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    Every time a strippers union is mentioned there seems to be a lot of negative feedback.
    How about a PAC? Instead of paying the club owners $50+ in hopes of making a profit why not keep the power and control for ourselves? After all it's our money that we earn through our own hard work. Why should we have all of that money extorted from us and forfeit all of our rights to be treated like any other worker?
    These greedy club owners use our $$ to pay off the cops and politicians which renders us powerless. I think that we should put our money to work for us not a couple of greedy crooked millionaires.
    Let's face it, guys don't go to strip clubs to see a bunch of fat hairy ass managers, DJ's, valet guys and bouncers.
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    Default Re:Political Action Committee for Strippers

    Problem is, you need a highly motivated, coordinated individual to spearhead such a project, who has the charisma and connections to get lots of other people on board with them. Anyone want to volunteer?

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    Wow. Tough issue. I think because we don't recieve health benifits or other benefits like a 401k plan it is a great idea, look what the screen actors guild does for actors. It's the same thing only we're on a stage and their on a screen. I am in favor.
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    guys don't go to strip clubs to see a bunch of fat hairy ass managers, DJ's, valet guys and bouncers
    Hey.....speak for yourself.
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    Default Re:Political Action Committee for Strippers

    Quote Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite link=board=27;threadid=11152;start=msg140065#msg14 0065 date=1090217597
    Every time a strippers union is mentioned there seems to be a lot of negative feedback.
    How about a PAC? Instead of paying the club owners $50+ in hopes of making a profit why not keep the power and control for ourselves? After all it's our money that we earn through our own hard work. Why should we have all of that money extorted from us and forfeit all of our rights to be treated like any other worker?
    These greedy club owners use our $$ to pay off the cops and politicians which renders us powerless. I think that we should put our money to work for us not a couple of greedy crooked millionaires.
    Let's face it, guys don't go to strip clubs to see a bunch of fat hairy ass managers, DJ's, valet guys and bouncers.
    I think your trying to piss up a rope in alaska.

    I sure do get tired of seeing entertainers ,who make more money then most of the population,bitching about the cost of doing business,in an illegal business setting.
    If where you work they take more then what you think is ok,change clubs.
    If you got a better mousetrap,open your own club,show the industry how wrong they are.
    This world looks different from the stage,the dj booth,and the front office.Your post leads me to belive that your only looking at things from one side.

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    First of all, in most places, strippers are considered "independent contractors" and pay to do business in the establishment just as any other "independent contractors" would... like antique dealers for example. I like it how it is. Being an "independent contractor" instead of an actual employee give us the freedom to come to work when we want, switch clubs with no notice, and many other freedoms that actual employees wouldn't have.

    In addition, I agree with BigGreenMnM in that you're just looking at it from one side. Most clubs put the tip out towards paying to get you out of jail if a raid occurs and you're arrested for something they feel you shouldn't have been arrested for. Not only do they pay the couple hundred dollars bail for you (usually), but they also pay the couple THOUSAND dollar fine for each dancer arrested.

    Sure the club owners make lots of money, but they don't HAVE to bail you out of jail either...

    As for a PAC or Strippers Union, I watch something on HBO about a year ago about a Stipper Union in California somewhere. I think the only places where it would be appropriate are the locations that require dancers to hold schedules. Most clubs will not charge tip out more than they think the dancers can afford its usually about equivilent to other clubs in the same area. One of the things I like most about my job is the freedom to work when I want to and take off when I need to study for classes, and fighting for rights as an employee will ruin that.

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    The only reason that these raids happen is so that the politicians get free advertising on the front page of the local newpaper. If we were to take charge and fight for our rights as human beings they would have to take us seriously and quit scapegoating us. We deserve better.

    Here are a few quotes that I think are important for any dancer to consider. I found this info under STRIPPING GENERAL / RAIDS

    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=27;threadid=10935;start=msg137146#msg13 7146 date=1089755465
    Another think to keep in mind is that club busts are usually motivated by some other desire than to simply clean up the club, i.e. local politics, where the mayor/police commissioner/councilman is up for re-election. The local politician figures that a huge headline on the front page of the local newspaper stating that, thanks to his efforts, 20-50-100 strippers were busted (the more the better) will win support with mom's & pop's and bible thumping local residents (= registered voters/political contributors ). Besides, having to buy front page newspaper space for a political advertisement costs tons of money, while a club bust story also gets the politician's name and picture on the front page ... and doesn't cost the politician anything !
    quote=Melonie link=board=27;threadid=10935;start=msg136289#msg13 6289 date=1089656234]
    Also note that you need to take anything that a club lawyer says with a grain of salt. It's entirely possible that the club lawyer's true agenda is to pay your bail and later pay your fine on the premise that you will accept a plea bargain agreement with the DA - which effectively hands the local cops and DA a conviction (of the dancers) in exchange for the clubowner not being charged with any offense himself. While this often means that the dancer's bail will be paid by the club, and that the dancer's fine will be paid by the club after the case comes to court, it also means that the dancer's permanent record will then show a (plea bargained) conviction which is IMPOSSIBLE to expunge (erase later).

    This (plea bargained) conviction can make it impossible to obtain a dancer's license in jurisdictions which require such a license. More importantly, this (plea bargained) conviction will appear in any investigations made by prospective straight job employers, future ex-husbands/family court, or God forbid a future club bust. Therefore be very careful in accepting a "deal" from a club lawyer - the grief you save yourself in the short term may have consequences which can affect you for the rest of your life.

    I agree with Isis that having your own lawyer and having your own bail money is the best alternative. In fact, having the business card of a well known local attorney in your purse may actually save you from being charged in the first place - if the first thing you do is tell the cops the bust is totally bogus and ask to call your attorney (drop attorney's name loudly) immediately ! That way it makes the local cops think twice as to whether or not they really have enough evidence against you personally to charge you and make it stick, knowing that you and your attorney are prepared to go to trial.

    On the other hand, if you don't have any connections to an attorney of your own already, the local cops are free to assume that you'll jump at the chance to accept a plea bargain deal cooked up between the club's attorney and the DA rather than going to trial - thus the cops don't really need any hard evidence against you since your case will never actually be heard in court.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly link=board=27;threadid=10935;start=msg138269#msg13 8269 date=1089918998
    Can they actually get prostitution convictions with girls who simply perform the same type of lapdances 1000s of other dancers are doing in a city like Las Vegas?
    Yes they can and do -- many times you can be arrested just for being there, even if you're just in the dressingroom getting ready-- some of the laws out there are written in such a way that even touching of the dancers leg can be considered prostitution. Many of these laws have not been enforced in decades but for political reasons are often used to get headlines in the news. Other times they are created for the same exact reason.
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    Default Re:Political Action Committee for Strippers

    A dancers' PAC or Lobbying group is not a bad idea. But I question how effective it might be, because most of the issues arise at the local level. After all, clubowners ARE permanent local residents, do know many members of the local business community, do have an investment in a brick and mortar business which provides jobs to that community. Even so, they still often lose when it comes down to local politics.

    In comparison, dancers are not necessarily local residents, dancers have little or no outside the club associations with local businessmen or residents, dancers definitely have nothing at all invested in a permanent business, and dancers do not (officially at least) provide jobs for anybody. This will probably translate into local officials paying much less attention to a dancers' PAC or Lobbying group than they pay to local clubowners.

    On a national level, a dancers' PAC or Lobbying group could probably be more effective, by appealing to federal elected officials about the first amendment aspect of exotic dancing. However, this might also make them a very ripe national target for criticism by the conservative right, which might actually set back the cause instead of advancing it.

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    I believe strippers get fucked over all the time. I wish they could somehow organize or figure out a way to not be on the short end of the stick.

    Melonie made some great posts awhile back about the pros and cons of organizing vs staying with independent contractor status. I guess Im not sure which way would provide the most benefit for the ladies. As a Junkie I just want you guys to stick around

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    If the major emphasis made this election by people like P.Diddy and the Young Democrats to get "normal" people like most of us are out to vote is successful, it will be a powerful shot in the arm to us "normal" people that our vote makes a difference and in time we will outnumber the conservatives.

    Once that happens, the focus by politicians on making "sin" busts will not have the impact they are getting now as dollars spent on sex industry busts will be seen as wasted money by the "normal" majority.

    That is why it is vitally important that all the efforts made this election to oust Bush and his conservative cronies becomes reality.

    There are more easy going laid back people in this country than conservatives but we have never organized before thus we have lost ground.

    We win this election and stay organized and eventually overly harsh drug laws,censorship,abortion,and sexually oriented business witch hunts will gradually become history.

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