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    that 60% of all married men fuck around on their wives?....i wonder what the percentage of all men that fuck around on their s.o.'s is....probably around 80% or 90%...

    now i'm not so concerned about disappering desire to become married with children...because if the odds of hooking up with someone that WILL fuck around is that high...then i'd rather be by myself....
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    I would say that the 60% number is kinda low.

    I'd guess it would be higher but probably most guys don't want to admit they've cheated or the women who report their husbands haven't cheated on them just haven't caught them yet.

    My dad's cheated on my mom a couple of times.

    Also my mom's brother has cheated on his wife and has even had a mistress.

    So, yes I think it is common for a guy to cheat on his wife whether or not people want to admit it is another story.

    Most guys aren't strong enough to go through a long term marriage without cheating on their wife. This is a fact. Call it mid life life crisis or just being a man. Or whatever other excuse.




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    The reality, say experts, is it happens more often than not. And contrary to conventional wisdom it's not just men who stray.

    More than 50 percent of all married women, at some point, cheat on their mates, according to psychologist Bonnie Eaker Weil, who has written several books on adultery. That's just married women what about the ones dating and engaged?

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    This is news?

    Monogamy is not a natural state for humans. But marriage is a contract and cheating carries the risk of the partner falling for the person they are cheating with which causes financial and childrearing issues.

    Then you have the issue of diseases.

    I just wish that people could communicate better and agree to have open relationships if that is what they desire to make the relationship work. But it would totally KILL the stripping industry LOL.

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    This is really upsetting & traumitizing to hear...seriously. :'(

    My dad cheated on my mom so many times since I could remember(the age of 3), and the at 22 me, my mom, & my little sister witnessed the most horrific thing ever from him. Yes, we heard him by mistake having relations with another woman over the phone. I sware I thought my mom was gonna have a heart attack. I was so afraid for her. EVER since that day I lost total 100% respect for him. I didn't want to see him ever, he made me sicker to my stomach than my exes.

    So an advice from a daughter to you guys who are married with children....

    Please, if you do not want your kids hating your guts for the rest of their life....think with the head upstairs instead of the one down there. And don't even consider marrying a woman if you're not so sure of your feelings & wind up doing this shit. It's a total heart break, I WAS daddy's little girl. Break my mom's heart, break mine too. :'(

    It's a total shame I saw my dad treat my mom like shit for years, but this last time was the icing to the fucking cake!! With having to grow up with this bullshit, i'm surprised that I haven't became a gold digging whore/man abuser. I treat the man I love like a KING. Good women like me & my mom, & i'm sure alot of you girls on here are not appreciated much & should be treated the way we should be treated....With RESPECT!

    IT IS VERY SAD.

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    my dad did the same thing to my mom...left her with a toddler (that would be me) and a newborn to be with another woman...then he left her for another woman...and so on...i don't hate him...i'm indifferent...feel about him the same way i feel about a tree...

    just like i am about most men in general...i've pretty much given up on them...and these infidelity facts just decreased the chance that i will ever want to get married...or even date again for that matter...'cause i have ZERO tolerance for infidelity...and that's not going to change...if the chances of a man being faithful are non-exsistant...then i don't want to be with one....
    Why do some people still have to fight...to get the same opportunities...that are given to others??...

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    My dad is also a cheater. Since my mom went to back to Russia for work he started to bring his mistresses to their home until my brother punched him in the face over it.

    I also have the feelings you have Topaz. Sometimes when I walk through the mall or an airport I see the men that I dance for in the evenings walking with their wives and kids and it also makes me nauseous.

    As a stripper, I sure am not helping the situation. Somehow I find a way to channel that hatred into more positive profitable avenues.

    Not all men are evil. I know soooooo many great guys out there. My man is one of them, and if he has ever cheated on me I don't know it and don't want to know it. Sometimes its best just to be ignorant or in denial about the dark nature of people.

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    I'm not sure what propaganda source you've gotten those statistics from Topaz, but the last report I read (Newsweek) was female infidelity has risen to 15% versus the 11% in the past year, whereas male infidelity has stayed at a constant 22%. Go go ladies!

    I'm with Kat here. I think the topic of open relationships needs to be seriously put on the table at the very beginning, even if neither party has any initial desire to wander. If a couple can work out this facet and deem themselves a strong enough spiritual bond to disallow any kind of 'pleasures of the flesh' to break that bond, the relationship stands a much better chance of survival and opens floodgates of communication that may not be there otherwise. I don't prefer open relationships, but the ones I've been in have always had the strongest bond as the one I love is given complete freedom to behave as she feels fit and knows that there is no topic 'taboo' for her to bring to my attention, even if it's something as usually earth shattering as wanting to have sex with another man. I'd rather know these things and help her to explore them than have them pent up or hidden.. or a source of unhappiness.

    I am also floored to hear people trying to put a 'gender' line on infidelity. I do not see the organ in one's underpants being the dividing line between fidelity or faithfulness. It's as stupid a concept and identical to racial bias.. so you might as well also just blurt that 'only niggers commit crimes' or similar. These are societal/social and environment issues from a past male dominated society, religious system and moral principle dictation.

    I'm very happy to live in a region that is more progressive in this aspect and hear peer males bitch and complain about it all the time. They complain because they are losing control. No longer does driving a BMW and wearing a Rolex have as much pull as it used to here, especially when so many of the women here are educated, independent, financially secure and strong willed. Suddenly men are expected to have actual substance and it doesn't go over very well... they are left trying to import wives from Thailand or Indonesia so they can continue to ride their female servantile illusion for as long as possible. The independent, secure and educated women in this area are just as likely to wander as men as they have more options and aren't co-dependent nor fit into 'traditional' female roles any more... it's clear as day and quite liberating. I only hope this trend will continue (i.e. they still have a million miles to go, even here) and will also spread to other regions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165345#msg165 345 date=1093648655
    my dad did the same thing to my mom...left her with a toddler (that would be me) and a newborn to be with another woman...then he left her for another woman...and so on...i don't hate him...i'm indifferent...feel about him the same way i feel about a tree...just like i am about most men in general...i've pretty much given up on them...and these infidelity facts just decreased the chance that i will ever want to get married...
    That is a terrible way to feel about a parent. To be honest with you, I would rather have him leave after I was born, probably would've been better that way. I grew up with this craziness drama at home. Not a great way to be raised.

    And surprisingly, I still have hope to find a good man out there. You should too. Yes, it's going to be like a needle in a hay stack....but us good women deserve to have a good man & shouldn't lose the faith. It's not fair either. Eventually we have to give in somehow, just gotta be extra super duper careful in who we choose in our life. I know some good men out there who treat their women like gold. My brother with his wife for one, and i'm not saying that bc he's my brother lol. I def. know that when he was younger he was a little player, but those were his younger days. That stage too out passes a guy until he is ready & mature enough to find true love. See there is a big difference between what kind of a man my brother & my dad is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165363#msg165 363 date=1093649580
    I'm not sure what propaganda source you've gotten those statistics from Topaz, but the last report I read (Newsweek) was female infidelity has risen to 15% versus the 11% in the past year, whereas male infidelity has stayed at a constant 22%. Go go ladies!

    Do you really believe those figures?

    Only 22% of males have cheated.

    Are you smoking the good stuff?

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    Most guys I know do not "cheat" on their wives and vice versa. Now, ask the question, "how many couples are happy and satisfied in their relationships"? Different question.

    I for one am happy in my relationship, however, I love to flirt and look at beautiful young women. My wife knows that and we have incorporated that into our relationship. Why? Because as you get older your relationship needs to grow. Its stagnation that leads to divorce. Luckily my wife, being an artist, also loves the beauty of a young naked woman. Lucky me.

    Fucking is completely different. Its outside the realm of fantasy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldclubbing link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165376#msg165 376 date=1093650613
    Most guys I know do not "cheat" on their wives and vice versa. Now, ask the question, "how many couples are happy and satisfied in their relationships"? Different question.

    I for one am happy in my relationship, however, I love to flirt and look at beautiful young women. My wife knows that and we have incorporated that into our relationship. Why? Because as you get older your relationship needs to grow. Its stagnation that leads to divorce. Luckily my wife, being an artist, also loves the beauty of a young naked woman. Lucky me.

    Fucking is completely different. Its outside the realm of fantasy.

    Are you with these guys that "do not cheat" 24 hours a day throughout the whole course of the time they are in a relationship?

    Enough said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asian_slacker link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165375#msg165 375 date=1093650506
    Do you really believe those figures?

    Only 22% of males have cheated.

    Are you smoking the good stuff?
    Do you really believe those figures?

    60% of married men cheat? All the good fathers, grandfathers, across most rural, mid-western, southern or other regions of the US? You actually agree that one of your grandfathers was out ho'ing around? (60% would clearly define one on your mother's or father's side was a cheater).

    Whatever it is YOU are smoking, I'd seriously like some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165380#msg165 380 date=1093650965
    Quote Originally Posted by asian_slacker link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165375#msg165 375 date=1093650506
    Do you really believe those figures?

    Only 22% of males have cheated.

    Are you smoking the good stuff?
    Do you really believe those figures?

    60% of married men cheat? All the good fathers, grandfathers, across most rural, mid-western, southern or other regions of the US? You actually agree that one of your grandfathers was out ho'ing around? (60% would clearly define one on your mother's or father's side was a cheater).

    Whatever it is YOU are smoking, I'd seriously like some.
    Ok, your lack of proper grammar and crazy talk just shows you are high on the "good stuff".

    "You actually agree that one of your grandfathers was out ho'ing around?"

    Where did I say my grandfather was out "hoing around". I said my mother's brother which would make him my UNCLE not grandfather.

    Anyways yes I do believe the 60% figure and I think it is even higher than that.




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    your damn right i believe the 60% number...in fact...i believe the percentage is higher...'cause not only did my so called 'good' grandfather (as most people thought of him) fuck around...he tried to fuck me...and when i was dating...i've had several 'men' lie to me about their s.o.'s...and male friends have told me about their indiscretions...

    so yeah...i believe it...and no longer care to search for 'the one' anymore because of it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by asian_slacker link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165385#msg165 385 date=1093651298
    Ok, your lack of proper grammar and crazy talk just shows you are high on the "good stuff".
    First sign of someone in heavy denial- the inability to stay on topic and the absolute requirement to denounce others of opposite belief systems.

    Where did I say my grandfather was out "hoing around". I said my mother's brother which would make him my UNCLE not grandfather.
    Again, another clear example. The point given had absolutely nothing to do with your mother's brother's girlfriend's roomate's sister's father... It was pretty clearly stated:
    ---------/ Grand Mother
    Mother- Grand Father
    ---------/ Grand Mother
    Father - Grand Father.

    You have two Grand fathers, so by declaring a belief in a 60% trend, you are stating that you agree that one of your grandfather's was a cheater. If your mother has remarried, you are also identifying that either your real father or step father was also a cheater. You are creating a dynamic that 1 out of 2 (+10%) men that are married cheat. This is what 60% means. You failed to answer the question by convoluting it with some strange strain of relational basis... your belief in the 60% trend means you believe that one of every two of your grand fathers, uncles, married nephews, brothers, cousins are all cheaters. Just being clear on what you are saying is a fact.

    Anyways yes I do believe the 60% figure and I think it is even higher than that.
    Then we simply disagree... which is perfectly fine. We base our opinions on our own experiences and exposure. Yours has clearly been very different from my own. Now, if all the drug references and name calling can cease, you might actually have what I consider a valid opinion.

    But.. you are stating all from the previous example about your own family by making that statement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Topaz link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165395#msg165 395 date=1093651815
    your damn right i believe the 60% number...in fact...i believe the percentage is higher...'cause not only did my so called 'good' grandfather (as most people thought of him) fuck around...he tried to fuck me...and when i was dating...i've had several 'men' lie to me about their s.o.'s...and male friends have told me about their indiscretions...

    so yeah...i believe it...and no longer care to search for 'the one' anymore because of it...
    Don't bother changing the minds of people who think the rate is like 22% or some other low number.

    These are the same people who think O.J. Simpson hasn't commited murder.

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    No, Topaz is justified in her belief and has provided her experiences and reasoning for her belief in that statistic. I'd still be interested what source it came from, but it's a moot point since I honor and respect her perspective from her relaying of *why* she feels this way. An individual's own experiences and history is much more pertinent, important, realistic and telling than any poll or set of statistics of others.

    On the other hand, asian slacker has only provided that the his opinion is obviously correct because any other perspective smokes drugs, exercises poor grammar (??), is loaded with 'crazy talk' and believes OJ Simpson was innocent of committing murder (??). I really wish I could see the correlation.
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    saw it on a commercial for a new show called 'affairs'...along with the number 40% of all married women who fuck around on their husbands...didn't get where the numbers came from for the commercial...the print stating that was too small...and i wasn't wearing my specks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165400#msg165 400 date=1093652161
    You have two Grand fathers, so by declaring a belief in a 60% trend, you are stating that you agree that one of your grandfather's was a cheater.
    Clever use of statistics, but you know it doesn't work that way. He could easily know as a certainty that neither of his grandfathers cheated and believe both of yours did and still accept the figures given.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165428#msg165 428 date=1093653833
    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165400#msg165 400 date=1093652161
    You have two Grand fathers, so by declaring a belief in a 60% trend, you are stating that you agree that one of your grandfather's was a cheater.
    Clever use of statistics, but you know it doesn't work that way. He could easily know as a certainty that neither of his grandfathers cheated and believe both of yours did and still accept the figures given.
    I could never know for certain that my grandfathers have never cheated on their SO or wives since I wasn't with them 24 hours a day.

    But polecat was just trying to save face since he couldn't even properly interpret what "my mom's brother" means.

    According to polecat my mom's brother is my grandfather?


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    Men cheat on women, women cheat on men. A lot.

    This is why I'm glad my SO and I have an open relationship. About once a year we each have a shag with a person we happen to like (not planned as annual, just seems to happen like that) tell them that there's no way we'll date them because of the relationship and everyone's happy. Of course condoms are always used. We've both made a few missteps in handling it as we've gone along, but I agree with Katrine that monongamy is not a natural state for people. Generally we're very happy and avoid a lot of the jealousy issues most other couples have.
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    I remember reading at some point that the reason that most polls suggest that the percentage of women who cheat is lower than the percentage of men who cheat is that women are less likely to admit that they cheat because of the perception that society views it as less acceptable for women to cheat.

    Sorry college professors; can't remember the source.

    The actual truth, according to that forgotten source, was that cheating is roughly equal for both genders.

    This, to me, makes a fair amount of statistical sense unless you want to assume that 60% of men cheat with 15% of women or some other unbalanced ratio.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pan Dah link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165428#msg165 428 date=1093653833
    Clever use of statistics, but you know it doesn't work that way.
    Sure it does. 60% is 60%.

    This means 1 of 2, 2 of 4, 4 of 8, etc.etc. The statistical sample is 60% of any given body/collection. This means roughly over half of a given sample. This is the trend being supported.

    Topaz's own experiences with her relatives, and her own personal exposure has given support to her belief. There 's no doubt she believes the 60% trend, and moreover has personal experience to support her beliefs and this trend. She's justified and made it clear as such. I'd expect nothing less of another Leo.


    Quote Originally Posted by asian_slacker link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165438#msg165 438 date=1093654514
    But polecat was just trying to save face since he couldn't even properly interpret what "my mom's brother" means.

    According to polecat my mom's brother is my grandfather?
    Say, mr_slacker- do you actually ever post anything with any substance or reference? I'd be very interested where I suggested anything you've posted so far... Please do provide the quotes where I made even the slightest reference to your mother, brother or anyone else. What? They don't exist?

    I made my point very clear. If you are still unable to understand: two grandfathers @ 60% creates one that cheats, I'll be more than happy to clarify. You seem to be confused and I'm unsure where you are inventing your perpetual diatribe. If you believe in the 60% trend, then you believe that over half of all married men cheat. I'm still not getting where your mom's brother, OJ Simpson or drugs come into this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by asian_slacker link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165375#msg165 375 date=1093650506
    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=1;threadid=12789;start=msg165363#msg165 363 date=1093649580
    I'm not sure what propaganda source you've gotten those statistics from Topaz, but the last report I read (Newsweek) was female infidelity has risen to 15% versus the 11% in the past year, whereas male infidelity has stayed at a constant 22%. Go go ladies!

    Do you really believe those figures?

    Only 22% of males have cheated.

    Are you smoking the good stuff?
    No kidding!! Wanna share? They all stray!!!

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