?). Monetary amount doesn't offset the fact that I still did a shitty thing by basically taking advantage of a drunk and lonely guy.

    I still feel guilty about it, especially writing about it now.

    You can't do anything about what already happened. Just don't ever do it again. Go back to your club and be an exemplary employee from now on.

    There is always an element of teasing and little white lies that go along with our job, but it should never be anyone's intention to outright deceive someone for money. I'm not a Buddhist, but I have to say in my years on this planet I've seen enough to believe in Karma to a certain degree.
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    A strip club is not a brothel.
    Prostitution is not legal here in the U.S.. Is it legal in Canada?
    In the U.S. a customer can't go to the cops or a strip club owner and say that he was trying to talk a stripper into becoming a prostitute.
    How come no one has mentioned how wrong it is for a John to try to turn a stripper into a hooker?
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    How come no one has mentioned how wrong it is for a John to try to turn a stripper into a hooker?
    Probably because of "selective law enforcement" policies by local police - i.e. they'll bust dancers in a new york minute but very seldom attempt to bust clubowners and even more seldom attempt to bust club customers. After all, that club customer may have connections to city hall, or own a major business in the area, or othewise be in a position to bring shit down on the cop's head !

    I dont know what the laws in Canada are, but if that had been an udercover in most states in USA, promising to go home with him for money is concidered solicitation of prostitution, bottom line and you would have been cuffed and stuffed with the owner/M.O.D. Going to jail on a pimp charge, Ive seen it happen for less. So be careful what you say, because you never know whos listening.
    I agree that in some strict US cities these are legitimate worries, but we're talking about Toronto here where it's not unusual to see dancer's heads bobbing up and down in private dance rooms ! In reality, a Toronto dancer leading a customer to believe that she would go home with him after the club closed for the purpose of sex for money isn't going to introduce any new customer impressions of available sleaze factor, because the sleaze factor is already pretty widespread. I don't personally agree with what the Toronto dancer did from an ethical standpoint, but she certainly hasn't done any additional harm to the Toronto strip club industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexi link=board=27;threadid=11097;start=msg139637#msg13 9637 date=1090131525
    Quote Originally Posted by noelle link=board=27;threadid=11097;start=msg139570#msg13 9570 date=1090114890
    Okay, I don't agree with what she did either, but calm down. You guys are being a little harsh. She wasn't "bragging about it". She said she was drunk and made a mistake. I'm sure you've all done something like that too. At least she learned a lesson and feels guilty about it. It doesn't mean she should get out of the business. You can't go back and re-do things you've done, so just learn from them.

    To the original poster: good luck in your situation.
    I didnt mean to come down harsh, only told her not to do it again. (some guys can get a little more pissed than the guy she had) And no, I have never pulled something like that, and never will. (my clubs dont serve liquor anyway) but even if they did, I wouldnt.
    Eeek! No, I meant that we've all gotten drunk and made mistakes, not we've all gotten drunk and cheated some guy out of his money. Haha, sorry.
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    Aside from the fact that this guy maybe hates all strippers now and might never go to a club again, my real concern would be for your safety. You never know what kind of psycho you are pissing off. What if he came back to the club to get back at you for ripping him off? You never know now-a-day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noelle link=board=27;threadid=11097;start=msg139722#msg13 9722 date=1090161806

    Eeek! No, I meant that we've all gotten drunk and made mistakes, not we've all gotten drunk and cheated some guy out of his money. Haha, sorry.
    Gotcha. I was gonna say! hehehe

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    Do not feel guilty. You're eye was on his money and that is where it should be. What you did was called puffing...a common sales technique. Its like a girlscout saying to a housewife that her cookies are as good as sex when she knows they're not. You could have been at a cocktail lounge and said the same thing to this guy after he dropped money on you too. We men always hope for sex...and we are used to getting shot down...just the thought that you were interested enough even for moment to see this guy as yourself outside the club most likely made his whole night and next day...in fact he probably will be back looking for you again. We're weak that way.

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    I think everyone else has already given you their opinions on what you did...so I will leave that part alone.

    I think you should just go back to work...if its brought up...appologize ..say you were drunk and leave it at that. I dont really think that is enough to get you fired...
    but you may have animocity with the other girls...try and laugh it off and hopefully they will too...
    good luck



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