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    I expect to get mostly negative responses to this post. Having said that...

    I do fairly well at my club. I have never been the smallest earner on a shift, and have occasionally been the top earner. I respect and appreciate the functions of each job in the club: dancers, management, bartenders, waitresses, bouncers, and djs. Much love to all. At my club, we tip the bar, bouncers, and djs. I started making decent money almost immediately, and my tip-out method was as follows:

    $5-10 to each bouncer (parking lot, door, floor, etc)
    $3-10 to the bartender
    $15-35 to the dj.

    When tipping out, I took into consideration what I earned (tipping out less on a crappy night), and of course tipping extra if they went out of their way for me (like a bouncer warding off an aggressive customer).

    After the past few weeks, however, my outlook on tip-outs has changed. I don't know what it is lately, but customers in my club have been extremely grabby, and every time I have told a bouncer or manager about the situation, they have just looked at me and said: "Well what do you want me to do about it?" I always say something to the effect of: "Talk to them, give them a warning or something, just make sure it doesn't happen again!" And nothing gets done. The same (female) customer grabbed my ass three times, twice RIGHT IN FRONT OF A BOUNCER, and nothing was done! I don't care if the person is male or female, that is MY property, and it is totally unacceptable behavior. The worst was last Friday night, when the club was packed for a bachelor party. The guys were getting out of control and even the bouncers were getting pissed because management literally said: "Put up with it for a while, they are spending money and they'll leave eventually."

    Because, of course, money is more important than our safety.

    I just feel lately like management and the bouncers don't have my back. When I discuss it with others in the club (bouncers, dj's, etc), the FIRST thing out of their mouths is always: "Do you tip?" YES I tip, and even if I don't, tipping isn't mandatory, but their job is to protect me whether or not they like me. Even though I get along with everyone, I really dislike the unspoken understanding that if I don't tip, my safety may be compromised.

    So here is my new approach to tipping. Since I do not feel protected whether or not I tip the bouncers, I am not going to tip them. What's the point of handing out $15-$50 night after night, when they just shrug their shoulders to my concerns? You may think I'm crazy, especially since I am still tipping the bartender & djs, but in my eyes, every time I come to the bar or the dj booth with a question, comment, or concern, it is addressed effectively. THAT deserves a tip.

    I probaby sound high-maintanance, but I don't believe in paying someone just to keep them "on my side." I always tipped just for this reason, but when it came time for me to call in a favor, they just stood by time after time. From what I've seen, the bouncers, as sweet as they are, have been basically ineffective at maintaining a safe working environment for me and my fellow dancers. If one of them does something for me (the way the bar always remembers the drinks I like, and the dj doesn't play my songs for other girls), I will gladly give them a tip that makes it worth their while.

    NO MORE HANDOUTS..BOUNCERS NEED TO WORK FOR THEIR TIPS THE WAY I WORK FOR MINE!!!
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    OH boy! I hear you on this one.. and when I first got to club I am at now, I did a post about a manager who's first impression with me has never left.. although, he later apologized and he did make up for it.. but, you never have a second chance to make a first impression.

    I've heard from all sides on the tip out issues. DJ's mainly. DJ's usually make minimum wage which is like 5.15 an hour.. so when I sell a $40 dance, I have just made what they make in an 8 hour shift... I try to take care of my DJ's- my point is this:

    They are the ones who are promoting you, playing your music of your choice and working to sell you. My Dj's get a minimum of $20 from me- some girls only tip them $5, then they complain when the DJ plays them crappy music and doesn't say anything but standard stuff ( ie: standard would be something like, "Welcome back the beautiful (insert stage name here) ) vs. non standard "This girl is gonna peel those clothes off that tight body of hers.. take good care of this girl... this is (insert name here).

    Bouncers. Well, I have had my issues with bouncers too. Everything from being OVER marked on my dances to them looking the other way when I am being groped, pulled at and licked. When this happens, the tips just depend. I have told a couple of bouncers, "look, you over marked me, and I had to pay out for your mistake.. so I subtracted the number of dances you overmarked me out of your tip" or I've said, "that dude blah blah... well, you looked the other way.. where the hell were you or etc?" I still give them something, but it may not be what they were hoping for. most of my bouncers are awesome though.. and the ones that have over marked me, well they were either new, or they were just not paying attention- and in that case, they had other dancers complaining too- and if new, they learned VERY fast.

    Managers. This all depends. It isn't required- but I give them something too- just to tell them thanks for allowing me to work their shift. I'm one of these girls who will just show up sometimes and work without being on the schedule. When I am on the schedule, I will tip the manager $1 per dance that I do.

    I'm used to working in bigger cities.. where I am currently is small and not all girls understand that in larger cities tip outs are kinda like an unwritten code of how you will be treated later on.

    If you are having problems, talk to your bouncers. Chances are, if you speak up they will be better at being there for you.

    Unfortuneately you are right to a point: If you don't tip, then they will be less likely to watch your back. If you tip generously, they will. I am in the middle- I tip well, but if I have an issue they get a chew out from me as to why I am not tipping or why the tip is small. I don't put up with any bullshit and if I feel that they haven't done their job right- I tell them, but that has only happened once with a bouncer, a DJ and a manager and it was all within the first few weeks I began at the club I am at.

    Good luck.


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    Hmm, though I'd say in your bachelor party scenario you've more of a problem with management than with the bouncers. They're probably being told not to be as aggressive - which is bad for the entertainers. One of the bouncers at my club threw out a guy that, after a dance, he grabbed at my breast, so I swatted his hand away and said "You can't touch." So he made a grab for my crotch. Bouncer was like "Last straw!" and escorted him out. Customer goes and whines to management that he "didn't know." Manager lets him stay. He was drunk and irritating regardless of grabbing at me, he's yell across the room to dancers "Baby!" and such, was generally being disruptive and not spending money.

    But, yeah, I feel ya, my old DJ pulled that same thing with me though it was over a dispute "kinda" with another dancer, said something like "I'm the guy that sees everything that goes on here, so I can see what you're doing, and I can see if some guy grabs your ass."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gynger link=board=27;threadid=11895;start=msg152271#msg15 2271 date=1092004387
    Bouncers. Well, I have had my issues with bouncers too. Everything from being OVER marked on my dances to them looking the other way when I am being groped, pulled at and licked.
    I have had problems with being over marked in VIP. At my club we have to pay $5 a dance when we take a customer to VIP. However, we can charge the customers whatever we want, the minimum being $25 (regular dances are $20 on the floor). I charge $40 a dance in VIP because I have had so many problems with bouncers saying "You owe $15+ for VIPs" when I know I should only owe $10. I have even been called to the bar and been told I owe for VIP dances when I didn't step foot in VIP all night long! I rarely even do VIP's any more because I am sick of their miscalculations. The way I see it, I could do 4 dances on the floor and make $80 with no questions from anyone, or I could do 2 dances in VIP and make $70, with the possibility of a discrepancy between a small mark on the tally sheet and what I know to be true.
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    My particular beef about this issue lies with a manager who always meets us at the end of the night. He doesn't help out in anyway except sit in the office all night playing computer games. Okay, he might dispense change to the bar or settle customer disputes on tabs, but that is it. Yet this guy is there with our bouncers (who are very good) and our DJ (who is excellent). None of us dancers can fathom why we should tip this manager other than we might get treated like shit for not doing it.

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    I know exactly what you mean. The bouncer that is the champagne host at my club said to me once, "maybe he grabbed your ass cause he likes you, does he have money?" Um, wrong answer. But I've come to learn that that bouncer is for selling only, and the other bouncers are there to protect my honor.



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    i am a big supporter of my staff, but they DO do their jobs, so i tip well. if they wernt doing their job i wouldnt tip period. i'm talking about the bouncers only here.
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    I think it depends on the club and your personal preferences, but I always wanted the bouncers to tell the guy, in a friendly fashion, to keep his hands off me, so that I wouldn't be in the position of being the bitch.

    I have mxied feeling about tipouts. I like being generous with and being supportive of co-workers, especially when having a good night, but I also wonder about having a club that's also getting money from the door and the bar having some of its employees pay all the rest of its employees.

    Again, that depends on the club and how much the dancers are making and how supportive the staff is.

    I've worked under no-tip-out conditions, and they didn't suck.
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    Sorry you have to deal with that. I'm lucky in that, like velvet, the staff at my club actually DOES their job. After hearing what you had to say, I think I'm gonna tip them more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by playboycntrfold link=board=27;threadid=11895;start=msg153326#msg15 3326 date=1092100683
    Sorry you have to deal with that. I'm lucky in that, like velvet, the staff at my club actually DOES their job. After hearing what you had to say, I think I'm gonna tip them more...
    I hear that. I totally believe in backing the people who really do have your back.
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