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    Default Magdalena_666 brings up a great point...

    I was about to post this as a reply to the thread from which your quote was taken, when I realized that to do so would have been off topic, and perhaps discourteous to BigG. Since I am a moderator here, and have bitched about people being off topic in "Stripping General", I thought it best to avoid being a hypocrite.

    So here we go, a new thread...

    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena_666 link=board=7;threadid=13993;start=msg186006#msg186 006 date=1096702122
    Anyway, it was a great set,I was having fun up there and the crowd sensed that the room was totally dead so I went onstange and just had fun. It was amazing how much the atmosphere of the room changed.
    I got a standing ovation from one table and a 30 dollar tip from one guy
    I wish being onstange was always that good. I usually dread it.
    If only the D.J 's would listin to our suggestions more often
    Sometimes the room needs a blast of energy and the d.j should be able to provide that. Or at least assist with it.
    It would be nice if money wasen't the only reason for my d.j wanting to please the girls/crowd ect....
    It is amazing what playing the right music for a dancer can do.

    You can take a girl who is pissed off and ready to punch somebody, play a balls-out 'angry girl' song like "You Suck" by the Yeastie Girls, or "Who Do You Think You Are?" by Lords of Acid--and her negative energy will be transformed into a riveting performance that wakes up the club and jump starts it into a great night.

    You can take a dancer who needs the right kind of sensuous techno mix, that no DJ has been creative enough to think of trying, and she will mesmerize the house with it, and create a magical mood that you wouldn't think possible in such an environment as a strip club.

    Play the same songs for someone else, and you will have at best a dancer who is uninspired. She may be professional enough to go through the motions, but the performance will lose something, and the customers will go right on ignoring the stage and trying to figure out who will give them the most 'mileage' in VIP.

    Unfortunately SC DJs tend to be the least sensitive kind of guys imagineable, such that dancers are astonished and grateful if they even play what they are asked to. I knew of a DJ who actually asked that the dancers blow him before he would play requests. Naturally enough the managers loved him, until he snorted coke in the booth one time too many.
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    Im sorry I went off topic Djoser. I guess I should have started my own thread so thanks for starting one for me.
    Anyway, let me tell you about the d.j situation in my club.
    We have 2 d.j's whom I will refer to as god and satan.
    D.J god works from 4-8 pm weeknights and 6pm till close sunday and monday. He is a wonderful d.j. He is respectful to the girls, plays anything we ask him too becouse he want's us to be happy, he is very creative and use's alot of variey as opposed to just playing the same songs for the same girls everytime like d.j satan does.
    He will even let us bring in our friends c.d's and play them as long as they sound good enough.
    And he has never asked me to tip him. In fact on a few ocassions he has said to me and other girls''I know you have had a bad night ect....don't worry about tipping me. '' How nice is that?
    Now let me tell you about D.J satan. He works week nightsand fri&sat. from 8pm till 2am and plays the worst music.
    I have actually seen guys asleep in the club while he is djing. A lot of his music is really lame. But since he has worked there for a long time he is basically allowed to do whatever he pleases. Plus, he is in good with our manager. Although, the floor staff and most of the girls don't like him and here is why.
    When requesting a song he will eiether say ''well so and so usually likes me to play that song and she tips out more than you''
    I have had to give him a 20 to get him to play stinkfist one night!
    He will also treat you like shit if you don't tip him very well.
    When I have requested songs he has said '' You know who get's there songs played?'' Me ''who?'' him''the girls that tip me 50 dollars when they have a 500 dollar night(refering to a good night I had.I guess the 25 I gave him wasen't good enough.'''
    He has commented to me and other girls about tipping him more on several ocassions. And those of us who can't or don't give him more money have shitty music played for us, half-assed lighing, and says nothing during my set.(whereas dj god will say ''look at this beautiful girl up there,look at that hot body..ect)
    I have come home so pissed off and told my boyfriend about the dj's ignorant comment's and he has said ''Just don't tip him'' or say''well, I don't feel you deserve a tip from me considering that you diden't play anything I liked and dissrespect me''
    But im afraid this would backfire and he would dislike me even more.
    On nights when I have left with nothing and could not tip him I will apologize and say something like''I will try and make it up to you and he will just scrowl at me and write a big black zero by my name-he writes down how much each girl gives him. Is this common practice among d.j's?
    Anyway, thanks for reading my dj rant.
    And if you have any suggestions as to how to handle d.j ''satan'' please let me know.
    P.S-Maybe I will get my own book and start writing down all the shitty songs he plays for me.


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    Default Re:Magdalena_666 brings up a great point...

    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena_666 link=board=7;threadid=14088;start=msg186041#msg186 041 date=1096712602
    Im sorry I went off topic
    Dont worry about it Mag,in the course of normal conversation,sometimes chit happens.
    Plus, he is in good with our manager. Although, the floor staff and most of the girls don't like him and here is why.
    When requesting a song he will either say ''well so and so usually likes me to play that song and she tips out more than you''
    I dont want to fuel your well deserved rant,but i would like to point something out,and maybe offer a solution to the situation.

    First i gotta say,in alot of clubs i have worked at(all of them actually)certain girls "adopt"a song.It gets to the point that you can be in the back,hear a song,and know exactly who is on stage and what she is wearing.
    True??
    How many times have you been sitting in the club and the set you banked with last week is what some new girl is dancing to this week?
    New girls and less then top earners in the club dont get to adopt a song,its usually the top earners and the club verterans who have certain songs that they claim as theirs.
    Is it an earned right of theirs??Debateble?
    In some cases,i say yes.

    So what happens when a dj plays one of the "adopted"songs?Well,before the song ends,the dj will have the top earner or club veteran in the dj booth saying this....
    "what the fuck are you doing playing MY SONG for that bitch?"
    There is no living SC dj who has not heard these fatal words.Its the sound of their big tipper NOT tipping them well that night.
    I have even had girls with the balls to tell me"im the only one who dances to manson"or "im the only one who dances to Usher".Are you kidding me???( they wernt)
    We are all there to maximize our earning potential during the few money making hours per day.Just as you cater to your best customers,so do the dj's.
    You dont cater to your medium spending customer if its going to piss off your top tipping customer.
    If catering to your top spender pisses off your medium spending customer,do you stop catering to the top spender??
    I doubt it,and i wouldnt do it myself.
    Another problem with someone dancing to an "adopted"song is the drama that it usually causes between the two entertainers.I have actually seen fistfights in the dressing room over a song.How stupid is that?

    Having said that,im going to add that i dont follow that general outline,but im a rare case.
    All the songs are mine.No public display of debate in the dj booth ever.
    All are bought and paid for,no internet downloads.I carry in 5000 cds every night.If an entertainer wants it,she got it.
    Am I guilty of saving a song for an entertainer who has helped me buy those cd's,yea,guilty as charged.All dj's are guilty to some degree.
    Work at a club for a few weeks and you know what songs are adopted.Dont fuck with those or your opening a can of worms.
    Stinkfist wasnt their only hit,and it wasnt their best.Usually adopted songs are new songs,if its an old song like that,asking for it is going to be a problem for sure.


    As for a solution..

    If everyone agree with you,as a group,you have the power to rock his friggin world.
    How about you go in tonight and discuss it with the girls.If they agree,everyone tip him a dollar at the end of the night or dont tip him at all.
    if he isnt taking care of his girls,he doesnt deserve to be tipped at all.


    But the bottom line is,
    Its just 1 frigging song!!!!
    Keep your mind on your money and your money on your mind.Dont let one friggin song sidetrack your goals,even for 5 mins.
    Theres to many songs out there to choose from for this to be an issue.
    (but dammed if it isnt one!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena_666 link=board=7;threadid=14088;start=msg186041#msg186 041 date=1096712602
    Im sorry I went off topic Djoser. I guess I should have started my own thread so thanks for starting one for me.
    Anyway, let me tell you about the d.j situation in my club.
    We have 2 d.j's whom I will refer to as god and satan.
    I thought I was the only one who used the term "God and Satan"

    Good post and very true.


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    Default Re:Magdalena_666 brings up a great point...

    On nights when I have left with nothing and could not tip him I will apologize and say something like''I will try and make it up to you and he will just scrowl at me and write a big black zero by my name-he writes down how much each girl gives him. Is this common practice among d.j's?
    When I have requested songs he has said '' You know who get's there songs played?'' Me ''who?'' him''the girls that tip me 50 dollars when they have a 500 dollar night(refering to a good night I had.I guess the 25 I gave him wasen't good enough.'''
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    I'm seriously SO MAD at that guy- I HATE attitudes like that. He shouldn't be getting tipped at all- he does nothing for you! Awful. Iwould change clubs if I had to work with an asshole like that.

    Sorry, I'm going off on my own little rant here, I just hate power-tripping DJs. Especially because up here we bring in our own CDs and all the DJ does is program it, I've worked with guys like that and it just makes me so mad- you get naked and deal with immeasurable crap for your $500, and he expects 10% for being an asshole?

    Unfortunately, I know there probably not much you can do. Really, not all DJs are like that- have you thought of changing clubs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magdalena_666 link=board=7;threadid=14088;start=msg186041#msg186 041 date=1096712602
    Im sorry I went off topic Djoser. I guess I should have started my own thread so thanks for starting one for me.
    No apology necessary. I don't really have a problem with threads giving birth to new issues--other than guys who ask about how to get more mileage in "Stripping General", perhaps. Hell, I have been guilty of digressing many times. I just figured the subject deserved a thread of it's own.

    D.J god works from 4-8 pm weeknights and 6pm till close sunday and monday. He is a wonderful d.j. He is respectful to the girls, plays anything we ask him too becouse he want's us to be happy, he is very creative and use's alot of variey as opposed to just playing the same songs for the same girls everytime like d.j satan does.
    Why am I not surprised the manager has given this DJ the worst shifts? From my experience, taking good care of the dancers will actually hurt you far more often than it will help you with management. Fuck 'em, I do it anyways--maybe it's not as good for my DJ employment prospects, but I like myself better and it makes the work much more enjoyable. I still have my drawings to fall back on.

    And he has never asked me to tip him. In fact on a few ocassions he has said to me and other girls''I know you have had a bad night ect....don't worry about tipping me. ''
    I have never asked for a tip, and only once haggled over the amount (some skank who was there only part of one night told a very reliable tipper who was a newbie that she shouldn't tip me so much--the newbie listened, I noticed, and we did get into it--but we wound up getting along even better afterwards).

    I have always thought that when you start hassling the dancers for tips, you have been DJing too long. I got tipped more per girl (the DJs in the big factory style club made more $ with 100 girls a night) than any other DJ in town, because I wasn't an a**hole about it. Some DJs even write down how many songs the girls are in VIP--that's just way too anal for me!

    Quote Originally Posted by scarlett_vancouver link=board=7;threadid=14088;start=msg186691#msg186 691 date=1096842954
    I'm seriously SO MAD at that guy- I HATE attitudes like that. He shouldn't be getting tipped at all- he does nothing for you! Awful. Iwould change clubs if I had to work with an asshole like that.
    Which brings us to "satan", lol...

    later addition--Smile. He knows he's being a prick, and nothing gets a prick more than to see their target unphased. Also, managers hate pissed-off dancers, no matter why or who's fault. They love pleasant, easygoing girls who just make the club money without creating problems. This is also the only chance (if any) that you will have of getting him to listen to you. If you find it difficult to smile at the asshole, just visualize him, strung up by his thumbs, having red-hot cattle prods thrust up his rectum. This will help, and he doesn't have to know what is so pleasant to you right then.

    Quitting the club would be great, especially if you told the manager it was because of the asshole DJ. Except that the manager may not care--so many of them are so callous and jaded when it comes to having any respect or consideration for the dancers. Also you might not have any better clubs, or you might just wind up walking into the same situation elsewhere. There are so many lousy DJs out there, and management is so notoriously stupid when it comes to this, that it could easily happen.

    What I would do, if you have checked out the other clubs and it is best to stay, is to try to work as many nights/shifts with 'god' as possible. Even if it is slower then, you will make good money if you are getting the music and the verbal attention that you deserve. Make casual comments to the manager about how good 'god' is, but don't make a big deal about it.

    If 'satan' gets obnoxious with you about other girls tipping, you can hit him back with the other DJ taking better care of you--though this might just piss him off, and possibly even get the other DJ in trouble with his buddy the manager--it has happened to me. Use this tactic carefully.

    Work with the other dancers, but not too blatantly, to discourage rewarding satan for being an asshole, and encourage them to take good care of god, and also make little comments to the manager. It is better to say good things about god, than to bitch about satan. Most managers immediately and totally ignore dancers who complain, no matter how justified they might be.

    As far as dancers "owning" songs, BigGreenMnM has covered that pretty well. It might not seem fair, but there are good reasons for letting certain dancers have a favorite song or two, if it makes them feel special--and especially if they dance really well to it! If another dancer comes along and asks me for one of those, I usually tell her I will play it, but tell her to go talk to the "owner" first and make sure it's cool. But no one should "own" an entire band, that is ridiculous, and I have had that tried on me many times, lol.

    One really good way to fight this is to research your own music, find your own songs--preferably unique (but not too offbeat or wierd), buy or burn your own CDs, and present it to him this way.

    Sorry I can't offer better advice, but sometimes there is no easy solution, except maybe to let things roll right off your back, and like BigGreen says, "Keep your mind on your money and your money on your mind."
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    Djoser- Thank you great advice.
    Why can't you be my d.j? I am so jealous of the girls at your club.


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    Wow, Magdalena, I had no idea how bad it is at other clubs. I am so lucky. Although, last night, my DJ asked if I could pick hip hop to dance to since the girl on back only liked hip hop. It was my choice to pick music since I was doing the front stage and I don't usually dance to hip hop, but I let him play it because I liked the girl on the back and because I'm way too nice. The music he chose sucked, and left me wondering--when I'm on back I have to dance to the shitty music the girl on front chooses, so why did he ask me to play shitty music on MY stage, too?! Needless to say, he got stiffed for a tip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exotica17 link=board=7;threadid=14088;start=msg187023#msg187 023 date=1096879264
    Wow, Magdalena, I had no idea how bad it is at other clubs. I am so lucky. Although, last night, my DJ asked if I could pick hip hop to dance to since the girl on back only liked hip hop. It was my choice to pick music since I was doing the front stage and I don't usually dance to hip hop, but I let him play it because I liked the girl on the back and because I'm way too nice. The music he chose sucked, and left me wondering--when I'm on back I have to dance to the shitty music the girl on front chooses, so why did he ask me to play shitty music on MY stage, too?! Needless to say, he got stiffed for a tip.
    TIME OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I dont want to sidetrack this topic,but i really gotta point this out.

    The DJ ASKEDyou before he did it?!?!?!?!?

    He may of had request from customers.Who knows.

    But he did ask,and you said yes.

    Your right,he did get "stiffed"for his tip.

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