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    Exotic dancers want code explained
    Performers find the wording in an ordinance unclear about how much skin they can reveal.
    By MICHAEL SANDLER, Times Staff Writer
    Published August 11, 2004

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    CLEARWATER - How much cheek is enough to show to people having a few drinks? Pinellas exotic dancers want to know.

    Local adult entertainers are troubled by what they see as ambiguities in an ordinance that does not clearly state how much skin dancers can expose in clubs serving alcohol. On Tuesday they made their case before the Pinellas County Commission.

    Dancers, club owners and a high-powered attorney told commissioners the local code bans "cleavage of the nates of the human buttocks" without specifying what that means.

    Just walk down the beach, they say, and you can see just as much from women wearing thongs or "booty pants."

    Pinellas allows complete nudity in clubs that do not serve alcohol. But dancers at the county's dozen or so topless clubs serving drinks must cover up. They usually wear what they say is the equivalent of a bathing suit. Yet, they say, they are often raided by sheriff's deputies and fined $500 for showing too much.

    They say that is unfair.

    "At Hooters, when they bend over they are showing nates," said Jill Lauderdale, a local dancer. "I don't want to worry about bending over and going to jail because my smiley faces are showing."

    Lawyer Luke Lirot is no stranger to the adult dancing laws. He represented Joe Redner and many other Hillsborough clubs when Tampa began enforcing its lap dance ordinance in 2000.

    In Pinellas, Lirot has been fighting the ambiguous "nate" issue. But he said that the court process has been slow. This week, he advised his clients to appeal to commissioners, asking them to clarify the code.

    "We just got to a point where the constant enforcement put us in a position where we thought it would be a better option to come to the commission and get it correct," Lirot said. "The request is that they be allowed to wear what is perhaps revealing, but is accepted as bathing attire without the risk of arrest."

    The item was not on the daily agenda, but was brought up during the public comment portion of the meeting.

    Commission Chairwoman Susan Latvala said the county attorney sees the ordinance as appropriate. But Latvala wants commissioners to review it and see if they need a clearer definition.

    "I don't ever think it is good when there is ambiguity in the law," Latvala said. "People with a fifth-grade education should be able to read it and understand it."

    Sheriff's office spokesman Sgt. Tim Goodman said vice detectives think the law is fine.

    "It's enforceable the way it is," he said.

    Goodman said most investigations of dance clubs are prompted by complaints, sometimes from one club owner complaining about another. Arrests of dancers are made after undercover operations from time to time, though it's not as if they are a daily occurrence, he said.

    "We receive complaints and we respond to them," he said.

    The Pinellas County Sheriff's Office will spend more than $400,000 this budget year in the unit that investigates prostitution, gambling and areas including the enforcement of nudity ordinances, agency spokesman Mac McMullen has said.

    Michael Sandler can be reached at 445-4174 or [email protected] Staff writer Chris Tisch contributed to this report.

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    Well, then they should be arresting all of the bathers at the beach, right? WTF? It's illegal to show your naked body in a "controlled setting" ie. SC...but, it's ok for some actress on-screen to prance around naked on the screen because that's art. Dammit...I'm going to open a club called the Art Gallery...and if someone bitches about nudity I'll claim it doesn't count...it's art!

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=27;threadid=12049;start=msg154902#msg15 4902 date=1092294836
    Well, then they should be arresting all of the bathers at the beach, right? WTF? It's illegal to show your naked body in a "controlled setting" ie. SC...but, it's ok for some actress on-screen to prance around naked on the screen because that's art. Dammit...I'm going to open a club called the Art Gallery...and if someone bitches about nudity I'll claim it doesn't count...it's art!
    VG-I&#039;m totally there! It&#039;s funny that you should mention that. A club resembling an art gallery is one of my "green thumb" ideas. (<~~~ideas you and your frenz cook up while very high on a friday night! haha)

    My hubby and I were saying: "wouldn&#039;t it be so cool if there was a strip club with artsy looking rooms flooded in blue, red, yellow (etc.) lights that look like pictures on the wall, and each one housed 1 or 2 dancers that slowly and sensually strip down? We&#039;re gonna OPEN that club! Quick jot that down... what was it again?" hahahaha...

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    Well I live in that area and this has been going on for around 8 years now. You cannot wear a t back any were in the county ( beaches). While I think the beach thing may be ok. You arwnt forced to enter a club, so the only people who see your ass are the ones who pay to. I was asked to cover up on courtney cambel causeway or I would recieve a ticket. Just a bunch of crap so the officers can come in the clubs and harass the dancers.Waste of money too.

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    This year is election year, so thats why theres all the fuss. They just want votes. Theyre not getting mine. politicians/law enforcement always do this when elections roll around.
    Leanne

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