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    That's about right. To convert yen to US$, you get it very roughly right by dividing by 100. In recent years, this gives 10 to 20 percent too much (in dollars). At the moment, about 10%. So, you get it closer by dividing by 100 and then subtracting 10%, so 200,000 yen is about US$1800 at the moment.

    Re Tokyo earning potential, it is a good idea to keep in mind that it is an expensive city in general and an easy place to spend a lot of money. Quite a few dancers in Tokyo have told me that they were earning more than they ever had before but also spending it almost as fast. So, in addition to working hard, you have to control your shopping/spending impulses if you want to save a lot of money while working in Japan, I guess.
    Just wanting to clarify to everyone that the US$1800 per night earnings potential is essentially based on a 12 hour workday ... with the first 4 hours spent getting ready for the "date" and going on the "date", and then going to the club to work the rest of the night i.e. another 8 hours. While 'dating' is not absolutely mandatory, it will have a MAJOR effect on your earnings potential both because of the lost income from your customer and because of lost income by not collecting "date bonuses" paid by the clubs.

    When dancers who don't live in Japan include airfare and 'apartment' expenses into their employment contract, this really amounts to a 'cash advance' on later earnings in Japanese clubs. Thus if you do not work out the full duration of your contract to the satisfaction of the clubowner, you can and will get stuck picking up part of the tab for these expenses yourself. Some clubs withhold all or part of a dancer's weekly "pay" until she leaves Japan, and if she has not fulfilled her contract she will not receive the withheld weekly "pay" - which will be used instead to defray the cost of her advance purchase plane tickets and her 'apartment'.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie link=board=27;threadid=12823;start=msg167533#msg16 7533 date=1093965685
    1 - Just wanting to clarify to everyone that the US$1800 per night earnings potential is essentially based on a 12 hour workday ... with the first 4 hours spent getting ready for the "date" and going on the "date", and then going to the club to work the rest of the night i.e. another 8 hours.

    2 - While 'dating' is not absolutely mandatory, it will have a MAJOR effect on your earnings potential both because of the lost income from your customer and because of lost income by not collecting "date bonuses" paid by the clubs.
    1 - It is certainly true that the hours are long (and indeed most people work longer hours in Japan than in a similar job in the US), but I think this is a little bit extreme or exaggerated. A typical gaijin strip club in Tokyo might require the dancers to arrive at 6pm for a 7pm club opening time, but a dancer that is out on a dohan/"date" and brings her customer back to the club with her is allowed to arrive later, by 8pm typically I think. She might meet her customer at 5pm (if he can get off work that early) to start their dohan/"date". As for prep time, I don't know how long most dancers spend getting ready for a dohan, but if any of the ones I've seen did anything special beyond what they normally do to get ready for a night's work, it wasn't obvious to me. The club probably closes at 2am or 3am, depending on the night of the week. So, not counting prep time, a typical day is probably 8-9 hours with no dohan/"date" and 9-10 hours with one; I think very few dancers have a dohan/"date" every night, so the average would be somewhere in between. It is almost always 6 nights per week (only Sundays off). So, a typical dancer work week might be in the 50-60 hours range (not counting prep time) but probably not 70 hours or more. Dancers who have worked the Tokyo clubs in recent years would know better than me and please correct me if I am wrong, but these are my impressions on the norms from the customer's side of the stage, so to speak.

    2 - Again from a customer perspective, I think this is exactly right. The dancers who are really making a bundle seem to lock in regulars who see them on dohans/"dates" and then come back to the club and spend a bundle on getting private dances from them on a regular basis, once every week or two. The dohan system is the major and most effective hustle for dancers and hostesses in Tokyo, as far as I can judge.

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    kitana - i left tokyo in mid-july this year.

    i do have a strange story about the possible illegality of lap-dances in japan. at the first club i worked at, the private dance bouncer was showing me the private dance room, and in one corner of the room wa a light, that he told me, would only come on when the police were coming. if that light was ever to come on, we were supposed to put our dresses on, leave the room, and say if questioned by the police the PD area was a bar area. he told me that PDs are illegal in japan too....... but in the next place i worked, this was not mentioned at all! i never bothered finding out the official stance on things (just how do you find out these things offically anyway?).

    re dohans - i really don't think they're a big deal! no-one goes on them every day. they are a waste of time on busy nights anyway, in my opinion, unless the guy is really mega-rich. i just used to dress like i was going on a date with a new guy - i didn't do my make-up like i do when i'm working - i think some customers are embarrassed to be out with girls who look too obviously like dancers anyway.

    re most popular body-types in tokyo clubs - of course the barbie-type girls are extremely popular (they are equally popular with the foreigner customers though!), i think the most important thing to be is very slim. japanese customers (especially older guys) can be verrry rude about/ to girls carrying even a little extra padding.

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    Re body types, you can see pics (none too professional or re-touched, notice all the "red eyes") of some of the Seventh Heaven dancers at

    http://www.seventh-heaven.com/sh/en/dancer.htm

    A lovely group of ladies for sure, but also not all barbies or super-model types either. Not so different from the women you'd find dancing in an upscale club in a major city anywhere, imo. Note that Seventh Heaven is probably the most famous and selective gaijin strip club in Tokyo, so "the bar" is probably not any higher at other clubs there.

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    I worked in Tokyo for almost 3 yrs. A few yrs ago 7th heaven. Agent was beauties abroad. Out of LA if still around. $ was good not great expirence was terrific the most fun I ever had. It's safe but if your up to no good you'l find no matter where you are. 2,000 is stipper talk(bullshit) I'd go though. The expirience is qiut worth it It will last a life time!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by domino0716 link=board=27;threadid=12823;start=msg175097#msg17 5097 date=1095149225
    expirence was terrific the most fun I ever had. ... 2,000 is stipper talk(bullshit) I'd go though. The expirience is qiut worth it It will last a life time!!
    Exactly! I'd say the same from the customer's side of the stage, so to speak. I've had more fun in Tokyo strip clubs than in clubs anywhere else...and just in general more fun in Tokyo than in any of the other many places I have visited around the world.

    It is not for everyone though. Many, like domino0716, will end up cherishing the experience as one of the high points of their lives, and many, like me, will spend the rest of their lives going back as often as possible/practical. But not everyone. For reasons I don't understand all that clearly, the place makes some people's skin crawl, and they can't wait to leave and never ever want to go back. I have met dancers who felt both ways. But, imo, it is sure as hell worth a try...even if the money is only "OK".

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    arghhh after reading aLL this i dont know what im getting myself into!!!! lol

    ah well, if its horrible, i can always come home, more the wiser.

    i leave next week, have spoken to a few girls.one (who is still on the seventh heaven website....the very last girl in the pics) made an astronomical amount in 7 weeks,just dancing. so im hoping for the best but6 realistically, im thinking USD $2500 pe week....

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    mermaid - i think that is a pretty good target - i aimed at about the same myself. in yen, my target was 40,000 per day monday - thursday, 70,000 per day friday and saturday. that's fairly moderate considering how much some girls are making, but it is do-able if you are new.

    and, it's not going to be horrible! it's going to be fun, ok!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mermaidnz link=board=27;threadid=12823;start=msg175981#msg17 5981 date=1095304380
    1 - ah well, if its horrible, i can always come home, more the wiser.

    2 - i leave next week
    1 - It is a good idea to keep an "open" return airline ticket back home, your passport and a stash of "pocket money" for a few day available at all times when spending an extended period in almost any foreign country. Almost certainly you'll never need it, but it buys you a certain peace of mind anyway.

    2 - Get rich, have a blast and KEEP US POSTED on your adventures, please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka
    I would love to go to Tokyo. How did any of you girls get in to this, getting info on it, etc.?

    So they are allowed ONLY to touch your bare breasts & ass? Do you have to be totally naked? I would only want to topless.

    Also, going out with them to dinner sounds a little risky. Do they at least do a background check up? And lets say if you do go to dinner with them, do they expect more than dinner?
    hey Vyanka,
    try www.worldagency.tv or www.thebestdancers.com for agents if your still interested in going to japan.
    yes they can touch your bare breasts and butt. the dancing os only topless except a 'breif flash' in the private dances.
    im still findingout more about the dohans...

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    Even if they did a backround check that wouldn't go too far in securing your safety. Although with the culture differences I wouldn't really worry about it. I don't think they are expecting anything extra because you go out to DINNER with them and not for drinks at a hotel or anything. I don't think the club would make it mandatory if it was risky. From what I've heard on this site no other girls really had a problem with it. It might be different from what you're used to, but don't sweat it, it'll be one of the nice culture things that you can talk about when you get back!

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    I guess the way to be the safest while on a dohan would be to -

    1. never go out on one after only meeting someone ONE time

    2. always travel by taxi

    3. leaving relevant information with at least two people (one locally, and one at home)

    4. never agree to go anywhere other than the place you agreed upon before hand (i.e. don't let him take you to someplace other than the originally agreed upon restaurant or shopping center)

    5. don't go anywhere where you would be alone with him (his car, remote tourist location, walk in a not so crowded park, etc, etc.)

    6. Always say exactly won't you WILL NOT AND WILL BE doing before going out with him (let him know that it's "just" dinner or "just shopping", don't assume it's understood)

    7. know enough of the native language to protect your safety. YOU be the one to tell the taxi driver where to go after the dohan on the way to the club, know how to ask for directions back to your hotel, or for help. And know how to contact emergency services.

    Now, I'm sure this isn't a complete list by any means, but maybe it's a start? And I'm also sure that there have been girls who didn't follow all of the above steps and returned safely. But only by being very careful, aware, knowledgable, untrusting, etc. can you be assured totally of your well-being - in any country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brittany
    I guess the way to be the safest while on a dohan would be to -
    6. Always say exactly won't you WILL NOT AND WILL BE doing before going out with him (let him know that it's "just" dinner or "just shopping", don't assume it's understood)

    7. know enough of the native language to protect your safety. YOU be the one to tell the taxi driver where to go after the dohan on the way to the club, know how to ask for directions back to your hotel, or for help. And know how to contact emergency services.
    I think dohans are actually quite safe, probably safer than going into a dark corner of the VIP room in most US clubs, and no big deal really...based mostly on the attitudes of the dancers I have met in Tokyo, but I can see why they seem like an intimidating idea/concept if you are not used to them...and used to Japanese ways of operating.

    Anyway, I think Brittany's #6 is an excellent idea for many reasons, not just safety ones; be polite of course (this is Japan afterall), but make sure the customer knows what he should and should not expect. It will make for happier and less stressful dohans for all concerned.

    And #7 is good advice when you go "out on the town" in any context, not just dohans. "Dame" (pronounced dah-meh with about the same emphasis on each syllable, roughly) is a useful word in this respect. It means "stop it" or "cut it out" and is the sort of thing an irritated mother might say to a misbehaving child or you might say to your BF/GF if you were pissed off at him/her. You don't need to yell it, but it should be said firmly and a little explosively...like an exclamation, so that it does not sound like teasing or playfulness. It is also something a dancer could say to a customer who is using his hands too aggressively, for example. It is informal, and thus impolite and therefore more forceful, for use with a customer and should not be used unless you are serious and don't mind giving at least mild offense. It is also colloquial and could lead to a Japanese person to think you are relatively fluent in the language and thus to reply with something you won't be able to understand, if they don't know otherwise.

    As for getting home on your own, nearly all hotels and most places a visitor would stay have little cards with an address, and often a map, on them for you to take out with you. If you show it to a taxi driver, he will take you there without the need for any verbal communication. Until they close, subways and trains are a fine way to get home; all you have to know is the name of the station near where you are staying. There are maps with English station name labels in all subway and train stations in Tokyo...though you may have to look around a bit for them in some places. And there are signs in English directing you to the platforms for the various lines heading in each direction and so forth. I find it far easier to navigate the Tokyo subway system than the NYC one, actually.

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    Hi everyone,
    Is anyone familiar with this agency
    I would like to know if they're legit or not. Thanks a lot, FD xo

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    danceinjapan? thats blue agency right??

    PM me, i know a bit about them

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    which agency is best?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaDancer
    Hi everyone,
    Is anyone familiar with this agency www.danceinjapan.com
    I would like to know if they're legit or not. Thanks a lot, FD xo

    yes, that is who i was going with before i found worldagency.tv
    it didnt seem as good - only because thy werent getting back to me

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    Thanks for the info, FD xo

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    so anyone who is dancing in japan how are you doing? and will a lightskin black girl with barbie proportions do well over there?

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    http://www.danceinjapan.com seems shady. The site has violated the copyrights of http://www.stripper-faq.org, lifting passages word for word. This is illegal.

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    I've heard too many of those Yukuza stories from Japanese girls I worked with. I really want to go myself, but I've pussy'd out now... maybe I'll reconsider in a couple of years. There was no comming back for a few of them after being sold to the Yukuza... remember alot of these men look at you as an item of power, not a human being... The dancejapan.com agency is very shady looking, it's been around a couple of years. Most of the stuff on there website trying to coax grls over there was unlawfully copied from a NY dancers website...
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    I just checked out the site. It's just so... hard and fast. All of the rules and specificities for getting your money and whatnot.

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    miss jessica.. Im the resident ELLE. shame on you..


    LMAO JUST KIDDIN!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Jessica
    I've heard too many of those Yukuza stories from Japanese girls I worked with. I really want to go myself, but I've pussy'd out now... maybe I'll reconsider in a couple of years.
    Well, I certainly would not want to encourage anyone to do anything that ended up putting them in danger, so I hesitate to comment further, but one thing I can tell you as a matter of fact is that Japanese people are at least as inclined to believe and repeat "urban legend" stories as anyone else and probably more than most. You should hear some of the crazy things I have been told by Japanese friends and colleagues. If you want examples, ask some of your Japanese friends about what they heard about crime risks in the US before they came here; they often have really crazy ideas/impressions.

    I once saw a translation of a Japanese tourist guide book advising Japanese visitors to NYC on crime safety precautions. It had suggestions like advising them to pause inside the doorway before leaving a building in NYC to listen for the sounds of gunfire in the street outside, which it described as a "common hazard". It also advised against approaching "bodies lying in the street". Basically it made NYC sound like a combat zone, which by Japanese standards it is in a way; the number of Japanese shot to death each year is typically under 20 (with a population around half that of the US).

    Anyway, I would be really surprised if dancing at a strip club in SF, or any big US city, is not MUCH more dangerous than dancing in a Tokyo club.

    It would be interesting to have Kitty-chan's comments on this topic as I think she is the best informed current SW member on dancing in Japan, but unfortunately she has not been around in over a month I think.

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    Girls, be aware that Japan is not what it used to be. I am here right now, and girls are lucky to make $500.00 USD a night, plus oh my GOD! Tokyo is soooooo expensive, meals, accomadations, maintanence, everything is almost double NY. 3-4 years ago, the Industry was great $2000 USD a night, now the strip clubs are turning into Hostess clubs, with the customer wasting a lot of your time for one dance, which is about $65 USD.
    When agents promise you$20 000-$30 000 a month, they are full of shit, and will be making high commissions chose to work.
    Don t come here if you have expectations andaresed to making top $$$ like me, because you will be in culture shock, miserable, diaspointed all at the same time. Tokyo has been such a waste of my time. I can make more money back home.

    And to someone that said that they prefer dancing for Japanese men because they are in Japan, it is known that you can make more money off of the American men, if they don t know the system and take advantage of the Hostess like atmosphere.
    I am blonde bue-eyed and perfect super model body, and even I am not cleaning out.
    There are all Eastern European women here, and this is contribution to the deteriorating Industry. There are no American dancers out here, at least I haven t met one, shame that I am the last that has to deal with the left overs!

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