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    Help, I clear my stages all the time! The girls who go before me usually pack the stage, and then once I go up, mostly everyone leaves. I realize I am not a lot of people's type, as I am a very aquired taste---but that many people? A lot of times, before I even approach the stage, people leave as soon as the girl's dance before mine is done. How can I get people to pack my stage?

    Brought this up because last night, I was the only girl who could not fill up the stages. And this happens very frequently. Oh, also, for the men who do sit at my stages and who do like me, do you guys think they notice that they are the only ones there? Do you think it sends them a subconcious message that says, "Nobody's here--well, this girl must be worse than I think." And then they jump on the bandwagon and join the herd of people leaving. Most people were preferring to sit at an empty stage rather than at mine. There has to be something I can do to bring people to my stage. Thanks for anyone's input!

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    Hm. I have kind of a classy persona on stage, which doesn't particularly excite bachelor parties or groups of boys. I don't mind, cause the older men that like me have more $$.

    I think packing a stage is all about confindence.



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    In reply to Verfolgung, I have a rather unusual look--very dark and exotic--long, dark hair, dark eyes, dark skin, petite (but with larger than average boobs for my size), maybe 5'9" in heels. Often I am told I look like Bettie Page, because I have bangs like hers. And I have tattoos (common at my club). So I guess I look like a Middle Eastern-type rockabilly chick. Some say I look goth (minus the usual pallor of pale skin), even if I am wearing all white. Anyway, I am not the type who generally appeals to the masses, you know? At my club, any kind of touching during dances on stage is prohibited, but I do give as much up close and personal attention to individuals as I can. I must admit that I should probably do that more often. I've done the come-hither thing, too, and I'm usually able to get a tip from them, but they don't come to my stage for a seat.

    Lena, that's what kind of happens to me. No one will be at my stage except for a couple of older guys who will shower me with money. That would be fine, if only they were there showering me everytime my stage was empty! Of course, ideally, I want the packed stage AND money showers, he he.

    Thanks for your input, guys.

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    Girl I feel ya! I can seem to fill up my stage either! We have more of a hippy hoppy crowd on weekends and playing Pantera's "Walk" usually dosen't do it for them. But I still make money on stage, but no where near as much as I would like.

    So I am asking for help to I guess, LOL. There is one girl every weekend who always makes at least $100 every time on stage. If I tried to dance like her I would look like I was having an epileptic seisure on stage!

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    We always get the hip hop crowd, too. There are only a few artists that I like from the hip hop genre, but other than that I hate it. I don&#039;t like the newer R & B either. I play mostly Frech music, techno, 80s, industrial, goth, and even Frank Sinatra. I always get compliments on my music, so I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the problem. I wish it were that simple.

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    Go up to a few different groups of guys and introduce yourself. After talking for a few minutes mention your up on stage soon and would they like to come up and get a closer look.

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    Oh my Gawd! I work with a girl that looks like she could be of middle eastern decent, and she is having the same problem. She is in fact native american, but is getting discriminated against by ignorant customers.

    I suggest that the DJ maybe introduce you as maybe a greek or Italian beauty, and see if that makes any difference. Can you pass as ploynesian? this is all about fanatasy anyhow, so go with what makes the money.

    I&#039;m sorry you have to deal with this crap. As if it isn&#039;t just enough to be naked in front of complete strangers. I did some dances for a black man in a very red neck club, and some of the other customers refused to buy dances from me because I was willing to dance for a black guy. My first thought is "what the heck difference does it make? a customer is a customer and I am paid to dance for the customers. After being pissed off for a while, I find other guys to dance for, and get over it. At the same time I think about how we are living in a very enlightened age, and I still hear about this crap.


    Promote yourself and earn more money! This is a business that is owned by strippers for strippers. Let's make that money!


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    The more people you impress ....... not just tallk to before you go on stage the more will follow you up to the stage. Try asking whoever you are sitting with to come with you..... alot of times that helps. I agree that you need to pay a lot of attention to people as individuals..... physical contact helps, but it&#039;s all in the way you carry yourself. Making rounds through the club and conversating with as many people as possible helps too. I don&#039;t knw how many times customers have said that no one has even tried to initiate a conversation with them. What about your stage show itself? Do you look awkward on stage or are you slow and sensual? Do you smile or do you look like you hate your job?

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    I&#039;m still trying to find a style of dance that I like and that works for me. Most of the time when I ask a customer that I&#039;m sitting with to go up to my stage, they don&#039;t want to. As far as ethnicity goes, that night I don&#039;t think it was an issue. There were Africans, there were Mexicans, etc. etc. who were packing the stages and getting money showers. Hmm, maybe I don&#039;t pack the stages when there are a ton of people there because by the time people really start to arrive, I&#039;m worn out from working all day. It probably shows, too.


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    Paris I feel ya there girl. But try this it might work for you, it did for me.

    If they get mad &#039;cause your dancing for the black guy in a redneck bar, tell the rednecks that "I don&#039;t give a rat&#039;s ass about that ghetto punk, I would rather have his money them him spendit on that stupid carp that they always spend it on."

    And vice/versa if it&#039;s a black crowd and the redneck gets dances, tell the black guys that " I just wanted to take all his money before he went out and spent it on a sheep to fuck for the night."

    I am not a racist in the least, but there are many people who are. So play up on it. It might work for a little while. Make them work against each other for your time. That way you can maximize you customer base, while not pissing too many people off. And not to mention taking all the cash!

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    I&#039;ve always packed my stage...and let me tell you...it&#039;s all about music, mind-set, and "connection". Maybe change the music you use, do a quick "pep talk" to yourself shortly before you step on-stage, and make sure that you really "connect" to your audience. Your very mind-set that you "always clear the stage" may be pushing people away. Even if there is no one at the stage, but people in the far back seats...look at them while you&#039;re dancing...smile...be seductive...draw them in. You may be pleasantly surprised how people will begin "moving" towards the stage...

    Good luck!

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    I would just pay the DJ to keep you off stages and better utilize my time working on customers. Whatever the reason is, unless your earnings are mostly stage-based, its probably not advantageous for you to stage at all then.

    In many clubs I&#039;ve worked, less traditional-looking women often do not stage, but still score big approaching customers for laps.

    Good luck!

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    wow... i&#039;ve only been dancing a week and a half, and i pack the stages. i can&#039;t do pole tricks, i don&#039;t do the booty clap or any other sort of weird thing, and i&#039;ve got short hair and lots of tattoos-- not the standard stripper type.

    are you dancing to music you like to listen to when you&#039;re relaxing? this is a HUGE drawback for me when i&#039;m on stage. i&#039;ve found that when i&#039;m dancing to upbeat rock, hiphop, or techno, rather than the ethereal music i prefer at home, i do a lot better. i&#039;m putting on a show, i&#039;m a character, and genesis (my stage name) likes this sort of upbeat stuff. i dance a lot harder and bigger (if that makes sense) on stage than i do tableside... since i&#039;m not right in the guys faces i need to make bigger moves and radiate ten times more confidence to get people there.

    also, the most neglected part of a girl&#039;s stage performance that i see is her entrance. don&#039;t shuffle along to the stage and look shy waiting for the music to start. stalk on stage, extend those legs all the way from your hips, get your chin in the air, your chest up, and your shoulders back... and SMILE. the reason i think i make so much on stage is the first five seconds when i walk up there like i&#039;m the absolute shit-- not because i&#039;m the best dancer, cause i&#039;m not.

    also, make eye contact. don&#039;t watch yourself in the mirrors, watch the guys. if a guy is glancing at you, even for a second, he&#039;s going to give you money if you give him a reason. walk over to him and look him straight in the eye, smile, and dance like you&#039;re dancing just for him. but don&#039;t stay there forever-- if he doesn&#039;t tip you after 20 seconds or so, give him a coy little glance (if you can do a slight pout, even better), toss your head, and walk off toward the next guy. this drives them NUTS! (and i get two to five dollars most of the time from these guys... they want to make up for seeming to blow me off in the first place). its not necessary to do stuff like bend over and show &#039;em everything you&#039;ve got-- let your expression tell them how you&#039;re totally into them.

    again, i&#039;m not an expert, yet, but i make forty dollars at least every time i go on stage, and almost all of my table dances are a result of guys trying to get me off stage-- i usually have five lined up before i ever get off stage.

    also, your exit is important-- don&#039;t break the haughty confidence when you&#039;re putting your clothes back on... let people think you not only love being naked but that you know you&#039;re hot shit and they&#039;re going to have to fall over themselves to spend time with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by violet st. claire link=board=9;threadid=12223;start=msg167163#msg167 163 date=1093905140
    wow... i&#039;ve only been dancing a week and a half, and i pack the stages. i can&#039;t do pole tricks, i don&#039;t do the booty clap or any other sort of weird thing, and i&#039;ve got short hair and lots of tattoos-- not the standard stripper type.

    are you dancing to music you like to listen to when you&#039;re relaxing? this is a HUGE drawback for me when i&#039;m on stage. i&#039;ve found that when i&#039;m dancing to upbeat rock, hiphop, or techno, rather than the ethereal music i prefer at home, i do a lot better. i&#039;m putting on a show, i&#039;m a character, and genesis (my stage name) likes this sort of upbeat stuff. i dance a lot harder and bigger (if that makes sense) on stage than i do tableside... since i&#039;m not right in the guys faces i need to make bigger moves and radiate ten times more confidence to get people there.

    also, the most neglected part of a girl&#039;s stage performance that i see is her entrance. don&#039;t shuffle along to the stage and look shy waiting for the music to start. stalk on stage, extend those legs all the way from your hips, get your chin in the air, your chest up, and your shoulders back... and SMILE. the reason i think i make so much on stage is the first five seconds when i walk up there like i&#039;m the absolute shit-- not because i&#039;m the best dancer, cause i&#039;m not.

    also, make eye contact. don&#039;t watch yourself in the mirrors, watch the guys. if a guy is glancing at you, even for a second, he&#039;s going to give you money if you give him a reason. walk over to him and look him straight in the eye, smile, and dance like you&#039;re dancing just for him. but don&#039;t stay there forever-- if he doesn&#039;t tip you after 20 seconds or so, give him a coy little glance (if you can do a slight pout, even better), toss your head, and walk off toward the next guy. this drives them NUTS! (and i get two to five dollars most of the time from these guys... they want to make up for seeming to blow me off in the first place). its not necessary to do stuff like bend over and show &#039;em everything you&#039;ve got-- let your expression tell them how you&#039;re totally into them.

    again, i&#039;m not an expert, yet, but i make forty dollars at least every time i go on stage, and almost all of my table dances are a result of guys trying to get me off stage-- i usually have five lined up before i ever get off stage.

    also, your exit is important-- don&#039;t break the haughty confidence when you&#039;re putting your clothes back on... let people think you not only love being naked but that you know you&#039;re hot shit and they&#039;re going to have to fall over themselves to spend time with you.
    Thanks, Violet. I do have a sort of problem when entering the stage. Have you done go-go dancing? I used to, and the movements had to be really big, but I don&#039;t think that&#039;s the case here. Our stages are not that big. I will take some of your advice. By the way, you are really cute. So I&#039;m sure that helps you along.

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    yeah, i used to go go dance in college... i don&#039;t dance as fast and as "ravey" when i strip, obviously, but i try to keep the same mindset... if your stage isn&#039;t that big, though, i can understand how you might be a little self-concious.

    and thank you for the compliment!


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    even if you don&#039;t draw a crowd with just the dj introducing you. There one way to do it. Come out confident look around the room at least one guy has to be watching and make steady eye contact with him. Dance like you are dancing for him and he will come to the stage, then other guys will follow.

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    Thanks, you guys, for the luck and input. Lately, I&#039;ve been able to attract more people to my stages. They are not yet packed, but at least there hasn&#039;t been like, only one or two people there.

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    I often clear the stage at my current &#039;home&#039; club, especially when I go up after one of the really young girls dancing to "popular" music and doing lots of crazy pole tricks.

    But I don&#039;t mind, I go right up and smile and start doing my thing. I&#039;m a bit more of a subtle seducer, with sly smiles, less flashy but equally as effective moves, expressions, different music, eye contact, etc. And by the end of my set the stage is once again packed with a different crowd. Some girls pack them in instantly with their recognizable (IMO overplayed) songs or flashy intro moves; I bring them up one by one with my quieter approach. Both approaches are about equally effective at bringing in the dollars.


    Moral: Using very familiar songs (ie, Top40) and attention-grabbing pole tricks/moves OR subtle moves and lots of eye contact both work at packing stages. Pick one that suits you and work it for all it&#039;s worth ladies!

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    Connection is the key.. I have had my fair share of people leave when its my turn as well, but, there have also been times where I&#039;ve gotten off stage and people have left. I think it just depends on the crowd and most importantly, YOU.

    If you go up there and you aren&#039;t confident they are going to notice... I will sometimes go to the end of the stage when there are guys looking at me from the bar and take a chair and push it in their direction.. or I will motion for them to "come hither".. when I am lacking people at my rail. But, this is usually last resort and when its slow-those two hours between quitting time and dinner time. (5-7).

    I fit in the same category as Bridgette.. I am a more subtle dancer, I don&#039;t use a lot of fancy moves (anymore), and once I get someone at my rail, I lock them with my eyes.. and it works. I had one man tell me once, "I couldn&#039;t take my eyes off you because you had me spellbound" Corny I know, but making eye contact is the key really. If you look directly into someone&#039;s eyes, they are going to like you and if you are slow and seductive, and the more eye contact you give them, the better the effect.

    Don&#039;t take it personally, I think it happens to all of us from time to time and even if they don&#039;t come to the stage, still give a performance as if someone were sitting there.



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    Me too. I think as a more subtle, sensual dancer I attract more well behaved men with more money. I really don&#039;t mind when I go up on stage and the kids and wanna be gangsta guys get up and leave, because I know that the quality customers are going to replace them. I&#039;d rather have ten quality customers at my stage than thirty broke kids.



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    When I used to dance I had the same problem...all these opinions are great. They help alot. One day I will make my triumphant return to dancing because I know it&#039;s something I could really enjoy. All these tips I&#039;ll try to remember when I go back.
    And everyone is right...confidence is key not only to your stage show but all around in the business.
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    I agree--I would rather have a few quality customers than 30 broke customers. Yesterday, I did make more eye contact and had more confidence and stuff, and I noticed a change for the better. Even guys who did not quite like my type (I&#039;m an ethnically diverse exotic girl--they were kind of rednecky), stayed a tipped a few bucks. I have also been wearing less makeup and bigger earrings. I swear, everytime I wear those earrings I do pretty well. I hope to keep this up more, and the stage-clearing less.

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    I will always tip a dancer who makes eye contact. The dancer who spends the entire time staring at herself in the mirror gets nothing.
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    Ofcourse it is nice and profitable to have all your stage seats filled but try to remember it&#039;s not really about how many are watching you perform-- it&#039;s about how well you perform for those watching.

    If you keep that little saying in your head while on stage I think you&#039;ll find more and more people being drawn into you shows


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    Hi. I am a Dj of 16 Years, I think the dj should promote you more. Here is a trick i do for some of my girls that have this problem.
    I tell the customers, " hey guys my next girl is gonna take it all off, and auction off her thong.
    Meanwhile you put on 2 thongs and take a towel to stage. the second song, the dj starts the bidding at 10 bucks, go in 5 dollar increments. 10, 15, 20, ect.
    Then you put on the towel around your waist. reach under the towel, take off the top pair.
    Pull them out, (your still wearing the other pair under the towel, but they don't know that.)
    toss them to the highest bidder.
    There you have it.
    You packed the stage, did something diff, pushed the rules without even coming close to breaking them, and got a good amount for a 5 dollar thong.
    Remember bidding starts at 10 dollars.
    Thats just one thing that works great, unless you work in a nude club.

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