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  • Too many dancers getting involved in drugs.

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  • Too many dancers getting involved in prostitution at some level.

    3 7.89%
  • Men are pigs and say bad things about strippers.

    2 5.26%
  • Non-stripping housewives hate strippers, and cause the problem.

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  • Society simply cannot handle a public positive view of stripping.

    10 26.32%
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    Default Why Does Stripping Have a Negative Rap?

    I was emailing with someone recently, and she mentioned the "tarnished" view of stripping. My theory is this - most SO's have issues with their men going to strip clubs. As such, men will "sneak out" in some fashion to go to a club. Right there, it's already a "dirty little secret" until he gets caught, at which point the female side of the relationship feels betrayed, lied to, unattractive, and ultimately very hurt. (I'm lucky...my wife tells me to go.) I saw my buddy go through this. When his wife found out, her behavior was akin to someone who had been cheated on. We men typically don't get that emotional aspect. "Hey...it's not like I fucked someone..."

    So ultimately, it seems that there are just too many people who are not interested in accepting any concept other than "Stripping is practically prostitution."
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    Default Re:Why Does Stripping Have a Negative Rap?

    I voted "all the above".
    One of woman's cardinal rule: Body parts can be fake,everything else has to be real.

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    Default Re:Why Does Stripping Have a Negative Rap?

    Men talk shit to look good. I dunno about the rest.

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    Default Re:Why Does Stripping Have a Negative Rap?

    Anything associated with sexuality, sex, nudity, etc....gets a bad rap. Thats just how it is here in the good ol' USofA. There's no need to go into reasons about it. It doesnt matter if there were no drugs/no prostituion/no downside at all to dancing....the simple fact that its "sexual" is enough of a reason alone for the negative rap.

    I get a bad rap when i mention to people that i go to nude beaches. :-/
    "You get NAKED in front of other people?"
    "What is it some kind of big orgy?" :-/
    "What are you some kind of pervert?"
    "What kind of freak are you? getting naked with all those weirdos"

    Oh well

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    Default Re:Why Does Stripping Have a Negative Rap?

    It is not just strippers that have a bad rap, it is also the customers. Even many strippers refer to their customers are pathetic losers that have to pay for what others get for "free". And how many SOs really approve of their men going to SCs? What about the guys that don't have to pay for it? How many guys here really have SOs that encourage you to go spend your extra cash at a SC?

    "Hey honey, I am going out tonight and spend our left over money on some hot stripper to grind on my cock"

    How many guys here in relationships really have SOs that would say something like:

    "Okay, you go have a good time sweetie. We will take that vacation we have been saving for some other time."

    Heck, you probably live near neighbors that would frown on you for having spent your dollars at a SC when you could have spent it on your wife or kids.



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    Stripping has a negative rap because women take their clothes off for $ and strangers. Really think about it. I have, but so what!

    My problem is when people at times look at me shopping and i dress very "light." I hear "yep she's a stripper."

    I also hear this alot at my other job, mainly when a female walks in dressed kinda provacative, long nails, hair all spritzed up, lots of make-up, and very high shoes. So many people look at each other (men too) and laugh, or say, "looks like a stripper to me."

    I say to these people who make comments, they don't know shit. "Could be an escort to me!" "Could be your neighbour who's happily married to me!"

    Yes these women (and i have been quilty as well) do look like we dress at the clubs at times. But ya never know who they are.

    And ladies keep the "Look" inside the club, why because we are fantasy, and the "look" belongs there, not on the street.

    I myself have said the same thing to a co-worker, and actually wondered what club she works at! Lol.

    All in good humour,

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    Default Re:Why Does Stripping Have a Negative Rap?

    "Stripping is practically prostitution."
    yup, I hear that a lot.

    This past Friday I went to dinner with some friends, and one of the female friends (best friend's fiancé) began a discussion of her recent vacation...

    Most of her conversation dealt with her description of the "shadiness" of a particular area, poignantly telling of the pathetic area littered with multiple (two) strip clubs, right across from the convention center at that! She went on and on about how all these shady business men would go into these "skanky" clubs. The area was pathetic.

    Other than the Strip Clubs, she could not elaborate exactly why the area was "skanky" and "shady".

    Had to bite my tongue with that conversation ( i also have no doubt my friend, the fiancé, was doing the same, who's been to a few with me ). Some people just get worked up over nothing. Oh yeah, the naked body and anything else even closely resembling sex is a sin, or evil, or just down right wrong

    I choose the "society just ain't ready" option.




    Where's Pyrce?? I think we need to add another title to his list - "Shady Customer" and "Skanky Dancer" to appease the conservative types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Guy link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg152744#msg152 744 date=1092066532
    I choose the "society just ain't ready" option.
    You know the old saying "sex sells" - well it is not entirely true. It is not just that sex sells, it is that forbidden/unattainable sex sells.

    IMHO the irony is that it is the forbidden/shady side of the business that is the turn-on for many customers. Grow up in a society where women walk around all day topless, who is going to pay to see a topless women? I mean even having grown up in California, the thought of paying to see women wander around in bikinis verges on "why bother?" ... just go to the beach and you can see better.

    And a lot of the dancers on this board have brought up variations on the discussion men are increasingly expecting "extras". The thing is a lot of the high-contact dancing that is almost common today would have been considered extras not so long agao. I could well be that classic erotic dancing at a distance is on the way out (unless maybe you happen to work in a 10 club dancing for a more conservative older crowd). Paying just to look at the girl next door in a bikini or topless? It is getting to be kind of pointless given that you can look for free on the internet, or just wander around - beautiful, scantily clad women everywhere. Eventually people get numb to what they see everyday.

    All I can think is that if our society ever did reach the point where the opinion about strippers reached a point of neutraility (or even positivity) that almost nobody would pay for it anymore... the thrill is gone gone gone.











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    I said "all of the above."

    Sex, in the public eye is still taboo. Stripping is looked down upon because overt sexuality has a "bad rap" in society. Stripping just happens to be a fairly obvious target.
    Before I even started, when I had gotten my nails done and was waiting for my bikini wax, some woman in the waiting room (upon hearing I was doing the brazilian), asked me if most girls "at work" did the same. After she told me what she meant, she commented "Well, what else could you do looking like that?" which sounds even worse now that it did to me then. Mind you I was in jeans and a t-shirt sans any makeup.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg152784#msg152 784 date=1092069604
    All I can think is that if our society ever did reach the point where the opinion about strippers reached a point of neutraility (or even positivity) that almost nobody would pay for it anymore... the thrill is gone gone gone.
    I would partially agree with you, but I also have another view, IMO. First of all, SCs offer something more than "women walking around all day topless". Such as:

    1) Unquestioned intimacy - no not sex come on now
    2) Beautiful, naked women
    3) Sensual Dancing
    4) Beautiful, naked women
    5) no strings attached - free to leave when desired
    6) Sexinessessess.....ess....

    Also, along the lines of porn proliferation on the internet:

    Shit, I've had sex, I am still having sex, and you know what? It NEVER gets old!! I really don't think my opinion would change if society was a little more lax. Same goes for SC visits. I would find it hard to believe it will ever get old.

    Maybe with the desensitization of sex by increasing exposure on tv, internet, etc. may mean less "real sex" sells, however, "sexy" will always sell. IMHO

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    I was raised in a conservative household, and at age 21 could not understand stripping. It was outside of my world. Then at age 22, I had to jump into the stripping world. I regret ever having negative ideas about dancers in general, some are the coolest chicks I have met. I will not lie in saying some of our customers are bad people and that's where the bad stereotype comes from; that's what your family and friends worry about. And our employers are exploitive. Sex industry jobs will be controversial always.

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    Voted for "society can't handle, etc."

    I'm in the middle of a book right now, wherein the author presents his own theory that certain religions had a need to control people in the past, and that it is much easier to control sexually frustrated people than sexually contented ones.

    If most of the population were sexually content, stripclubs probably would not be able to exist. There would be no need for them.

    Curious, though, that stripclups are considered so horrible when I can get more than my fill of "sex & violence" in less than two seconds on television during any sweeps month.

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    To answer Darren
    It wouldn't bother me at all if my SO went to a strip club. I'm pretty laid back as long as everything is in moderation. My SO used to go at least one or two times a month and I didn't care...maybe because I assumed he viewed getting lapdances as entertainment. I mean if he is basically living in the damn club and could barely make his bills...well that is a self control issue. If he gambles all his money away or spend endless late nights looking at porn..ummm I don't think that is very attractive.

    I gave all my ex's freedom and they thought I didn't care. I have too much going in my life right now with school and work. Last thing I need to do is worry if he is running around. It is not that I don't care, but I'm not going to f"ck up my life for something that wasn't going to stay around anyway. I'm trying to undo the damage from the past. Ya either want me or you don't....

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Guy link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg152808#msg152 808 date=1092070555
    Quote Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg152784#msg152 784 date=1092069604
    All I can think is that if our society ever did reach the point where the opinion about strippers reached a point of neutraility (or even positivity) that almost nobody would pay for it anymore... the thrill is gone gone gone.
    I would partially agree with you, but I also have another view, IMO. First of all, SCs offer something more than "women walking around all day topless". Such as:

    1) Unquestioned intimacy - no not sex come on now
    2) Beautiful, naked women
    3) Sensual Dancing
    4) Beautiful, naked women
    5) no strings attached - free to leave when desired
    6) Sexinessessess.....ess....
    Well, look at your list... most of what is on there is taboo to do in everyday life. Beautiful naked women - still major taboo. How often do you see beautiful naked women wandering around in public? Sensual dancing - how often do you get to enjoy that? Maybe at a party with drunk chicks (but most of us don't get to attend those kinds of parties) and it is still in the taboo realm (and not just the guys, the girls trash other girls who get to wild at parties). Even the no strings attached benefits.... still a lot of taboo associated with that. But if casual sex becomes easier to have, or women where walking around naked all the time, who knows, maybe even some of that thrill will die off. Why pay for it if you can find women who want casual sex with no strings attached?

    I am just saying that I think the forbidden aspects of it are precisely what makes SCs appealing. It is what you don't get to have in everyday life that you are willing to pay for. If the beautiful women were just wandering around naked, doing nasty dances, nobody cared less, and everyone was getting it from whoever they wanted whenever they wanted, who would pay for it?



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    Quote Originally Posted by Prina link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg152869#msg152 869 date=1092075402
    To answer Darren
    It wouldn't bother me at all if my SO went to a strip club. I'm pretty laid back as long as everything is in moderation. My SO used to go at least one or two times a month and I didn't care...maybe because I assumed he viewed getting lapdances as entertainment. I mean if he is basically living in the damn club and could barely make his bills...well that is a self control issue. If he gambles all his money away or spend endless late nights looking at porn..ummm I don't think that is very attractive.

    I gave all my ex's freedom and they thought I didn't care. I have too much going in my life right now with school and work. Last thing I need to do is worry if he is running around. It is not that I don't care, but I'm not going to f"ck up my life for something that wasn't going to stay around anyway. I'm trying to undo the damage from the past. Ya either want me or you don't....
    Yea, some of the dancers (for example yourself) are okay with it. Some aren't, or are not if their man spends too much on it, or goes to the SCs too often, or forms an attachment to a dancer. We can always find examples of people that don't care about SCs, but the point really had to do with those who frown on strip clubs... and again, it is not just the dancers that are frowned on, it is the customers too.



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    Quote Originally Posted by PhaedrusZ link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg152857#msg152 857 date=1092074407
    I'm in the middle of a book right now, wherein the author presents his own theory that certain religions had a need to control people in the past, and that it is much easier to control sexually frustrated people than sexually contented ones.
    Read the Blank Slate : The Modern Denial of Human Nature by Steven Pinker. People get confused about issues like this because they view them from the context of modern society, overlooking just what a different world it was a couple of generations ago (and for millions of years before that). Things like social attitudes against sexual promiscuity don't come into being because they are useless taboos, or done because of some mastermind organization who is trying to control the world (that happens in movies). They come into being because (overall) a purpose is served and society benefits from the purpose.

    Steven's explination of sexual control (through religion being one means) is simple and makes complete sense. Religion is just a social institution, so natually it reflects the views of society that form the institution - religion doesn't exist independent of the people that are part of it.

    Society has historically discouraged promiscuous sex because the cost of promiscuous sex is unwanted children. And guess who gets the short end of the stick most of the time where promiscuous sex is concerned? I will give you a hint, it is not us guys. Put aside the modern world, which is maybe what, 100 years old or less... look back just a little bit to a time where there was no such thing as relatively-safe/inexpensive birth control, no such thing as a relatively-safe/inexpensive, no such thing as DNA testing, no such thing as pampers/bottled milk, no such thing as C sections or ultra-sounds,...

    Guess what happens if a woman has promiscuous sex, becomes pregnant with a man who is not her husband (who has no legal obligation to her), and she can't prove who the father is? Well, assuming she doesn't die from the pregnancy, she is stuck for 15 some years raising the little one, probably by herself because what man wants to expend his resources raising some other man's child? There is no abortion option. Nope, she is going to be breast feeding and struggling to raise her child for most of the rest of her life. Hell, watch Jerry Springer or Maury Povich - how many young bucks today try to deny they are fathers so they can skip out on having to take on responsibility?

    It has nothing to do with trying to control sexually frustrated people. Both women and men have the drive to have sex. But it is easier to teach women to be careful about promiscuous sex then it is to teach men. Why? Because they have a hell of a lot more to lose (particularly in a pre-moden society).

    You have probably heard the old thing with kids, "What is the difference between men and women" And the kids say "Boys have a penis and girls have a vagina". Well this is not the difference between them... it suggests they are the same but differ only by genitalia. Wrong. The difference is women have a uterus and men don't. And that is a hell of a big difference! When you are the child bearer, particularly in a pre-modern world (or any 3rd world country today), the risks associated with promiscuous sex are much greater for you as the child bearer then as the other sex. Having and raising children in a pre-modern world was damn hard work... and often painful.

    The rest of the differences between men and women, and their attitudes about sex, about partnering exclusively, about how they feel abotu children, and so on are due to this difference; and millions of years of evolution. Religion is a social institution - it makes use of guilt for bad behavior, and rewrds for good behavior to shape behavior. And the unfortunate reality is teenagers (both men and women) are sexually frustrated in the sense that they both want to have sex, a lot of sex. Social mores keep that under control, protecting the women in particular from unwanted pregnancy, but also protecting the men from having children that they aren't really able to care for. Though of course even today there are many people out there having children they can't or don't want to care for, and guess who suffers? The children and the responsible people around them.




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    Society simply cannot handle a public positive view of stripping.

    sad to say.

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    I voted "All The Above" too. I think that most adults were taught as children that certain things are unappropriate and wrong, including showing off your body, and looking at someone who does. Most were raised with a closed-mind, and so-called "morals".

    I agree with what Pooja said. Society would never be able to handle positive views on stripping, porn, and the like.

    Incredibly sad, but it's true.

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    Its like opening a bar in a dry town full of alcoholics. Many people feel like we need protecting from human temptation and the SC is a very much in your face reminder to people that we as humans have a sexual side which is undeniably important. So the tendency is to blame strippers because if it wasn't for them working at such places they wouldn't exist and men (and women) wouldn't have a place to go to explore their fantasies.


    There is also this general belief amoung suburban houswives that if a husband goes to a strip club he is looking for sex from someone else, period. Sadly, my wife has told some of her friends she has gone with me, and enjoyed the experience, but only received negative feedback such as how can you disrespect yourself so much to sit in a room full of naked skanks rubbing themselves on guys for money...you can only imagine what they say to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldclubbing link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg153097#msg153 097 date=1092087035

    There is also this general belief amoung suburban houswives that if a husband goes to a strip club he is looking for sex from someone else, period. Sadly, my wife has told some of her friends she has gone with me, and enjoyed the experience, but only received negative feedback such as how can you disrespect yourself so much to sit in a room full of naked skanks rubbing themselves on guys for money...you can only imagine what they say to me.
    Maybe you bragged to them too about all the "hot wet dancer snatch" you've felt and your myriad dancer conquests outside the club?

    This was a country founded by Puritans and in the year 2004 we have a President who tries to evangelicize to a country where separation of Church and State is in the Constitution. And no, this is not "off topic".

    We have been raised to believe that our bodies are shameful and that sex or any sexual thoughts are dirty.

    It's a combination of many things. Investment bankers are notorious for being whoremongering cokeheads, but they're generally respected as "Masters of the Universe". They have a penis and since stripping is a female-dominated profession with high income potential, we get no respect.

    Gwyneth Paltrow won an Oscar for showing her tits in "Shakespeare in Love" and simulating sex with Joseph Fiennes, and she has trashed strippers in several interviews.

    Hypocrisy and a shameful, hyper-conservative attitude towards sexuality, plus the unfortunate tendency that many women have to be hateful towards each other combined with blatant sexism.
    "She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"

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    Default Re:Why Does Stripping Have a Negative Rap?

    Nina where have I bragged about anything like that? I have a friend who is a dancer who I met in a club and have introduced to my wife...we both like her...and thats it. The rest is innocent.

    I do however like you reusing my phrase "hot wet dancer snatch" I guess it must resonate with you personally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldclubbing link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg153135#msg153 135 date=1092090326
    Nina where have I bragged about anything like that? I have a friend who is a dancer who I met in a club and have introduced to my wife...we both like her...and thats it. The rest is innocent.

    I do however like you reusing my phrase "hot wet dancer snatch" I guess it must resonate with you personally.
    I just think it's so smarmy and repulsive coming from you that it makes me laugh out loud. The phrase rings hollow with false braggadoccio.

    I guess you must've gone back and done some selective editing?

    "She has written so well, and marvellously well, that I was completely ashamed of myself as a writer...But this girl, who is to my knowledge very unpleasant and we might even say a high-grade bitch, can write rings around all of us who consider ourselves as writers"

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    Nina- WTF? I wouldn't know how to edit anything I wrote on this site even you told me how. Your base name calling denotes a lack of maturity however, and nothing I've said on this site or even in my "real" life should give you such an opinion of me. You seem to have a real problem with opinions that are offensive to you...much like the housewives who form an opinion of you because of what they think you do, not what you really do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinaDaisy link=board=1;threadid=11918;start=msg153122#msg153 122 date=1092089423
    plus the unfortunate tendency that many women have to be hateful towards each other combined with blatant sexism.
    I didn't know about that tendency, but some of it may just come down to primal jealousy, and/or some feelings of inadequacy. For a woman that is not feeling really great about herself (maybe she is just average looking, or a little overweight, or getting up there in age, or going through a rough time) I can appreciate that it is hard on her if her man is heading off to the SC, spending their money on beautiful younger women rather than on his wife/gf. This is just a duh, it is really not that hard to step into the other person's shoes and imagine how they feel.


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    Default Re:Why Does Stripping Have a Negative Rap?

    All of the above, and all of the other reasons you couldn't list.

    There are two problems with stereotypes about the SC industry, or really any stereotype.

    1. They're not neccesarily true.
    2. Depsite problem #1, they're not neccesarily false either.
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