I'm not speaking for everyone,but if a girl can live with herself doing "extras",then c'est la vie.





I'm not speaking for everyone,but if a girl can live with herself doing "extras",then c'est la vie.
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In my experience, I have noticed that most of the girls who do extras are the ones who are too lazy to actively hustle and try to get the most out of whatever guy that is closest to them. Maybe it's just the MAIN case where I am...but I based my original statement off of that. I am sure that a hottie stripper who had great hustle techniques would make a lot more money doing extras than she did before, but, again...most of the girls I have seen feel the "need" to do extras are the ones who just lack the ability or the desire to hustle the room and effectively close VIP sales, etc.





Generally speaking, clean dancers will always do better than the dancers who perform "extras". The reason is the "extras" girl has limited her clientelle. Once she starts performing extras, she usually will only go after guys who want them, and not every guy walks into a club with the intention of receiving them. Right off the bat for that reason alone, the clean dancer has more of an oportunity to sell.
Second, the "extras" girl will be spending most of her night performing these activities while the other dancers will be selling VIP room trips (at $100 for ten minute or so) and lap dances on the floor. It's just a faster way to make money as opposed to the dancer who is performing extra work. Sick as it sounds, it just takes a lot more time to sell and then perform than going about it the clean way. These are the reasons why almost always the top earners in any club is the one going about it the clean way.
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I hate to interrupt this back and forth but...Originally Posted by asian_slacker link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg151973#msg15 1973 date=1091967451
Uhh, Asian, I agree with you that the kind of claims that OTB is making are simply not reality for most dancers, but you seem to be implying that any dancer that doesn't offer extras is a ROB. I think that there's a bit of difference between a dancer simply doing her job and leading a customer under false pretense.
I've never assumed that because a dancer was teasing me (God forbid!) that there might be a blowjob in store if I'd just spend an extra hundred. And If I was looking for a blowjob in the first place, wouldn't it make more sense to take my money to someone who I know will do the deed, instead of spending buku bucks on dances looking for someone who might?
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Forgive me for saying so, but now we're starting to get to the heart of the matter. Some basic conclusions ...Originally Posted by asian_slacker link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg151989#msg15 1989 date=1091970960
#1. if dancer A and dancer B are equally beautiful, and a customer knows for a fact that dancer A will deliver "extras" while dancer B will not, dancer B is going to earn less money.
#2. if dancer A and dancer B are equally beautiful, and a customer knows for a fact that dancer A will deliver "extras" but isn't sure about dancer B, dancer B is likely to earn more money FOR A WHILE as guys pay to research whether or not she'll deliver "extras"
#3. if dancer B stays in the same club long enough, customers are going to learn from the research of other customers (by word of mouth, club review BBS etc.) that dancer B doesn't deliver, at which point her earnings will drop significantly.
#4. if dancer B then moves to a new club in a new city, she can start the "discovery cycle" all over again. Also, if the club is an upscale club in a big city where the majority of customers walking in the door every night are travelling businessmen, tourists etc. who will not be aware of the research done by other customers, then a dancer can continue the "discovery cycle" forever in the same club.
Personally, I do not consider playing the "discovery cycle" to be 100% ethical, and I usually come right out and tell customers what they should and should not expect from me - even though doing so reduces my potential income.
Very true Melonie! While i do a grind ld, i get offered more money to do it. If i just do a light ld i may get $10 or $20 depending what club says ld's sell for.
Higher mileage makes for more $$$$, as does extras! This is what i dance around (when i hit club dancing) and see as a customer. I don't do extras, but i give high mileage inn the form of ld's (grinding) and dilDo shows (private dancing.) shit I CAN'T SPELL THIS MORNING....
Pamela
Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg152061#msg15 2061 date=1091981394
Melonie, great job stating the different possible scenerios.
Great informative post.
No, I am not implying that any dancer who doesn't offer extras is a ROB.Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg152052#msg15 2052 date=1091980006
What I don't like is the "discovery cycle".
I don't think it is very nice to make clients think they may get "extras" on a future visit or that the "next" dance might be the winning lottery ticket payout which allows extras. I guess if guys are stupid enough to fall for it then they deserve to be played for a fool.
According to onlythebest, one of the things she relies on is the stupidity of rich guys thinking they might get something extra by spending more on her. So maybe "regular" guys won't spend buku bucks looking for some dancer who might do extras BUT a rich guy who has money to burn will.
Hey, MM, I added up what I've made dancing for six months and thereby my yearly income would be 22k/year. I hope this isn't more than most are making.
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I still have my face
I have not run away from home
Doesn't seem so long
If I now embrace
Every single thing I've never known"
This just simply does not make sense at all unless you are taking about the girl who does more than she needs to do per $20 dance. Then, of course she is making is harder for the rest of us.Originally Posted by DancerWealth link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg152049#msg15 2049 date=1091979392
A good extras dancer, in the appropriate venue, will make much more money in a shorter period of time. By appropriate venue, I mean dancing in a city where in-club extras are the norm. For instance, certain clubs in San Fran and Houston. But we've beat this dead horse way too many times.
I absolutely DO NOT condone in-club extras where it is not appropriate or accepted. But I still cannot believe that you are so naive as to spit out this drivel of extras girls making less money. They will make more money just like an escort will make more money because it takes them less time to earn higher. Believe me, it does't take LONGER for a stripper to find a guy looking for a HJ/BJ in the club. Hell, its getting harder to find a guy NOT looking for these things!
Now, this extra girl can't be lazy. She must, in a matter of speaking, rinse and repeat. Sure, if a girl does a $200 BJ in VIP, the dude spews in 2 songs, and she sits around for the next several hours, she isn't going to make what a clean dancer will make. But if she keeps working at it, she will absolutely outearn the clean girls around her....
Awww, why did I even get into this extras discussion? As always, its a bunch of opinions fueled by emotions......
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Your kidding right luna???????????????Originally Posted by Luna Maiden link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg152270#msg15 2270 date=1092003922
22k is what assistant mgrs at the mall make,and they keep their clothes on and dont have to put up with as much bullshit as an entertainer does.
From your photo,you like like a beautiful young lady.Your worth alot more,at least 5x more,to this industry.
YOUR WAISTING YOUR TIME<TALENTS<AND LOOKS!!!!!!!!
tell us what state your in so one of us can point you in the direction of a club where you can double and triple your income the first year easy.
I dont want you to take this wrong,but the doorguys make more in the club i work at then you do.
is this ok with you???Its not with me.
BigGreen, she may only be working once a week... or on weekends.If not, Luna hun, he is right. You should be making more.
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Don't foget guys, you may have to consider a tax effect to that $22K.
Even so, it does sound a little low.
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LOL thats a riot!!Originally Posted by verfolgung link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg153861#msg15 3861 date=1092171664
Go to any city or town.Round up the first 100 entertainers you can find.
95 of them dont pay taxes,the five who SAY they do,3 are full of chit,and the two who do, dont really claim what they really make.
You can add the dj's to that same list,most dont pay taxes,or they pay the taxes on the check they get only.
thats the same with the MGRS and doorguys also.
For 95%+,this is a tax free business.
This is why the owners have the entertainers by the small hairs.
Their way or the highway.
When all or even most entertainers pay taxes and become legit sub contractors,then and only then will they be able to run this industry as it should be.
Hee, I finally check back on this thread. That's during the school year when I worked 3-4 nights a week [22-30 hours a week] AND over the summer working full time [sometimes full time +, 46 hours one week]. Oh, and roughly half of my money is stuffed aside for taxes next year - gotta claim something so they'll stop only looking at my parents income for financial aid. >.<
And yes, I'm changing clubs, I'll be working weekends in Baltimore in another two weeks. yay.![]()
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I still have my face
I have not run away from home
Doesn't seem so long
If I now embrace
Every single thing I've never known"





And you know this how?Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg153878#msg15 3878 date=1092175143
I'm sooooooo sick of customers saying this
Sorry to burst your bubble buddy but many of us do pay our proper taxes![]()





Tigerlilly and I can finally agree on something ! Yes, today the vast majority of dancers do pay taxes.Sorry to burst your bubble buddy but many of us do pay our proper taxes
I'm not making the argument that the vast majority of dancers want to pay taxes, or that the vast majority of dancers would in fact pay taxes or declare all of their earnings as income if it were not for gradual changes in the "system" that force them to. But between corporate club takeovers potentially generating 1099 income reports, lawsuits/investigations potentially prying into club financial records, and particularly because of technology and the Patriot Act allowing the IRS easy access to everyone's financial accounts if given the slightest reason to want to look, the days are now gone where a girl could shove $1000+ a week in cash under her mattress and still spend that money later without questions arising as to where it came from and whether taxes had been paid on it.





{slowly moving away for fear of lightning bolts}Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg154242#msg15 4242 date=1092220221
Im glad you two agree on something,but i would think you would want to agree on something that is factual and correct rather then this BS.
Both of you post some really great chit here and i enjoy reading your insight.
But cmon......
The "vast majority"???
The "vast majority"of entertainers dont even own a friggin computer!
You both have been doing this for to long,your pasties must be having a toxic effect if you really belive that most entertainers file.
That like saying the "vast majority"of customers come into the club NOT looking for "extras".
Boulderdash!
I don't see where Tigerlilly's "many" statement or Melonie's "vast majority" term is any less credible than your "95%" claim.
And Melonie didn't say the vast majority pay all taxes - just that they do pay taxes. Of course a cash income is often underreported. But if the club issues a 1099, it's highly likely that at least the 1099 income will be reported. If a dancer has to claim employment somewhere, it's highly likely that some income will be reported. It's also prudent to at least report some credible amount of income, even while pocketing other unreported cash, to put up a facade of meeting tax obligations in case the IRS sniffs around the employment situation.
Of course, that's all just speculation on my part. I haven't done the scientific survey to give a percentage, so I don't claim "many" or "vast majority" or "95%."





Ok Jay,then just for chits and giggles........Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg154270#msg15 4270 date=1092229115
Whats your guess???
Whats your idea of the % of entertainers who pay taxes,and pay them honestly??
Im not looking for a sceintific survey,just a guess.
Who do you think is closer to reality??
I have no idea.





My guess is that MOST strippers over the age of twenty pay taxes and that the VAST MAJORITY of strippers over age twenty five pay taxes.





Yea OTAY!!!!!!!!!Originally Posted by Jay Zeno link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg154284#msg15 4284 date=1092231139
lolololololol
If as you say(this time)that you have no idea,then how would you know if my stats were wrong???
Me tinx you know more then you want to admit to Jay.
I have seen from your post that your not a putz and have been in this industry long enough to have formed an opinion on this subject.
Just take a stab at it,just a guess.
Agreeing with me might make you look bad,but i promise it wont hurt.![]()
Anybody in a profession where tips account for a big portion of their salary will either fudge on the actual amount or not pay any taxes on the tips if they think they can get away with it.
Are there a few that actually fully reports their tips, sure.
I know friends who were pizza delivery drivers and waiters. One time the subject came up and they said either they reported only a portion of their actual real tip amount OR they failed to report any tips at all.
Maybe strippers on a whole report their tips accurately?
I highly doubt it though.





cmon now,this is starting to sound like a bad episode of HBO's dancehall divas!!!Originally Posted by Lena link=board=27;threadid=11774;start=msg154286#msg15 4286 date=1092231730
Lets not just talk about the good parts of what we do and sugar coat the bad points.
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