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    Default Man Arrested for Leaving Too Small A Tip at Restauraunt

    ...and people say you dancers get aggressive about asking for tips.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in642982.shtml

    I guess considering the restauraunt's owner is named "Soprano", he should consider himself lucky that he was only arrested.
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    In my experience, EVERY diner who goes in with a big party is already aware of the 18% gratuity. Also in my experience, people who come in large groups monopolize the server's time...preventing them from making money with other tables. If there is a complaint about the FOOD, then you talk to the manager (before you eat all of the food) about making amends, cutting the price, etc. You still leave the server their tip based on what was originally served...not the cut bill...and then pay the cut bill.

    It'll be interesting to hear about what happens...although I don't know what the problem with him paying the gratuity was. It's added into the check...and if he didn't "know" about it, would have paid it anyways, leaving an additional 10%...unless I just read that wrong.

    Anyways, that guy and his "buddies" sound like idiots. I'm glad that they got "hit".

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    From reading the article, that guy and his friends were assholes and deserved it. It's really too bad they can't just tack on a tip for ALL bills, not just those of large parties. In my younger days I worked at a country club whose registers automatically added a 15% tip onto EVERY bill, so the staff always got tipped. It was not expected or required to tip over that amount, and the waiters were happy to provide the best service they could to all diners. Some people did also tip us extra in cash, which we of course greatly appreciated.

    It's funny how when people know they're actually going to get paid for the work they're doing, they tend to try harder and do a better job!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=13346;start=msg174580#msg174 580 date=1095096098
    From reading the article, that guy and his friends were assholes and deserved it. It's really too bad they can't just tack on a tip for ALL bills, not just those of large parties.
    I can understand the rationale behind autogratuities with regards to large parties, but the idea of a business predetermining what the proper amount for a tip should be runs counter to the whole idea behind tipping. The point is to give the customer discretion on determining the quality of the service he/she received.

    Let me consult the dictionary on this one (boldface emphasis by me):

    gra·tu·ity Pronunciation: gr&-'tü-&-tE, -'tyü-
    Function: noun Inflected Form(s): plural -ities
    : something given voluntarily or beyond obligation usually for some service; especially : TIP

    It also may run counter to federal law (boldface emphasis by me):

    http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Ti...9CFR531.52.htm

    29 CFR 531.52 - General characteristics of ``tips.''

    "A tip is a sum presented by a customer as a gift or gratuity in
    recognition of some service performed for him. It is to be distinguished from payment of a charge, if any, made for the service. Whether a tip is to be given, and its amount, are matters determined solely by the customer, and generally he has the right to determine who shall be the recipient of his gratuity."

    I'm not saying a restaurant is wrong in imposing this charge, but as a customer, if a business thinks they've determined the quality of service I'll get from them ahead of time, I'll hold them to it. If I don't have the discretion to tip less than the "mandatory" 18% when the service sucks, I'll simply refuse to go above that amount when it is exceptional. There's no reason IMHO for good customers to have their hand forced to make up for what bad customers do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=13346;start=msg174580#msg174 580 date=1095096098
    It's funny how when people know they're actually going to get paid for the work they're doing, they tend to try harder and do a better job!
    I respect your opinion here, but in my experience giving good service has been because of a particular employee's work ethic, not how much they were getting paid.
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    If there is a "mandatory" tip of 15%, why not just up the menu prices 15%, pour that extra 15% into labor costs, and be honest about it?

    If it's mandatory, it's not a tip. It's a labor charge.

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    If it is not obligatory, then it is not a tip, it is a service charge and the restaurant should be forced to book it as income they are taxed on.

    Don't get me started on other scams like guys pay to get into a place women can get into for free. Sexual discrimination big time.

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    A mandatory tip in any situation sounds like a recipe for unenthusiastic or just plain lousy service in that situation. No incentive and all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deogol link=board=1;threadid=13346;start=msg174923#msg174 923 date=1095124170
    If it is not obligatory, then it is not a tip, it is a service charge and the restaurant should be forced to book it as income they are taxed on.

    Don't get me started on other scams like guys pay to get into a place women can get into for free. Sexual discrimination big time.
    *Laughs* Yes, men are treated so badly compared to women. Women are taking over the world.
    I agree with the first part of your statement- but it won't be the restaurant who pays the tax on it, it will be the server. Servers are taxed on their tips, making their paychecks ridiculously tiny- or in some states, nonexistant.

    After two years of waiting tables (never again! lol), I find the article humorous. He said the incident ruined his whole weekend. Well, I bet whoever was serving his party had their night ruined by his rude behavior. You don't like the food? Take it up with the manager or the person who cooked it, NOT the server. Did they think the person who brought it to them was the one who cooked it? Now, the article didn't go into detail, MAYBE they complained to the server and the person did a bad job.. but this story reminds me of the time I waited on a couple, who insisted their food was fine and even complimented me on my good service- then they didn't leave me a tip because, as the stupid bitch told the hostess, her steak was overcooked. WTF. Like I couldn't have easily fixed it, had they said something.

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    Remember that Geico commercial where the waitress wipes the customer's hamburger bun on the edge of the table? Well, that was me when I first started waitressing. Some guy (who was hard to please...never, ever left a tip...and then took up as much time as possible complaining) ordered his burger one way...when I brought it to him, he ate half of it and then told me the order was wrong. So, I brought another burger the "amended" way (with a smile) and after 1/2 of that one was gone, the order was "miraculously" wrong again. He didn't want ketchup on it (which he did ask for and I repeated it 3 times). So, I took off the bun, removed the lettuce and tomato, wiped the bun off on the table and slapped it back on. Went to the kitchen and got new lettuce and tomato and dropped it in the basket. With my hands on my hips, I looked him dead straight in the eye and said, "NOW do you have something to complain about?" He said no, but complained to the manager. When the manager said something to me, I just made sure I said loud and clear, "I didn't want to get another burger for him because he's rude and the urge to spit in his food was over-bearing." Heh...he stayed away for months. LOL I still laugh when I think about that. And, when I go to restaurants, I tip at least 20%...if the service is good...if the service is bad, I'll say something, but still leave a small tip...and if the service is stellar, then I'll leave more than 20%.

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    Well... in my opinion I will NOT tip for bad service... if the food is bad but the waitress/waiter/server is doing his/her best he/she deserves their tip afterall it is not their fault the cook did a bad job but i do expect them to be on my side if i complain. Now if I do have a complaint with the food and I get an attitude from said server then their tip from me for my service will be lower. I do not believe a manditory "tip" is fair especially when service is not up to standard too many especially young people these days are lazy and think that they deserve a "tip" regaurdless of how they have performed their job.
    I have been known to leave a few pennies on the bottom of a waterglass as a tip for bad service... hey call me a bitch but when i go out to eat be it at a nice resturant or denny's I expect good service... if I wanted rudeness well damn I would just cook for the family at home(lol).
    Anyway I do agree with Jess...at some point everyone should have to experience a job such as waitressing or bartending to know what it is like to work hard and not get a tip for good service but in the same scense maybe some of the waitress/servers who have been doing it awhile and forgotten what good service is should be reminded also.....just my 2 cents


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    yea it should be voluntary, but you need to pay your servers a fair wage first. servers get 2.15 an hour. so if all people have the attitude, that they shouldnt have to tip. these people cant make a living.
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    Isn't it fun how assuming a tip makes it okay to lower the minimum wage, therefore making servers dependent upon tips, therefore resulting in sub-par service because a tip is expected?

    I dunno, I think the auto-gratuity is definitely necessary sometimes, for reasons stated by VG. I don't understand how this wasn't already factored into the bill, though - Did she bring the check, they underpay, and then they tell management it was because of the lousy food?

    The reason 15% isn't already added on is because it only applies to large parties - are they going to start giving out 'large party' menus specially? A couple isn't going to need nearly as much catering to as a group of ten.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SexyJess link=board=1;threadid=13346;start=msg174957#msg174 957 date=1095127546
    *SIGH* Everyone who dines in restaurants should be forced to wait tables for 3-6 months first.
    I'd take it a step further. EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE should be automatically required to LIVE ON waiting tables for 6 months immediately after becoming a legal adult. No financial help, no family support, just you, your tray and whatever you can scrounge from tips. I think this would go a long way in making the world a better place.

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    Heh B.. Well said..

    I did my time waitressing (about 3 years of it). Whew!

    Well, the most memorable bottom feeders that I had to serve was a couple. They had a very nice dinner, their check totaling over $60. They had me running my arse off, and I treated them like they were my only table (even though I had about 6 others at the time). They paid their check by credit card. I went and checked the table right after they got up. They left me a whopping 25 cents. Yep, one whole quarter. I was livid, naturally. So, I was fortunate enough to head to the exit before they did. I met them there and handed them their quarter back and said "Apparently, you need this much more than I do." I said it loud enough for the packed waiting list in the lobby to overhear it. Redfaced, they hauled arse out of there.

    Anyhoo, I did have more good tippers than bad. I had one couple who were very nice throughout the whole time. They had come in on a very slow night, so they were one of two tables that I had. Their bill was about $50. They left shortly after paying their check, and I came back to the table to find a heap of CHANGE in the middle of the table. Ugh.. Well, when I went on my break, I went and counted it all up. They had left me over $50 in change for a tip, after only paying $50 for their check! Even though it was a bitch to count it all up, I was shocked, and very pleasantly surprised.

    I'm ALL for auto-gratuity. But I do know, that I will NEVER waitress again.. LOL

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    LOL Rhi.... I love stories like that... a quarter. WTF. That's almost as bad as the "Christians" who leave a piece of paper that looks like money with "go to church" written on the back of it. Ahh, these stories bring back memories... I love that now I have a job where I can tell a customer to go to hell if need be, without worry of getting fired.

    Deanna, I agree that servers need to provide customers with good service as well and shouldn't just expect a tip automatically. I normally leave 20% or more, as I know what it's like to wait tables (*shudder*) but my fiance and I once had a server at Denny's who was awful- he just came up to our table and stood there. No hello, nothing. He screwed up both of our orders and never refilled our drinks. I left him a quarter, and looking back, I think I overtipped. hehe

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    Why if the food is not good you don't tip good ? They are just cheap assholes !! It's not the fault of the waitress if the food is not good ! I dont understand these kind of persons ??? Everybody knows its not her fault they are just stupid people !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=13346;start=msg174580#msg174 580 date=1095096098
    It's really too bad they can't just tack on a tip for ALL bills, not just those of large parties. It's funny how when people know they're actually going to get paid for the work they're doing, they tend to try harder and do a better job!
    That's typically been my experience in Europe, where the tip is figured into the bill automiatically regardless of how small the bill or number of diners. Another benefit is that when the servers realize I'm American, they often go out of their way to provide us with even better service since tipping is so ingrained in most Americans that I automatically leave an extra Euro or two on top of the total bill is service was nice.

    Even before I waited tables I tipped well. My stepdad is a total skinflint with tips and it pisses me off to no end. About a year ago, an acquaintance that was a chef at a top DC restaurant invited us to dinner and got us a ton of free appetizers for a party of six. My stepdad left an 8% tip even though we had a great server! I pointed this out to my mom and asked her "How would you feel if someone left me this for all that work. Plus we got a lot of free food!" She sympathized totally and tipped extra to make it 20% (as though the apps were included). My stepdad now tips much better, at least when I'm around .

    Waiting tables is damn hard work often. So's dancing, but we're typically better compensated even on our crappiest nights!
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    Quote Originally Posted by NinaDaisy link=board=1;threadid=13346;start=msg175103#msg175 103 date=1095152424
    Another benefit is that when the servers realize I'm American, they often go out of their way to provide us with even better service since tipping is so ingrained in most Americans that I automatically leave an extra Euro or two on top of the total bill is service was nice.
    You were obviously not in Paris. Parisians seem to hate Americans to the max. My cousin was there and told me that he went to a restaurant and waited 45 minutes to be seated...while there were plenty of tables open. Once they were seated, it took the waiter 25 minutes to come over. As they were leaving, they complained about this to the manager who turned up his nose and pretty much told them they would prefer if they didn't come back. EH?

    Even before I waited tables I tipped well. My stepdad is a total skinflint with tips and it pisses me off to no end. About a year ago, an acquaintance that was a chef at a top DC restaurant invited us to dinner and got us a ton of free appetizers for a party of six. My stepdad left an 8% tip even though we had a great server! I pointed this out to my mom and asked her "How would you feel if someone left me this for all that work. Plus we got a lot of free food!" She sympathized totally and tipped extra to make it 20% (as though the apps were included). My stepdad now tips much better, at least when I'm around .
    Ugh...I had an ex who took me out to dinner one night...and on top of a $180 food/bar tab, he left the server...ahem...$10. I just about had a fit (he HAD money...he was just stingy). I convinced him leave another $45 for being such a penny pincher. The food was phenomenal, the waitress was the best...no excuses for such a bad tip.

    Waiting tables is damn hard work often. So's dancing, but we're typically better compensated even on our crappiest nights!
    True...very true...I will never, ever go back to waiting tables again. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot.

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    While I maintain that a mandatory "tip" is more accurately a labor charge, I still like to think that we can be generous to people going through fairly menial service to help us enjoy our meal. It takes really, really lousy service for me to get below 15%. In fact, I don't remember it.

    A group of us went into a restaurant once in high spirits. We ate, drank, got merry, and the waitress really hustled. My friends are great. When everyone pitched in what they thought they owed, they were all figuring in prices, tax, tip, and a fudge factor to make sure they didn't underpay. The waitress ended up with about $80. We kept going in there once a week for a while, and every week, the same waitress would hustle ass to the door to direct us to her section. Every week, it was the same story. Great service, great tipping, just the way it should be.

    I'm no more interested in waiting tables to be required to eat out than I am to be a checker at a grocery store in order to buy food, or a mechanic in a garage in order to have my car fixed, etc. I've seen the work, and I don't want it. I appreciate the people who do it well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=1;threadid=13346;start=msg175193#msg175 193 date=1095173375
    Waiting tables is damn hard work often. So's dancing, but we're typically better compensated even on our crappiest nights!
    True...very true...I will never, ever go back to waiting tables again. I'd rather shoot myself in the foot.
    Yes i agree.But lets not forget the bennifit of that job.
    Historically its taken care of alot of people unskilled in the world of business or trade.
    All hail the waiters and waitresses!!

    As a long time bar and restaurant person,i find it awkward and dammed expensive going out to eat in restaurants.If its poor service,i can spot it and it offends me.If its great service,i can also spot it and see the things done over and above what she or he had to do.
    If its shitty service,I still tip really good,that offends me also,But i cant help it,im not just tipping them,im tipping the old me and the old staff i used to work with,and all the other people who have been in the position where they needed to wait tables.(no offense to the pro's making 50-60k a year as waiters,but most are broke)
    If the service is good,that just makes my friggin day!At that point its not the food that brings me back,its the service.Gimmie so so food with great service over great food with so so service anyday.

    For great service,and for great service when i return the next time,I always double the ticket.My SO likes to ask them what their biggest tip of the night was,then add 20.Im usually not up for the math by then,diner should always include Vino!
    Great service makes my day!

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    BTW My good tip with shitty service buys me the right to let the server know exactly how i felt about the service.

    They may have a shitty night and i was just the unlucky guy to stumble into a 3 day finals cram week,so i wont go to the mgr with it,but your gonna know how i feel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VenusGoddess link=board=1;threadid=13346;start=msg175193#msg175 193 date=1095173375
    You were obviously not in Paris. Parisians seem to hate Americans to the max.
    I've been to Paris (and eaten quite well there) four times, and I came to the realization that Parisians hate anyone who's not Parisian. The whole "French people hate Americans" thing as a generalization is not something I've found there, in my experience.

    I've only been treated shabbily at a Parisian restaurant once (actually the waiter was being very rude to a friend I was with since she was being kind of snotty to him, frankly) and mostly when I've seen Americans treated badly at restaurants abroad they were typically being an "ugly American". Not to say your relative deserved to be treated the way he was, but why would he even wait 45 minutes at a place with obviously open tables? Did he hear the food was just that good there?

    From my viewpoint, one of the nice things about knowing you'll get paid is that it lets you be an ass right back to someone treating you like that. It sucks seeing some poor server capitulating to a sadistic diner in the hopes that he'll be able to scrounge a decent tip off the bastard.

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    Its definately a Paris thing. I've been treated well in restaurants and by French people everywhere else.

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    I think about this issue in terms of my mom. When i tip a waitress it's like tipping my mom. I am and will be their die hard defender. You tip like shit for good service, then to me you are shit.

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