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    There seems to be a lot of threads where prostitution is being discussed as a secondary topic - so I'll make it a primary topic for a moment.

    What exactly is the legal reason for banning prostitution? I've never paid anyone for sex, per se. That is, there has never been a financial requirement other paying for dinner and a movie and attempting to come across as a genuinely decent human being.

    But I am curious what the reason for making it illegal is, other than the presumption that it is morally "wrong". Perhaps my view is off-base...but I personally do not see an issue with it. Guy wants sex. Woman wants money. Woman says "Sure, I'll nail ya, but I want $100." Guy says "Cool." Uglies bumped...both parties satisfied.

    Morality is subjective. Religion shouldn't (personal opinion) be a factor. What's left?
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    I wish they would legalize it...then there wouldnt be so many morons on here just trying to get a piece :-/

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    Just a quick answer cuz I got to go off to work...

    1) I think they try to make it illegal for health safety reasons. There always has been syphilis (which will make ya go crazy) and other STDs - now days there is the biggie AIDS.

    2) It ain't victimless if ya bring an STD back home to your partner.

    3) Suppossedly a family wrecker - which does lend at least finanacial stability and emotional stability for the kids. Plenty of divorce and cheating without prostitution though.

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    Aside from the moralistic, busybody factor (which can not be overstated) there are also issues like coercion into and slavery-like associations. Daddy selling daughter to a brothel for 3 years is not unknown in certain parts of the world.

    Add Women not in the business being mistaken for persons in the profession. ( An example of which is "clean" dancers being asked for and pressured for "extras"). This quality of life consideration is not trivial.

    Nimby considerations-few people want to raise their kids across the street from a brothel

    Add disease considerations, as previously mentioned, as well as a fair percentage of the female population who are not keen on hubby stepping out on them and you have a sufficient number of people in a democracy to pass laws against it. Law becomes custom and reinforces it. Add that if it were legal the price would go down, and you have participants opposing legalization.

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    Because government feels that they need to make everyone's mind for them. And, because those same government officials who feel that any form of adultery is abhorrent and needs to be "controlled"...probably because they have so many affairs they feel that everyone else does to. Oh, and yeah...so when they catch a pro and john, the city can make some money.

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    But its ok to do it for free.

    What a crazy world we live in.
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    What I find especially amusing on this issue is the silence of the liberal and women's organizations that argue that the government has no right to tell women what they can and can't do with their own bodies when discussing the abortion issue (conveniently ignoring the fact that there are already many laws on the books which do exactly that.) One other thought - legalizing prostitution with proper safeguards would lower the health risks, not raise them. As would legalizing many illegal drugs for that matter. Don't look for logic to play a role any time soon on any of these kinds of issue.
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    FONDL,

    You are beating a dead horse of course legalizing both prostitution and drugs would make it safer and also make the government a huge amount of money in taxes but even though there are a great many liberals that might go for the idea the problem will stop at the president they would be forever known as the president that destroyed americas moral fiber just face it we live in a backwards country oppressed my its own sense of morality

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    The "legal reasons" offered in support of the prohibition are many and, at least insofar as the U.S.is concerned, seem to vary widely depending upon which part of the country you're considering. But it's just an illusion, as not only the underlying reasons but, "mechanically speaking", the overriding failures of our forefathers are the same, coast to coast, with Nevada (of all places!!) being the sole exception. In sum, this is but one of the many examples of our fundamental failure to keep church and state separate, despite knowing better from the very start. And on the "flip-side", so to speak, it's yet another example of how far we've strayed from the basic premise, i.e., the government should stay out of people's lives as much as possible - meaning so long as I'm not causing harm to another, the government should not have any say-so in what I choose to do or how I decide to behave. And that means gambling, drinking, drugs, sex, the whole nine yards... so long as we're talking about consenting adults who are pulling their own weight in society and not causing physical harm to other people and/or others' property in the process, the government should stay out of everyones' business. Look at how much "fun" it's caused in countries like Iran, Iraq, Ireland, etc. lately, and pretty much the whole of Europe for the 1000 or years preceding the last century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoJojo link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140149#msg140 149 date=1090239495
    There seems to be a lot of threads where prostitution is being discussed as a secondary topic - so I'll make it a primary topic for a moment.

    What exactly is the legal reason for banning prostitution? I've never paid anyone for sex, per se. That is, there has never been a financial requirement other paying for dinner and a movie and attempting to come across as a genuinely decent human being.

    But I am curious what the reason for making it illegal is, other than the presumption that it is morally "wrong". Perhaps my view is off-base...but I personally do not see an issue with it. Guy wants sex. Woman wants money. Woman says "Sure, I'll nail ya, but I want $100." Guy says "Cool." Uglies bumped...both parties satisfied.

    Morality is subjective. Religion shouldn't (personal opinion) be a factor. What's left?
    There is only one reason.
    The goverment cant regulate it,it would be impossible to collect taxation on it,Kinda like weed.
    It would be a grassroots business,everyone would grow pot or be a hooker and there is no way taxes could be collected.
    All the other reasons mentioned are just propiganda supplied to scare the masses,and for the most part,the general public buys it.
    Until they can install turnstalls or cabbie style meters on a womans kitty,prostitution will remain illegal,at least in this country.

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    Prostitution will never be erradicated, so it's best to regulate it. No street prostitution whatsoever but allow prostitution at the proper facilities, with licenses and with regular checkups for the sex workers.



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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140242#msg140 242 date=1090254696

    There is only one reason.
    The goverment cant regulate it,it would be impossible to collect taxation on it,Kinda like weed.
    It would be a grassroots business,everyone would grow pot or be a hooker and there is no way taxes could be collected.
    All the other reasons mentioned are just propiganda supplied to scare the masses,and for the most part,the general public buys it.
    Until they can install turnstalls or cabbie style meters on a womans kitty,prostitution will remain illegal,at least in this country.
    What he said.

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    Just because you can't properly tax prostitutes it doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated. Like, do all taxpayers properly report all of their income? Nope. There may be fear of guys skipping SC's in favor of prostitution facilities. It's just silly to make illegal behavior that mostly takes place away from the public eye yet occurs with relatively little police intervention.



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    I am a total feminist and I think prostitution should be legal and regualated, with mandatory health exams. I've been to Amsterdam several times, and I think they have the right idea about it there.

    I also think legalized prostitution would make my job easier as that way I could direct some douchebag asking for extras over to the nearest whorehouse.

    A young, beautiful woman marries some decrepit Gollum-like creature who's wealthy and all she pretty much has to do to earn her keep is polish his shriveled knob once in a while. It's the same as far as I'm concerned.
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    All right, NinaD, that is something we have in common!



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    I have always been pro-decriminalization of prostitution, having done website work for a number of escorts and also done driver/security in my days as well. Some of my best friends work this angle of the sex industry, and no I've never patronized them as a customer.

    Unfortunately, I can also understand the 'religious right' standpoint to keep it illegal and try to flush it from our society somehow. Obviously any rational thinking person will know this is an impossible goal, but their desire to do so is sometimes from the right place. Prostitution is rarely a simple victimless act between two consenting adults. Fairly often, it's a method of survival used to feed a drug addiction, reconfirm deeper past emotional issues, and leads to some fairly disheartening lives. For every escort that is on top of her game, professional, doing her work by her own choice, I know at least three that are in a cycle of drug addiction, controlling ties with others and a host of massive emotional problems. The sex work becomes a binding enabler for this cycle and it's very frustrating to witness. So I can understand where the 'right' is coming from since seeing such things in the quantities that are out there are just too much to bare.

    I'm still pro-decrim mainly from the standpoint that it can never truly be removed from society given current mainstream ideals, as well as even in the worst cases- having busts, bail and legal ties on top of everything else is even more of a burden than they should have to handle. Whether or not it would inspire more people not fit for such things would remain to be seen, but somehow I doubt it. For those better suited for this line of work, it would obviously also be a good thing and possibly help reverse societal views towards their work, and possibly make their day to day lives more accepting to others... not to mention it's impact on trafficking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deja Voodoo link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140298#msg140 298 date=1090262386
    Just because you can't properly tax prostitutes it doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated. Like, do all taxpayers properly report all of their income? Nope. There may be fear of guys skipping SC's in favor of prostitution facilities. It's just silly to make illegal behavior that mostly takes place away from the public eye yet occurs with relatively little police intervention.
    HUH????
    Out of the public eye and no police???
    dont you watch cops???
    It brings a very bad element in its illegal form,i have not seen much better in its legal form across the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lethalsoul link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140190#msg140 190 date=1090248005
    But its ok to do it for free.

    What a crazy world we live in.
    Ahhh, but we are far more picky about who we give it away for free to though, aren't we? That is a control point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GnBeret link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140237#msg140 237 date=1090254318
    The "legal reasons" offered in support of the prohibition are many and, at least insofar as the U.S.is concerned, seem to vary widely depending upon which part of the country you're considering. But it's just an illusion, as not only the underlying reasons but, "mechanically speaking", the overriding failures of our forefathers are the same, coast to coast, with Nevada (of all places!!) being the sole exception. In sum, this is but one of the many examples of our fundamental failure to keep church and state separate, despite knowing better from the very start. And on the "flip-side", so to speak, it's yet another example of how far we've strayed from the basic premise, i.e., the government should stay out of people's lives as much as possible - meaning so long as I'm not causing harm to another, the government should not have any say-so in what I choose to do or how I decide to behave. And that means gambling, drinking, drugs, sex, the whole nine yards... so long as we're talking about consenting adults who are pulling their own weight in society and not causing physical harm to other people and/or others' property in the process, the government should stay out of everyones' business. Look at how much "fun" it's caused in countries like Iran, Iraq, Ireland, etc. lately, and pretty much the whole of Europe for the 1000 or years preceding the last century.
    If an AIDs infected prostitute is engaging in risky behavior with a John, is s/he not putting that person in danger? If s/he has even a "typical" STD, is she not harming him/her?

    You say the government should stay out of people's business unless one is doing harm to another. Seems like AIDS and STDs certainly are harmful.

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    I had a long-winded post here, but Polecat summarizes it best and succinctly so I'll just echo that sentiment: decriminalization, not legalization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lethalsoul link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140190#msg140 190 date=1090248005
    But its ok to do it for free.

    What a crazy world we live in.
    My thoughts exactly. Or if ya tape it! ( porn)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140630#msg140 630 date=1090297773
    I had a long-winded post here, but Polecat summarizes it best and succinctly so I'll just echo that sentiment: decriminalization, not legalization.
    There IS a difference. They are not the one and same thing. I agree: decriminalise instead of legalise.

    Whilst it isn't a victim-less crime when disease is involved... this is something you can't control so much. If someone is looking for cheap (and usually nasty) they will find it.... the same goes for SCs... you get what you pay for in the end.

    Quality costs $$ most of the time. Decriminalising it at least helps more than legalising it.


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    Well, to those who say it's illegal because government can't make money from it are overlooking a legal tradition of hundreds of years.

    It's illegal because of the influence of Judeo-Christian ethics and morality on society generally and laws specifically. It's been seen as a bad thing, like stealing and killing. Therefore, there were laws against it.

    If you started looking at traditional laws to figure if they still make sense in today's world, now, where would that lead us? Well, probably to a better society. But that's now how people are raised or how it's done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140537#msg140 537 date=1090285649
    HUH????
    Out of the public eye and no police???
    dont you watch cops???
    It brings a very bad element in its illegal form,i have not seen much better in its legal form across the world.
    What I mean is that I'm sure there is prostitution going on in such a way that not even cops ever find out. Have you ever thought that someone who screws his/her way to a job or other types of financial security incurs in prostitution? I mean, it is not limited to money but all sorts of remuneration or reward.



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    Quote Originally Posted by GoldCoastGirl link=board=1;threadid=11160;start=msg140906#msg140 906 date=1090336213
    There IS a difference. They are not the one and same thing. I agree: decriminalise instead of legalise.

    Whilst it isn't a victim-less crime when disease is involved... this is something you can't control so much. If someone is looking for cheap (and usually nasty) they will find it.... the same goes for SCs... you get what you pay for in the end.

    Quality costs $$ most of the time. Decriminalising it at least helps more than legalising it.
    In order to decriminalize you have to legalize. What's best is to regulate, legalizing certain aspects of the offense. Like I already posted, I'd keep street prostitution illegal because the general public should be protected from the spectacle and also because it's much riskier from a health standpoint.



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