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    There's any number of us that couldn't use Linux (or Mac, for that matter)even if we desperately wanted an alternative to Windows, and many of us do want an alternative to Windows. Because of Microsoft's dominance, there's just too much that we need to do our work that is Windows-specific. I could go to Linux to make my anti-Microsoft statement, but then I'd have to shut my doors, and I don't see the sense in that.

    Didn't HP throw its weight behind Linux a few years back when the revolution was noisier? Whatever happened with that?

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    I believe anyone with a broad band connection to the internet should be behind a router "hardware firewall"

    And the WInblows versus linux debate... hmm lets see get Mandrake 10.0 and it has every feature of windows and it works out of the box... and the best part its free. The only thing it doesn't have is a few plugins for mozilla... it also comes with GOOD burning and ripping software... something microsoft has yet to supply and probably never will

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=1;threadid=13065;start=msg170152#msg170 152 date=1094391866
    ^ Linux is only free if your time has no value.
    Windows is not free nor easy no matter how much time you devote to it. Lots of people make their living untangling it for users. It's a nerd's operating system, but not as much so as Linux. The hardware is cheap because it's a huge mass market. (Pay Steve now or pay Bill later.)
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    I believe anyone with a broad band connection to the internet should be behind a router "hardware firewall"
    Yes, they should. $50 for a Linksys BEFSR41 router and you're set. Too easy.

    Didn't HP throw its weight behind Linux a few years back when the revolution was noisier? Whatever happened with that?
    HP is second to only IBM in Linux related sales. Their technical computing division is really good with Linux and they market the hell out of it. Last I was working with HP gear and customers, they were doing about $1.6 Billion in Linux related workstations and servers. That doesn't suck.

    HP also dumps quite a bit of money into Linux development (they have a stake in Red Hat) and they give companies like Oracle all the free Linux hardware they want for developmental code. HP has hired a lot of really good codeheads from the Open Source movement to work in HP's house. HP also pushes and sells a boatload of Linux clusters.

    HP, like IBM, sees Linux as a long-term prospect that's worth the investment because both companies can make more margin on the software and support of Linux customers, like Dreamworks, for example, which has some ridiculous number of HP machines for rendering (over a thousand systems I think).

    Linux is a great OS, make no mistake, but it's not for everyone and it's not exactly well-suited for the mass market.
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    Well, back on the topic of Service Pack 2...

    I installed it on a couple machines here. Both had utter success with the installation, booted up and everything was good. These being clean, well built, well maintened PC's with all top dollar hardware. Always been 100% stable, secure, latest everything driver and security wise and perform great.

    I did encounter a few bugs, researched them, discovered they are known/SP2 bugs, and decided to roll SP2 back. This process went seamlessly and my PC's are back to the way they were with no side-effects or issues.

    The issues I ran into were more along the lines of the annoying variety and not critical. There are a few lesser used portions of XP Pro that would hang/freeze based on config/hardware, and I got two of those. I look forward to SP2 as soon as at least these two bugs are fixed. I didn't notice anything else on either of my PC's otherwise... and I use a LOT of pro software.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=1;threadid=13065;start=msg170095#msg170 095 date=1094365462
    If you dont' have anything on your comp that is valuable relaxe it isn't going to hurt you. If you keep your virus software uptodate you should be ok.
    Not to be a prick, but this is terrible advice. Virus software will not protect you from open ports or spyware hijacking scripts. And whether or not you have anything valuable on your machine is irrelevant to protecting your machine; you should protect it in order to prevent your system from being taken over for spamming or DDOS attacks. Install SP2 and buy a router if you have a high-speed internet connection.
    This is true but what I was assuming was most people are behind a router. If your trying to protect yourself from open ports and syware software MANY users don't even know they ARE inffected. That is the problem. I know many times when I got fix peoples comps and run Adware it is incredible the stuff you find. GATOR GATOR is all over the place and the others.


    If you all remember Microsoft ME(milinium edition) it was the worse version of Microsoft out their. The released it way to early just to get it out. It ends up most of ME is XP.
    This is completely false.

    Win9X and WinME used a totally different codebase than WinXP. Totally different. They are so different in so many ways, I couldn't possibly list them all here, but the biggies are better TCP/IP stacks, the introduction of the HAL, vastly improved preemptive multitasking and protected memory, security-based account types, et al.
    It isn't completely false. The fact that is was released and was to early is true. The fact that it crashed more then any other OS is true. Many things on ME that were released on XP NOW WORK. Yes XP is more of a Server/network then an OS. Xp is basically windows 2000 and ME combined.


    Don't reinstall XP cause like it says it will write over all the stuff you have and loose it.
    Barring a hardware failure (dead hard drive) you should never have to reinstall WinXP. Ever. You can run the Windows Recovery Console and repair your installation. In severely compromised registries, you can repair WinXP at the HIVE level if needed, by following the instructions on this link:

    http://support.microsoft.com/default...;en-us;Q307545

    WinXP is a real OS; it's relatively easy to repair if damaged. This ain't anything like Win9X/ME.
    It might be easy to repair, but usually not for the normal user. Most people think well I will just reinstall it is easier. That is the problem.

    Yes WinXP is great but it still has alot of problems in it. IT still hoggs up aot of memory and if you don't know you have a lot of usless programs running on your stystem. Enough of this is isn't what the question was asked LOL


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    Mac VS PC

    Sorry, this is rather long - once I got going I couldn't stop! As you can tell, I've got a strong opinion here. I'd be happy to discuss it with you, or describe the environments I've worked in (technical support for over 15 years) that made me feel this way.

    Mac is the software platform (essentially) that Windows 3.1 was a copy of. I like to say Windows 95 is Mac 86...and the divide has somewhat stayed there.

    Other than the buttons being in different places and (sometimes) called different things, the interface on Mac is very "windows like" - you won't have a hard time learning it. Yes, a mac can cost more than a cheap PC - but not more than a good one..and aren't you looking for a good reliable machine? I leased mine for about $20 per month I think (It's been so long, I'm still using a 1997 mac and it outpaces every PC I get from clients).

    Software wise, everything you need is available - and apple packages some cool software (Imovie, IDVD, and IPhoto) in with them - they don't do free word processors (unless you call SimpleText a WP, it's like Notepad).

    I trust Mac so much, I installed them when I did touchscreen kiosks for a visitor bureau. I'm even working on finding a programmer to write a radio station automation software for Mac (or Linux, anything but WinBLOWS)...my wife is in Radio and has told me HORROR stories about the software they use (crashes while ON AIR, etc). Can't have that system down...yet Windows fails at least once a week.

    Maintenance wise, the general rule of thumb is for every 15 PCs owned, a company needs 1 full time tech - less than 1 tech is the average in Mac environments up to 40 machines. Reliability makes dollars, not just sense.

    Though you won't see it when doing email or word processing (boring tasks any good puter can handle) - Macs ARE FASTER overall, something you will see when doing graphics or video.

    One of the reasons I think Macs are more stable (besides their UNIX backbone) is that the hardware and software are made by and stood behind by one company. No Microsoft blaming the PC manufacturer who blames your software who blames Microsoft. Except for software, it's all Apple - and I've NEVER had them deny me help - even when it wasn't Apple's failure, they got me through the crisis. In 12 years, I think i've had two calls to Apple's support lines. Both free!

    That reminds me of a joke -what is the difference between being in jail and needing Microsoft tech support? At least you get one free phone call in jail!


    The only WinBlows platform I think comes close (and it's not a close race) is Windows 2000 PRO! not XP, not 2000 but 2kPRO. I think ME stands for Must Eradicate

    Please remember some of what Microsoft was called on in that legal wrangle a couple years back - Aside from unfair trade, and other boring stuff were some NASTY revelations about hacking, etc. Suffice it to say that Widnows needs firewalls WAY more than Mac does (though a good firewall is never a bad idea). Someone told me there are 200 new viruses created every day for PC -less than 20 a year for Mac.

    Interesting trivia about the Beta version of Mac's new OS (OSX, ok not all that new) is that it ran ALL WINDOWS SOFTWARE NATIVELY. Something happened (my guess is a Microsoft lawsuit) and that's not on teh sales version, but for a while you could run all PC software native on a mac. Now you need a "virtual PC" program - but my old G4 still runs Windows programs faster (using Virtual PC) than my nearly new PC. Interesting huh?



    Py the way, PCs (a crappy name since any computer used personally is a personal computer)

    Sorry again for the rant....I hope this helps you out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=1;threadid=13065;start=msg170095#msg170 095 date=1094365462
    Not to be a prick, but this is terrible advice. Virus software will not protect you from open ports or spyware hijacking scripts. And whether or not you have anything valuable on your machine is irrelevant to protecting your machine; you should protect it in order to prevent your system from being taken over for spamming or DDOS attacks. Install SP2 and buy a router if you have a high-speed internet connection.
    Not to sound like a complete idiot...but what is a router and what does it do? I have Windows XP and cable modem...

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    "(row´ter) (n.) A device that forwards data packets along networks. A router is connected to at least two networks, commonly two LANs or WANs or a LAN and its ISP’s network. Routers are located at gateways, the places where two or more networks connect.
    Routers use headers and forwarding tables to determine the best path for forwarding the packets, and they use protocols such as ICMP to communicate with each other and configure the best route between any two hosts.
    Very little filtering of data is done through routers. "

    In short, VG (and no you do not sound like an idiot)...your cable modem goes to your computer. If you had a router, the cable would go to the router, and then you could have multiple computers plugged into the router...and the router would then send the Internet information out to the various computers.

    I have wireless router...so I can take my laptop and plunk myself anywhere in the house and use it. Additionally, if you had a laptop with a wireless connection, then you could come to my house and use the Internet without having to plug in with a cable. Very cool...especially when I want to sit in the privacy of my room with the door closed and check out pics of your hot hot legs
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    Quote Originally Posted by MojoJojo link=board=1;threadid=13065;start=msg169946#msg169 946 date=1094336933
    Unless you ask me...in which case I'll tell you that PC's are much fucking better.
    Ditto. I've worked with both since the mid-80s and every time I have to use a mac I want to punch a wall. Actually, I'm an ex Amiga guy which, IMHO, was better than both of them hands down in the earlier years. There were things back in 1989 that my Amiga could do with 33 mhz and 10 megs of RAM that my PC to this day cannot do. That aside though, my hatred of macs isn't so much from the hardware being massively behinds the times until just recently, but the overall attitude that Apple too in their marketing. They would contantly publish performance tests against PCs running the same software showing the Mac was better but they were blatant lies. It is one thing to exaggerate once in a while, but Apple just plain lied and doctored tests.

    For example, they published some tests and claimed that Photoshop ran functions much faster on a Mac than on a PC ("A gausian blur function took 3 seconds on a mac compared to 11 on a PC" type of stuff). So then some outside testers started looking at the tests and realized Apple was doctoring them. They would use software with optimized code in their photoshop version on the Mac. The software was specifically optimized for the Mac OS, so DUH, it was obvious that it would run faster. The code for the PC was not, so no big shock that it ran slower.

    My personal favorite Apple crap ad though was back about ten years ago. A friend of mine showed me this ad and asked if I had seen it. They did a side-by-side comparison of why you want a Mac instead of a PC. I'm absolutely astounded they didn't get their butts sued off. I saw the two page ad in a Byte magazine if I remember. Their comparison was a Mac Quadra 840, which featured their Motorola 68040 processor (same as the Amiga 4000 had at the time) and the Pentium was just on it's rollout on the PC side. Guess what they were using as PC alternative for the side-by-side comparison? A 286!!!!!!!!!!!! NO JOKE! THEY WERE COMPARING A MODERN COMPUTER AGAINST A COMPUTER THREE GENERATIONS EARLIER! The best part about the article was that they claimed the Apple was cheaper and a much better buy costing only (about) $2000 where the 286 PC was much more expensive costing $3500. The fine print at the bottom of the page reflected the 286 costing this in 1987 MSRP prices. I just couldn't believe it. I saved this ad for years and every time my Mac obsessive friends gave me crap for liking my PC I just showed them this ad and they shut up.

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    I've loaded the Windows service pack 2 on all three of my XPpro computers with no problem.
    I use adaware 6 and spysweeper along with norton professional antivirus.
    I force all the updates every wednesday manually on all programs and sometimes at random just to see if there are any extra updates to reference files.

    The best advice I ever received computerwise was here to use Mozilla Firefox as my browser not internet explorer. I only use IE to sites i am registered and know. This has cut my comptuter problems down quite a bit. Firefox tends to not allow applications
    to download without my consent ( "process programs")and asks the user for permission to download or change registry items. The appropriate response is "NO" of course.

    It is beyond me why microsoft and developers think typical users like or want to use the java applets that try to download and allow registry changes, and allow "process programs" to load without our knowledge. Why would any typical user want that?

    Marketing be damned I'd like a lot more security and at least ask the user before items are automatically downloaded on to machines. And if this anti user attitude in PC"s continues I will think about switching to apple machines.


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    I will need too many meds to slo down, read & understand of above, & past couple pages. Have Xp on this puter, '98 on the other. Think B. Gates should be simoltanously a** fucked by Ron J, & orally by Harry Rheems.


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    I always avoid instaling SP until about 3 months after they come out, there always, ALWAYS bugs.
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    Not to sound like a complete idiot...but what is a router and what does it do?
    You're not an idiot; you just have more of a life than those of us that do this sort of thing for work or fun--or both, in my case.

    Think of a router as a traffic cop; it says who can enter your network (or in your case, VG, your computer) and where on the internet you can go. In their default settings, routers work as hardware firewalls--effectively making your system invisible to the outside world by blocking outsiders access to your system; all they see is the router, which for all intents and purposes of this conversation, is a simple computer.

    Routers are excellent for preventing infection by worms and Trojan horses that are spawned automatically on other infected machines; they can't get into your system, because your traffic cop has closed all the doors and windows to your system, if you will.

    Linksys makes a good, cheap router for $50--the BEFSR41--and you can get it at any Best Buy or Circuit City. It's easy to setup, will carry over to any future system (or systems--you can plug multiple machines into one router for protection) you might use (including Macs) and is well worth the investment.

    Firefox tends to not allow applications
    to download without my consent ( "process programs")and asks the user for permission to download or change registry items. The appropriate response is "NO" of course.
    Since using Firefox, neither I nor my clients have received a single piece of spyware. Not one. Firefox simply rules because it eliminates what is probably the biggest problem in PCs today--spyware hijacking of resources. Virus control on the PC is no big deal, but spyware is killing systems all over the damn place.

    For those that haven't tried it yet, purge your systems of spyware, then install Firefox. No more spyware.

    That aside though, my hatred of macs isn't so much from the hardware being massively behinds the times until just recently, but the overall attitude that Apple too in their marketing.
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    Ah - back from vacation, and what a pleasant topic!

    Lemme throw my two cents in...

    • Linux vs Mac decision. I am a big Linux fan. I have my internet servers running Linux and the software I design works on Linux first and is then ported to the other *NIXs. While I love doing server oriented stuff on Linux, I can't bring myself to use it for desktop use. It is soooooo close, but not yet.
    • Mac vs It's a Microsoft world. I had this fear when I forked over my money to buy one. I have an old Dell as a standby, and it hasn't been turned on since I bought the Powerbook. I am getting along just fine without MS. OpenOffice takes in MS documents just fine and I have even done presentations with OpenOffice. When people ask what I am using, I point them to openoffice.org and tell 'em it is free and it is easier to interact with me with it. For those non-OpenOffice users, I merely push the PDF export button and they can read it just fine. I did download the MS Media thing to play an AVI, but the truth is most video's/sound recordings are in a form of MPEG as well as AVI. I have found I can get along without it. Since the Mac is BSD based, it is not hard to port from Linux to Mac. Often it is just downloading the source code and compiler (Apple uses gcc by default - so if you can compile it with gcc, you can compile it on an Apple. If you want to go to the Aqua interface instead of X11, then yes, that is another issue.)
    • Routers. Routers are not firewalls, especially when doing network to network routing. Mostly using a router for firewalling is breaking the router so that it doesn't work perfectly. One should get a firewall or firewall/router peice of equipment. Routers are like traffic cops, but more like traffic directors. People have explained them well enough. I can get insanely detailed if one wants me to.
    • Microsoft Moonies. Yes, they are out there and as the masochists that they are, will insist that an Apple is a inferior product. I have been finding the exact opposite in these last few months as I work on this Mac. I will freely admit to being a "UNIX Bigot" and not try to bad mouth Windows. Is Windows friendly to use? Yes. Is it inexpensive? Yes. Are there a lot of goodies for it? Yes. My grief is that it is an approach to computing I do not find as elegant as the UNIX way. Macs are not "just for graphics" - perhaps under the OS 9 and previous, but moving to OS X as a UNIX base has a bunch of people like me (UNIX DB, Systems, and Network programmers) perking up our ears and buying these things to see what they can do. Macs ARE the Linux desktop as far as we are concerned. (See the point where OS X uses the gcc compiler, and if you can compile it on gcc, you can usually compile it for OS X.)
    • Windows security. As someone pointed out, it is really IE that is the horrible, horrible trouble maker for Windows security. There are a couple of MS SQL things out there, but that is mostly due to foolish DB administration. Start using Firefox or Mozilla and you will find a lot of stuff trying to start up that Firefox or Mozilla merely puts the stomp on. Outlook is second for being a trouble maker with IIS in a close third, IMHO.

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    For those that haven't tried it yet, purge your systems of spyware, then install Firefox. No more spyware.
    Causal_Observer please confirm or disagree with the following for the benefit of those here less computer savy.

    Firefox/Mozilla stops the kind of spyware which takes advantage of "Internet Explorer" coding. By using Firefox/Mozilla, those kind of spyware can no longer work. However, other kinds of spyware can get into a computer by a person who installs certian programs on a computer, which IE or Firefox/Mozilla cannot stop.

    Reference: http://home.earthlink.net/~doniteli/index73.htm

    PS... any thoughts on discussing the HOSTS file?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseGuy_TX link=board=1;threadid=13065;start=msg170840#msg170 840 date=1094515934
    For those that haven't tried it yet, purge your systems of spyware, then install Firefox. No more spyware.
    Causal_Observer please confirm or disagree with the following for the benefit of those here less computer savy.

    Firefox/Mozilla stops the kind of spyware which takes advantage of "Internet Explorer" coding. By using Firefox/Mozilla, those kind of spyware can no longer work. However, other kinds of spyware can get into a computer by a person who installs certian programs on a computer, which IE or Firefox/Mozilla cannot stop.

    Reference:

    PS... any thoughts on discussing the HOSTS file?
    Sometimes the computer will freeze up when going to a host redirected to localhost. Especially if it is on a port that is doing something. Sending it off to la-la land sometimes causes huge delays.

    I think a firewall is a lot easier to manage. It lets you throw away packets instead of waiting in a REQUEST state.

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