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    Ok, packed friday night.The tempo of the room was balls to the wall,and girls are making money on stage and off.
    Im wearing my lucky red suit.
    We have a feature entertainer.(sydney steele)
    Our rotation is MOST of our star entertainers.
    Friggin perfect friday night!
    Just perfect.The money making machine is running at full optimal!


    As i was walking past a packed perv row(all tipping like crazy)I cracked a joke over the mic.
    My exact words were..

    "what do you think guys??Does that G string make you want to learn how to read brail or what??"

    The guys laughed and cheered and agreed with me in assorted screams,even if they didnt get the joke.

    The girl didnt like it at all!!!!!!!!!!!

    Not only that,she grabbed her stuff and left the stage in a huff!!!(75 dollar fine)

    The whole room was stunned!It killed the roll and it took me almost an hour to get the tempo back in the room.

    WTF,I thought it was funny,and so did most of the room.

    I tried to say i was sorry as she was chewing my ass out in the dressing room,but she wasnt having it.She acted like i had killed her puppy or something.

    I thought it was funny,and had planned on using the line again in the future.But if its offensive,no way!

    I just dont get it,is it an insult???

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    She obviously reacted a little too strongly, but it is disrespectful.

    I wouldn't have a problem with that remark, but I have had to set DJ's straight before. They get on the mic and make crude Jr. High jokes, and it *does* get the guys going. But what it also does is sends a message to the guys about what level of respect needs to be shown to the ladies. If the DJ's on the mic going, "look at them fucking titties, who here want's to come on her face? etc." it makes the guys more comfortable acting like assholes.

    Like I said to one DJ, I wouldn't take that kind of talk from a customer for any amount of money, so why should I let the guy I'm paying talk to me like that?

    We are constantly trying to portray ourselves as classy and expensive, and when you get on the mic and act like we're cheap whores, it doesn't help.

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    Well, she may have thought that you meant she had an ass full of cellulite. Even though that may not have been the case...she was probably feeling extremely self-concious about that...and what you said just set her off.

    I do agree that those comments get the guys going...however, in my experience when the DJ does that...it sets the tone for the guys that night that they can all say stuff like this. It's not disrespectful, and yet it is. Something like, "DAMN...look at that body...wouldn't you pay to see it more up-close?" or something along those lines...

    I would say, maybe change the verbage of what you are saying...and keep the idea there. JMHO.

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    I'm not even sure that I get the joke... like if the guy felt her G-string?
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    Brail=bumps. I agree with VG on this one.. ( on a side note: hallejuah, yes I am back to the land of sw!)

    I have only had one encounter where I was upset with the DJ over a remark, and it was pretty silly really- and it was a long time ago, I have learned that in this business, its the DJ's job to sell you, but its also the DJ's job to find good lines to use that may not come across insulting (and, I am not saying that your line was, I'm just saying that it is very obvious that she took it that way) I've never heard what you said, and I am a little lost as well as to what you meant, but I'm having an off day today and maybe after a nap and a clear head, I may get it..

    I agree that there are many things that the DJ's have to do in order to keep the guys going, but as I kindly pointed out not too long ago to one of ours, we, as dancers have feelings too, and sometimes we don't like having the harsher words used- instead, use "here's the total T & A package" or she's gonna show you the twins, etc... sometimes just an off night either because of something outside the club, or just having a "fat" day can cause more emotional upset than needed.

    But, with all this said, I think you did the right thing in apologizing, I've seen many DJ's who don't.

    Just my two pennies.


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    PMS i'm guessing. Being a strip club DJ is like being married to 50 women ......NONE of which you are screwing. You have to think about your words like a chess player analyzes his moves, 10 in advance. I'm sure she either thought you meant Cottage cheese bumps or pimples. I would have said ...... g-string make you want to ..... "Stand and Salute" (and when they start to stand .. say "You should keep that thing between you and her in a PRIVATE DANCE in our VIP room")
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    I really don't understand what BigGreenMnM meant by this. I know brail=bumps like gynger said... so did he mean her boobs or something? Was she wearing a G-string with sequins or something similar on it that looks like bumps? Or did she really have cellulite? (In which case he shouldn't have pointed it out to the audience, i agree)

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    He was making a cracking simply to imply it would be nice to touch her ass. Did she overreact? Yes. Don't we all from time to time? It's most certainly a stressful biz at times for everyone....and you're bound to say something that will rub someone the wrong way. Hopefully, she will chill.
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    wasnt talking about cellulite,i dont even think she has any(at least none that i could ever see).
    Her G string was tight and white,it showed a perfect outline of her tu tu.
    I dunno,i have tried to call her and find out why she got so pissed but she hasnt answered yet.

    I dont ever try to be disrespectful or crude to the girls over the mic.I try to be poetic and undercover crude.lead and mislead kinda stuff.
    Alot of guys just say
    "how would you like to pet that kitty?"
    This was just a kinder way of saying it,or at least thats what i thought.

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    She overreacted by running off of stage (a $75 fine? I'd have stayed up there even if he had made a crack about cellulite) but it was kind of crass. But shit, DJs say stuff like that all the damn time. It's what they do. Last week I heard "Naked women and Deep Purple. That's better than Cheerios and beer." (Now that made me laugh.) It's nice of you to try to apologize to her. I guess next time you'll toe the line when she's up.

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    Here is my opinion, as a male dancer, MC, business man and entertainer: If any part of an act / entertainment causes grief of some kind (i.e. someone really gets pissed off = angry people = drop in vibe = drop in $) then scrap it. I can see what you meant by the line BigGreenMnM - but look at the response from others above. It just ain't worth it man - lose the line.

    I am spared hearing what MC's say about my shows whilst I am performing as I am living in Hong Kong and most of my public gigs are at bars where they speak Cantonese - my tips are good and the reaction from the crowd is great so it must be OK.

    But I do remember once when I did a show in Melbourne, Australia, with a foul mouthed drag queen hosting, and she made a stupid remark about my cock. She was doing exactly as you were - trying to get the crowd into the show, having fun, keeping the vibe high - but the remark she made - in jest - was to imply that she'd "seen bigger" cocks. My cock is a great size and impressive and I have no hang ups about it, but that remark was a downer, and really not the sought of thing I think a more professional MC would say. Still - drag queens - what are ya gonna do?
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    No disrespect to the DJs here on the board, but damn it all, I find so many of them to be grating and annoying.

    I'm sure it's just me, but I wish they would just shut the fuck up more often than not.

    Two cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=27;threadid=13557;start=msg177308#msg17 7308 date=1095559712
    No disrespect to the DJs here on the board, but damn it all, I find so many of them to be grating and annoying.

    I'm sure it's just me, but I wish they would just shut the fuck up more often than not.

    Two cents.
    no disrespect taken,hell,i even agree with you for the most part.

    But in our defense..It aint easy being sleazy.

    We have to talk every 3 mins of the night for 8-10 hours a night.And most of the time its only 10 secondes of talking at a time.
    we gotta bring girls up,bring them down,put them on stand bye.We also have to include bar specials and upcomming events etc etc.Then on top of that,hype up the crowd with witty remarks.
    All that without "stepping"on the entertainers short 3 min song or sounding like a putz
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    Its a fine line to walk sometimes.Trust me,we hate to sound like a putz.

    In the heat of a busy night,sometimes things come across the mic that we want to take back.I just didnt think this was one of them,And i hate being wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChadW link=board=27;threadid=13557;start=msg177304#msg17 7304 date=1095559569
    Here is my opinion, as a male dancer, MC, business man and entertainer: If any part of an act / entertainment causes grief of some kind (i.e. someone really gets pissed off = angry people = drop in vibe = drop in $) then scrap it. I can see what you meant by the line BigGreenMnM - but look at the response from others above. It just ain't worth it man - lose the line.

    I am spared hearing what MC's say about my shows whilst I am performing as I am living in Hong Kong and most of my public gigs are at bars where they speak Cantonese - my tips are good and the reaction from the crowd is great so it must be OK.
    Thats a perfect point!If i was telling that crack in another language and she didnt know what i was saying,she would have looked to the crowds response!They laughed and cheered!
    She would have gotten that uplifting vibe from the crowd.The very point to us talking at all!!!!

    Im very careful in what i say,but isnt getting that vibe from the crowd worth stepping over the line sometimes without the entertainers getting pissed?
    If im in a redneck bar and i say "wait till you see the shitter on this next critter"as im bringing a girl on stage,and the crowd erupts into cheers,should she get pissed??(i would never say that BTW)

    But I do remember once when I did a show in Melbourne, Australia, with a foul mouthed drag queen hosting, and she made a stupid remark about my cock. She was doing exactly as you were - trying to get the crowd into the show, having fun, keeping the vibe high - but the remark she made - in jest - was to imply that she'd "seen bigger" cocks. My cock is a great size and impressive and I have no hang ups about it, but that remark was a downer, and really not the sought of thing I think a more professional MC would say. Still - drag queens - what are ya gonna do?
    Sorry to break this to you bro,but if a drag queen says you got a lil pee pee,


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    i can see where the dj is coming from, but i would have taken that comment more negative then positive.

    brail.. therefore you are blind, and dont want to see her ass or the cellulite thing!!!

    no way i would i have thought that that comment would mean that they guys would love to touch her ass. I actually had to think it out for a second and try to find a way how it could be positive.

    Djs should choose their words carefully. I would not have run off stage, i would have done worse (with still keeping some class of course)

    The guys ON STAGE were maybe laughing at her, and the comment that you made because they found it negative as well. If that happened to me on stage, you would have heard from me, and it wouldnt be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer link=board=27;threadid=13557;start=msg177308#msg17 7308 date=1095559712
    No disrespect to the DJs here on the board, but damn it all, I find so many of them to be grating and annoying.

    I'm sure it's just me, but I wish they would just shut the fuck up more often than not.
    I would be the last person to take offense to this.

    Before I started DJing I did my level best to ignore entirely what the DJs were saying, since most of them are so extremely annoying (don't worry, BigGreen, I'm not saying you are). After I became a spring break DJ I started paying a lot more attention, since there are a lot of similarities in the styles, and I was thinking of working in stripclubs. Now I will listen if the guy (or rarely, since there are so few--female DJ) is any good.

    BigGreenMnM and I have disagreed vehemently in the past, but the one thing I did notice amidst all the vitriol was that he seemed to feel strongly about taking good care of the dancers, which most veteran DJs haven't a clue or a care about doing. The fact that he tried to apologize to the dancer in question demonstrates this again.

    It is sometimes hard to gauge what will work best to rile up the guys and make sure they are paying attention to the dancer, and yet make the dancer feel inspired and at ease with the kind of attention she is getting. One thing I have noticed is that some dancers are very particular about what is said about them--in fact a few I have run into don't want the DJ to say much at all, which can be mildly distressing if she is really good.

    And then there are some who love all the attention, of whatever kind, you want to shower on them--even if some of it pushes the boundaries. For instance the type of dancer who can visibly contract all the muscles in the region of her Mound of Venus is a lot less likely to mind something like that line. The one who floats serenely onstage like an angel, her ballet background showing in most appealing fashion, is not so likely to want it.

    Of course it isn't always so clearcut.

    The best thing I have found is to tell the dancer what I was thinking about saying before she goes up, so I know she won't mind. This can take the fun out of it if you want to surprise her with something really nice, but is a lot safer if you are thinking of pushing the boundaries. For instance I worked with a dancer named Lucky, and of course it was impossible to resist saying, when she left the stage "Gentlemen, you can now get Lucky in the VIP...". This of course is kind of trite, but by God it worked!

    But I would never have said anything like that without checking with her first, or if her name was different. Once in a while divine inspiration will strike and I will just go with it, but I tend to be very careful about the innuendos--I do use them sometimes, but I like to keep the guys at least trying to act like gentlemen while they are on the floor, because God knows they usually aren't in VIP, lol.

    But when you are working eight hours straight with no breaks (people think it is so easy--HA!), it is sometimes easy to get caught up in the moment and say the wrong thing, or the wrong thing for the dancer onstage, as apparently happened--I know I have said things I wished I hadn't in the past, though not quite like that.

    One thing I was curious about though, was it Sydney Steele who got upset?





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    No disrespect to the DJs here on the board, but damn it all, I find so many of them to be grating and annoying.
    You're not alone in this. The only DJ I've heard that wasn't annoying was the one who shut the Hell up. I shoot pool with a DJ from a local club and often tell him that indeed he speaks like a strip club DJ and should shut the hell up. Not that you're all the same...just the ones I've heard. Is there a school for that? All the ones I have heard sound like a cheesy circus announcer. But if it works....who am I to complain?
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    I disagree that it's the DJ's job to get the crowd worked up, that's the dancer's job. I've been clubbing for 30 years and have never seen a DJ get the crowd worked up but I've seen lots of ladies do it. When DJ's try they're just annoying. The best DJ's I know of just announce the ladies and keep quite the rest of the time. In fact that's a main reason why I started going to my present club, because the DJ's keep quiet. Customers are there to see and hear the ladies, not the DJ. And turn down the music, it's almost always too loud. That's not just my opinion, there's a current discussion on TUSCL on this very subject and every one agrees that the music in most clubs is too loud. If a customer can't hold a conversation with the lady beside him it's costing her money. And while I'm on the subject, why not suit the music to the audiance? I mean if they're all over 50 do you really think they want to hear hip-hop or techno? Two cents from an old fart who used to be a professional entainer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigGreenMnM link=board=27;threadid=13557;start=msg177170#msg17 7170 date=1095533846


    "what do you think guys??Does that G string make you want to learn how to read brail or what??"
    I dunno, but I said that about my ATFs butt once (while fondling it with my eyes closed) and she stopped dancing and laughed for quite a while.

    Some people have no sense of humor. You need something to break up the monotony, anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FONDL link=board=27;threadid=13557;start=msg177513#msg17 7513 date=1095612942
    I disagree that it&#039;s the DJ&#039;s job to get the crowd worked up, that&#039;s the dancer&#039;s job. I&#039;ve been clubbing for 30 years and have never seen a DJ get the crowd worked up but I&#039;ve seen lots of ladies do it. When DJ&#039;s try they&#039;re just annoying. The best DJ&#039;s I know of just announce the ladies and keep quite the rest of the time. In fact that&#039;s a main reason why I started going to my present club, because the DJ&#039;s keep quiet. Customers are there to see and hear the ladies, not the DJ. .
    THANK YOU. at my club my dj is just like the one you mentioned above. with the occasional,you still have time to get up and tip the lady (when it&#039;s early) or a mention that the vip is open. THATS IT i love it! no comments, jokes ect. perfect. my last club was like that too.
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    I&#039;m with FONDL on this one. The only times I have ever seen a DJ try to rile up the crowd I&#039;ve found to be annoying and aggravating. It seems so transparent that someone locked in a booth away from the crowd is trying to be &#039;one of the crowd&#039; when they obviously work there. Dunno, but it just seems to fall flat as it comes down to someone not in the limelight trying to be part of the limelight.

    The best DJ&#039;s are the ones that simply announce the dancer&#039;s name CLEARLY as they take the stage (slipping the name inside of 2 paragraphs of bullshit over a loud speaker system sucks), then at the end of the set does a simple reminder for the tip rounds ("And that was Destiny, gentlemen. Show her some love!" kinda thing).

    Let the dancer&#039;s music choice, stage presence and outfit define the pace and mood.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=27;threadid=13557;start=msg177609#msg17 7609 date=1095625824

    The best DJ&#039;s are the ones that simply announce the dancer&#039;s name CLEARLY as they take the stage (slipping the name inside of 2 paragraphs of bullshit over a loud speaker system sucks), then at the end of the set does a simple reminder for the tip rounds ("And that was Destiny, gentlemen. Show her some love!" kinda thing).
    That would get old fast.I think everyone is forgetting days of old when it was a jukebox in the corner that played the music.
    I would suggest going to a high end club and watch the dj&#039;s.many are nothing short of awsome.
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    It should be noted that the simple name introduction, and simple tip reminder system is what is used at the top two earning SF clubs. The DJ&#039;s are pretty much unknown and anonymous to all the patrons.
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    It was only the 2nd time in over 20 years of bringing them up and down.Thats why i offered it up as a topic.I didnt think i was wrong this time,I think she over reacted.I paid the fine for her because i was feeling guilty,but i dont think i was in the wrong.
    It should be noted that the simple name introduction, and simple tip reminder system is what is used at the top two earning SF clubs. The DJ&#039;s are pretty much unknown and anonymous to all the patrons.
    Im sorry,but i doubt that 100%.What two clubs are you talking about and i will prove you wrong.
    One thing is for sure,you wont find a top money club in america without a top notch dj who does more for the girls then name intro&#039;s and tip reminders.

    Besides,its hard enough for the girls to make money in SF,i would hate to think they are trying to do it without a good dj,but then again,maybe thats the problem with that market to begin with.(no offense to the girls working hard there)

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