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    I just found out that a girl I grew up with(our mom's are best friends)
    who used to have a drug problem before starting using heroin!!!!!
    The worst part about this is that she just gave birth 3 months ago and is still breastfeeding.
    Apparently her boyfriend broke up with her and she said she coulden't handle the pain.
    So she started shooting up heroin.
    This depresses me so much becouse she has a child and was doing so well.
    By using heroin then breastfeeding she is making her child a heroin addict.
    Plus risking her life from an overdose, or worse yet contracting hiv from a dirty needle.
    I feel so sorry for her mom and her baby and don't understand how she could be so selfish!
    Everyone helped her out so many times before.And now she has a human life she is responsible for yet heroin is more important to her?
    Sorry I needed to vent becouse this just makes me so sad.


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    That's terrible. :'( :'(
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    she has a human life she is responsible for yet heroin is more important to her?
    Nothing is more important to a heroin junkie than heroin. Why this is a shock to anyone is beyond me.

    A woman on my street just lost her son to a paternal grandparent because of her addiction. And she didn't even care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena_666 link=board=1;threadid=12191;start=msg157021#msg157 021 date=1092629356
    Apparently her boyfriend broke up with her and she said she coulden't handle the pain. So she started shooting up heroin.
    Get the full story.. It's not like one night she was feeling depressed and suddenly a loaded syringe materialized in front of her on her coffee table.

    Someone in her circle has it, gave/sold it to her, or otherwise created the problem. That's the one to find, beat to a bloody pulp, maim, permanently disable or otherwise convince of the error of their ways to stop the cycle from happening to anyone else. From there, it's all about getting your friend to quit, rehab if needed at this stage and getting her away from such dirt bags.

    If for every ghetto ass motherfucker pushing heroine, meth, or crack at a parent or young and impressionable girls were someone that had to sleep the rest of his days with one eye open, this problem wouldn't be as pronounced as it is. Your friend's life just became nothing more than a stepping stone towards a new Escalade.

    Remember, for every dealer you take out- you save dozens of lives.
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    I've grown up around stories like this all of my life...I'm an "AA baby" as a lot of people I know call it, because my mom and my sister are recovered alcoholics...my sister a recovered addict...and I grew up in AA/NA meetings. By age 16, I was practically sponsoring new comers to the program despite not having a drug or drinking problem myself. Anyways, i'm very sorry to hear about your friend. However, please keep in mind that drugs...especially heroin totally alter a person and that whatever stupid actions she is demonstrating right now isn't the real her, it's an addict. The addict in this woman only cares about getting her fix, and nothing will stand in the way of that. The addict and the person who is the addict are two seperate entities...hence the reason addicts do so many things they wouldn't do clean and sober. As far as the baby goes, the mother should have phoned child services the SECOND she found out. That child's welfare is being endagered by being with that woman...and by having her child taken away, it's all the more incentive for that woman to get off drugs. Unfortunately, anything you do or say will go in one ear and out the other...she is going to have to hit rock bottom all by herself and then try to pick up the pieces. The odds of an addict recovering, let alone surviving are slim at the best of times but it is definitely possible. I'm praying for the mother, your friend, and her baby. If the mother has contact with your friend still, even if it's limited, she should at least try to convince your friend to go into rehab or a detox centre...after that, she should be regularly attending NA meetings so that she can be surrounded by people going through the exact same experiences as her. Drug addiction is so much more complex than alcoholism, but I wish her all the best. After all, my sister once horribly and utterly addicted to crack cocaine now lives in a nice neighbourhood in Vancouver with a husband and a 13 year old son who plays AAA hockey...there are happy endings. Hang in there, PM me if you ever need to talk

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    But she was off drugs for over a year so I just can't understand after going through rehab,childbirth, having a normal life why she would choose to go back to it.
    And her addiction before the baby was to crack/coke so although she had done heroin before it wasen't her choice drug.
    She actually contracted hep c from sharing a needle with a drug dealer and she is in na and has said over and over how she diden't even see how she lived the way she did.
    And now heroin. I feel so bad saying this but the old saying'' once an addict always an addict'' seems so very true.
    She is a very sweet girl, but sadly she has very low self esstem and a weak personality.


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    She is a very sweet girl, but sadly she has very low self esstem and a weak personality.
    Weak personality and self-esteem has less to do with it, and more to do with genetics and behavorial tendencies.

    Some people are simply more susceptible to opiate addiction--their dopamine receptors are just wired that way. Personal behavior traits increase the likelihood that they will use and abuse drugs.
    Idealism is fine, but as it approaches reality, the costs become prohibitive.

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    She's lucky she's relapsed only once...their (addicts) brains don't work the same way ours do. To a certain extent, Once an addict always an addict is totally true. Even if you have 1, 10, 20 years of sobriety you can relapse NO problem...it is a lifelong disease...she can either fight it or give up and die from it. But the addict in her isn't rational, hence the giving up a normal life.
    I knew a guy, a family friend who had moved into my house when I was about 8 or 9 while he was getting off his feet...he lived with us for about 6 months and then got a new job and bought his new place. He then proceeded to stay clean for another 3 years. His son and I were really close in age so we played together all the time. After 3 years of sobriety, a good and normal life, he had the craving to have a fix (heroin as well). He drove his son who was 10 years old into the middle of NOWHERE and said something about taking him to a carnival, he gave him 5 dollars and told him to wait while he parked and drove off. I recently bumped into his son, last time I was visiting in Vancouver, he's 18 now and hasn't seen his father since...hasn't heard from him and he is probably dead.

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    Thanks so much for the support tiff . I feel guilty about it becouse I live in a different state now. 2,600 miles away. When I moved she was doing great and now things are bad again and there's not much I can do being so far away.
    Her mom said she was going to let her hit rock bottom this time becouse she has tried her hardest to help her and it diden't work.
    She still lives with her mom and just last week confessed to her that she started using again. Apparently she started hanging around her old friends again and they being such ''wondeful'' friends talked her into doing it to make her feel better.
    She is still going to her NA meetings though. I just hope she wises up before she hit's that point of rock bottom :'(


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    Yeah...it's so tough to watch someone you care about go through it all. My mom and I right now are councilling a woman we're both friends with, Jen. Jen's freshly clean daughter has just moved in with her, and brought her own two kids with her. The kids have been taken before from this woman...and she is just finally trying to get her act together. Jen was so angry, and blaming everything on her daughter and we had to explain to her that it's the drugs doing the stupid actions and not her daughter. Jen then continued to say, well it's her own fault, I don't know where she got it from...I raised her right.
    So I piped up and said, okay, if a person's upbringing has so much to do with it...then how come so many pampered rich kids turn into coke junkies? So I talked some more about it with her...and it turns out that Jen's husband at the time (the father also) was an alcoholic. So I looked her straight in the eyes and said, drug abuse and alcoholism is genetic...and hereditary. So she started bawling, and went home to work some stuff out with her daughter...I don't really know if I helped with the recovery aspect...but Jen definitely isn't blaming her daughter for as much as she was before. I'm not saying that 100% of the time it has to be hereditary, but the majority of the time plays a role.
    I have to be very very careful, about half my family are either drunks or addicts...on BOTH sides. My mom was a full blown alcoholic, and drank a ton while she was pregnant with my sister. When my sister was born, my mother gave her up for adoption and my sister was raised in a two parent, middle class, church going family. When my mom reunited with her at the age of 16, she was already addicted to cocaine...despite it all so it just goes to show you
    The mom is doing the right thing by making her daughter hit rock bottom but if i was the mom I would make damn sure that her old friends werent around whenever possible!

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    That's so sad and unfortunatly there's not alot you can do except offer support if / when she gets clean. I agree with Polecat about the dealers. I have had alot of addict friends over the years. I hate what heroin does to people and how weak it makes them. Dealers can spot an ex addict a mile away and they know how hard it is for ex users to say no to a shot especially when they're feeling down. I'm guessing this is what happened to your friend, I've seen it happen a hundred times if not more!
    I know it seems selfish from the outside looking in but your friend is probably just dealing with emotional pain the only way she knows. One things for sure, it does work, just at an extreemly high cost. Once hooked, it's damned hard to get away from.
    Does your area have decent needle exchange programmes? I used to pick-up clean injecting kits, containers for disposal and sterile water for my friends, they're supplied free here, but alot of my friends were too paranoid to get them themselves. I've had quite a few recovering addicts stay from time to time, but there's certainly easier things to take on, plus you have to be militant about keeping anyone away who may remotely be connected with heroin use which is harder than expected!
    I hope your friend gets it together sooner and not later and I hope theres help for her to learn how to cope in future too.

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    Remind me to call my parents and tell them how much I love them.
    "The problem with the world is that everyone is a few drinks behind."
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    Those people are way lost in their little world.I don't think it's worth helping them out at all.I tried once and got my house burglarized as a
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena_666 link=board=1;threadid=12191;start=msg157021#msg157 021 date=1092629356
    The worst part about this is that she just gave birth 3 months ago and is still breastfeeding.
    Then she needs to lose either the needle or the kid. Take a close look at Lena's post.


    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena_666 link=board=1;threadid=12191;start=msg157021#msg157 021 date=1092629356
    Apparently her boyfriend broke up with her and she said she coulden't handle the pain. So she started shooting up heroin.
    That is such utter bullshit that it's almost comical. Her bf leaves her so she starts sticking needles in her arm? Uh, most people just drink whisky while listenind to slow music. Or go neurotic... she starts shooting up?

    That's an excuse.

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    Girl if you really care about her, them call the police NOW! Get that baby outta that home ASAP! No child should EVER be exposed to any of that stuff much less be ingesting it through her milk. That is blatent child abuse and I for one will not stand for it! Get that kid outta there yeaterday, before it becomes addicted or worse DIES of an overdose.

    Sorry guys about getting fired up like that, but that shit really pisses me off.

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    This is a bad bad scene. For a so called "victimless crime" there are a lot of victims. I am the son of an alcoholic and the (ex?)boyfriend friend of an alcoholic who is trying to get her shit together.

    We need to be a lot more serious about treating drug addiction and the like as a health condition and not a crime. No one arrests an alcoholic for being an alcoholic, but they will arrest a heroin user for being a heroin user. Yet it is the same damn thing.

    It can be incredibly frustrating to watch someone you love just fall apart literally. I had to let my girlfriend drop bottom (finally arrested - she thought rehab sucked until she went to jail.) We had the police stomping around the house at least once a week, then she started making accusations and shit and when she got arrested, she was out of the house. I had the locks changed and everything. I helped her with a hotel room for three nights and told her "you better find a sober living house or a peice of cardboard to stand next to the street lights with.") She did, but then she decided to shack up with this guy who wanted to be her boyfriend for the longest time. Suppossedly it is platonic, but who the fuck knows? Part of me wants her back, but then the other part is like "Oh hell no!" and can&#039;t even bring myself to trust another woman.

    (The girlfriends before her were peices of work too. But like I have told Topaz, it is a rut we get into because we don&#039;t know any better.)

    Add to that, Afghanistan is the number one provider of heroin, and that stuff is not made in the free parts of Afghanistan but the Taliban and warlord parts. I saw on FOX News last night 1 billion dollars (1,000,000,000.00!) go to these punks who then prop up their own armies with it (can anyone say FARC in Columbia?) The Taliban was propped up with drug money.

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    This child needs to go to a safe place, but foster care might not be the best option. Does the baby have a loving, reliable aunt or grandparent?

    I hate saying this, but this kid is barely born and already its life is ruined.
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    Nina, any state child protection agency is legally mandated to use relative placement for a child whenever possible. While caseworkers don&#039;t always investigate to find relatives, it&#039;s pretty easy for any relative to get a security clearance and child.



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    THE BAKER ACT
    The Baker Act is a state law that allows a law enforcement officer, or, if they have a court order, a medical professional or private individual to involuntarily place a person in a specialized mental health center to see if that person poses a threat to himself or someone else.
    The center can hold the person for up to 72 hours while a psychiatric evaluation is done. If the person is no longer a danger, they must be released within the 72 hours. If the center thinks the person needs treatment, it can suggest the person be voluntarily commited to the center or it can petition the court for involuntary placement. The center has the right to keep the person until the court hearing, which must take place within five days. EDIT: i found this article on-line, which did not show up, so no i did not write this and did not want to appear as so.


    This may be worth a try. I have done it to a loved one, and we deal with this all the time in the hospital. She will lose her child, as she is "harming" the child, and she may get a court order after release to remain under state watch on an out-patient basis.

    Sure beats killing a child, or herself. And i agree with Lena, gosh how true. A baker act will get both out of harms way, this is worth a try for her too (mother.) At times a family member has to "baker act" the adult, however any call from anyone will get the child help.

    Good luck,

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    Thanks to everyone who responded (esp you tiff )
    I will let eveyone know what the outcome of this is.
    I hope its good *fingers crossed* and maybe when she realizes that it is very probable that she will lose her child that will wake her up enough to try and help herself.
    She has kicked drugs before so hopefully now that she has her baby she will realize that she has so much to live for!
    By telling her mom about her problem she was obviuosly crying out for help so hopefully that means she knows she dosen&#039;t want to live that life(of a drug addict).
    Although sadly I think she will problay deal with this on and off for the rest of her life :&#039;(
    Everything happens for a reason and maybe she will pull out of it.
    It&#039;s never to late.
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    Truly....good luck to all parties.
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    Keep us updated on how things progress....

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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=1;threadid=12191;start=msg157034#msg157 034 date=1092630265
    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena_666 link=board=1;threadid=12191;start=msg157021#msg157 021 date=1092629356
    Someone in her circle has it, gave/sold it to her, or otherwise created the problem. That&#039;s the one to find, beat to a bloody pulp, maim, permanently disable or otherwise convince of the error of their ways to stop the cycle from happening to anyone else.

    Remember, for every dealer you take out- you save dozens of lives.

    I totally disagree. I had a boyfriend die from a drug overdose and I felt the same way. Thank God I had some street smart people in my life who set me straight. You can&#039;t blame a dealer for a bad decision made by a person who is an adult and is expected to make her own decisions in life. Obviously she does not have proper psychological support in her life. That is really terrible.
    Prohibition is what causes the exploitation of people who really need professional help. If your friend could go to Walmart and get a vile of heroin, it would probably not be anywhere near as expensive, strong or addictive as the stuff that she is now forced to get in the streets. How many people do you know of now days who get highly addictive, dangerous moonshine from their local flophouse; instead of simply going to the liquor store?
    Most drug dealers are drug addicts themselves. They don&#039;t see drugs as being a bad thing they see it as the best thing in their life. Substance abuse will always be a terrible thing, but prohibition makes it much worse.
    Please try to get your friend into a psychiatrist who can prescribe the proper medication to help her get through her mental problems. It also helps to go to group therapy like narcotics anonymous. Even learning about health, like yoga, can be a great tool in helping her to get her life in order.
    Beating up a bunch of drug addicts and putting them in prison does not do anyone any good at all.


    Kitana is right about the blatant child abuse. Every child deserves a safe and nurturing environment. It&#039;s not ok to sacrifice a child&#039;s well being just because the mother is not receiving the psychiatric help that she should be.
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    I lost someone very very VERY dear to me to "this". I went through hell and back, and ...at this point I can say no more-This is too difficult to talk about.

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