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Not a question I care about. You cant please all of em' all the time and do your job.
I Would Never Belong To Any Club That Would Have Me As A Member - Groucho Marx
yeah thats true i try making them all happy





i DO care about it to a point, but you learn fairly quickly early on that there just ain't no pleasin' some of them, not at all, ever. but i would say honestly, i always try to be up and cheerful and dancin' and having a good time....that seems to help a lot. nobody likes a cranky shithead whining about not getting tipped. and as for keeping them "happy"as far as the music goes, well, that's a whole 'nother rant i'm too tired to go off about right now. BUT OH YES, ONE DAY SOON I SHALL MAKE THAT RANT!!
waffles are just pancakes with little squares on them.
Rant on my fine friend. And not to sound like Im a clod hearted bastard on my previous post but, If I worried about keeping all the girls happy(which does deal with the music from time to time), I'd rip my damn hair out. Bottom line is to realy REALY be liked by the girls, you gotta play part dj/part friend and from time to time part confidant. Make your booth an sactuary from the rest of the club, a safe place where they can vent, bitch and listen to them, sometimes we all need to vent, and you can be that person. Dont come on to them where its friggin obnoxious, that leads to just BAD things. But understand you CANT please all of them all of the time. Your gonna clash or piss them off from time to time, but its how YOU handle that that will make you liked or hated. Some of my best female friends in this biz are girls that I clashed with at first for WHATEVER reason (and there always tons of reasons), but we all live and learn, and most of the time they were supprised to see I didnt hold a gruge against them for it.
I Would Never Belong To Any Club That Would Have Me As A Member - Groucho Marx
Being liked by dancers is just like being liked by ALL women, you can please some of them all the time but ya can't please all of em all the time. To even attempt to have all women/dancers like ya will ultimately drive ya batshit!
wow guys, I couldn't even imagine trying to please ALL the dancers at my job.
Or even have of them.





I think what all the entertainers want is a dj who does their job.Originally Posted by phillydj
I would rather have all the girls respect me for the job i do for them then have them all like me.





It may be impossible to have all the dancers like you, but it's not that hard to get the vast majority of them to--provided you don't hit on them, make a legitimate effort to play music they can dance well to (not necessarily what they want every time, if it'll get you in trouble for violating format, break the mood you've all been working hard to create, or is just plain bizarre, lol), be an understanding friend when the customers/managers/other dancers are pissing them off.
I am assuming you are a relatively new DJ, or you probably wouldn't be asking. In that case, you do want to watch out for trying to be too nice, in some clubs this will get you eaten alive, and not tipped very well for your trouble.
Without question you will have problems with certain dancers, and like PhillyDJ says it's how you handle this that will make the difference. It has been true for me as well that some of the finest friends I have made in the business were dancers I had had major problems with at first. I fought more with a dancer named Destiny over a period of a year, than with all the other dancers I have fought with put together--and there is no dancer I am more fond of, except my girlfriend. She considers I am the best DJ she has ever worked with.





Honestly, you don't need to worry about being "liked" by the dancers. You just need to worry about doing your job well. The pros won't really care either way, the bimbos will always be bimbos, and the bitches will always be bitches. BUT, doing your job well will mean less headache for you and better tips.
I couldn't care less about a DJ or anyone else I work with. I'm there to make money so I tip anyone who helps me, and ignore the rest. It's business.





I have to agree with the guys about not hitting on the girls. Be professional, treat it like the job it is rather than a pussymarket. NONE of the girls will appreciate you if you hit on them - you might get a little play that way, but in the end it will cause much more bullshit than you want.



Repition, ego, and not listening.
These are the common compliants I've heard about why dancers hate thier DJ's.
Here's my favorite example:
DJ Moron only plays: Kid Rock, Pantera, Limp Biscut, Moteley Crue, and RAP/HiP Hop over and over again tils it makes the Dancer ears bleed.
Dancers then ask DJ niceley to play some 80's stuff, Industrial, and other types of music suited for a Strip Club--even bringing in thier own CD's. DJ then get's attitude has hissy attitude about being the best and continues doing what he's doing until getting fired later.
New DJ comes in listens to dancers inputs proffessionally and put's together a kick ass playlist with really good 80's, Techno, Industrial, Goth, Rap, Alt, Rock, Strip Club classics,
and even country that pleases almost everybody. Customers start coming to chill more on slow day because of the music. DJ is proffessional and treats his time there as a job not a Meat Market. DJ is also sober too.
DJ has also travelled around the country a bit and learned stuff in Chicago, New York, Las Vegas, SF, and other places to constantly improve his craft. DJ does not have the ego of the prior DJ which was " I'm best DJ in Soapstone, Alabhama therefore I'm the best in the World even though I've never been anywhere else and competed with anybody else"
DJ also keep in his mind what the Demographics that make the club's customers up on his mind constantly to keep his playlist good and everybody happy.
DJ also stand's up for himself proffessionally, in front of Dancers and Mangament in rationall way when asked or confronted about things.
Moral of Rambleing:
Read-- Music is very important for the enviorment, it sets the atmosphere, and helps people relax and enjoy themselves. If you cannot do this you have no buissness as a DJ.
New DJ was doing a good job and bringing customers in. New Manager comes in and replaces DJ with his friend a clone of the old DJ that treats club like Meatmarket. Result Dancers and Customers leaves in droves.





LOL i love this fuckin business!Originally Posted by madgrad
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Never had this happen to me before tank gootness!But i have seen situations like this before.
It can really shake up a small city or town with under 10 or so clubs.Most good dj's dont sit at home long and find clubs down the street to work in.
Im not going to say that entertainers follow dj's to that club(some do)But i will say that when a entertainer walks in to look at a potential club to work in,if she looks up in the dj booth and sees a good dj that she worked with,it helps in the decision making process.
I wuv my DJ's, they are sooooooo sooooo cuddly and cute!
"Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M
If you know that a dancer likes really hard core music, then play super hard core, not boring socially acceptable pop.
Try to be open to working with a dancer by not forcing her to do stage when she is with a customer who is buying dances. Most dancers will really appreciate this and you will make more in tips.
Also realize that if you only work during slow hours, when the dancers don't make money, you probably won't feel very appreciated because they can't tip you because they haven't made any money themselves.
If you work on a slow shift you should request a higher pay rate because of a lack of ability to make tips. At least dj's on slow shifts don't have to deal with as much work as the guys who work the busy shifts. Most clubs won't run the stage when it's super slow because dancers should not have to provide our services for free.
Definately DO NOT HIT ON THE DANCERS! EVER!
There is nothing more annoying than a fellow employee of the club hitting on a dancer. We tolerate that kind of treatment from the customers because they pay us. We don't need that kind of treatment from fellow club employees.
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Do all of the above, lose your job. Seriously, what kind of advise is that???? I would be so fires if i did even ONE of thoes.Originally Posted by livenudegirlsunite





It's a rare club that will let the girls not dance, even if there aren't many customers and they aren't tipping.
I did work in one like that, a smaller club that was having trouble when I started. But I never liked doing it, because if new customers came in it looked really bad. So I would have them do pole trick seminars, and if guys came in they loved it, 6 girls onstage playing, lol...
Before long, the place was doing well, and we didn't have to worry about girls onstage, they liked going up, and we all made money.
As far as playing the heavy music, it depends on what you mean.
Slipknot is not going to go over well with the money guys, and will get you fired quick in a lot of clubs. But a little Rob Zombie will almost always work.
On the other hand, I refuse to play schlocky crap like Brittany Spears, tho' I have occasionally broken that rule for the right girl, generally as a cutesy kind of joke that was sexy because the girl was hot.
In the end, though kissing ass will get you no respect--and not much in the way of tips--it never hurts to have the dancers like you, and it isn't nearly as hard as it might seem. Know when to be a hard ass, and when to be a big brother. And make an effort to play music she likes, for chrissake, cuz so many just don't care.
People always tip better if they like you, and I have always been tipped very, very well, even by women I have fought with before.
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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as far as the hardcore music thing....here's my opinion. ive been doing this for a long time and i DO know what i am doing. if i tell you "no, i am not playing that"....then there is probably quite a good reason. case in point: there is a dancer at my current club whose favorite "band" is Cradle Of Filth. and she always whines when i tell her that i will absolutely, under no circumstances, EVER EVER EVER play it. "but it's my favorite!"....and well hey guess what, i personally really enjoy the legendary pink dots and foetus. i would never ask to dance to that either. it just aint appropriate. i'll go as "hardcore" as i can for you, sure......but so many girls just dont get it. if i play cradle of filth, aside from being fired almost immediately, it would clear the room quicker than a bomb threat.





I remember well one night early in my career. I had busted my ass--along with the dancers, of course--to build up a crowd. The place was slamming, the women were psyched, the guys were in a frenzy at the rail, waiting with baited breath for the next dancer. She came up to the booth and requested two songs from her own NIN live Cd. Now I love NIN, but I had a vague feeling of unease--I thought I remembered that this CD was a little on the heavy side, definitely not your usual Reznor stuff. Ordinarily I insist on listening to an unknown song in the headphones first, in case I have to veto it.Originally Posted by MrChristopher
On this particular night, I thought "the hell with it...". She was fussy about her music, there wasn't any more time before the next song, and I do love NIN. I could play whatever I wanted at this particular club, but if I didn't think a song would go over, I would refuse to play it.
I have never seen a crowd evaporate so fast in all my 4+ years of DJing, except maybe when I used to have to bring out the most inappropriately named "Tigress" out at the Shark. The song was the worst possible version of Trent screaming his angst out at a poorly recorded concert, and the guys not only left the stage, they left the club!
My only consolation was that the dancer was horrified, and was not nearly so picky afterwards.
Lesson learned...
You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Free your mind, and your ass will follow.
George Clinton
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Having been on both sides of the coin (dancing for 13 yrs. and DJing for 11) I've found that no matter what, you aren't going to please everyone. The customers, the management, and the girls all think you have the easiest job in the club and most of them think that they can do your job better! lol!! My only requirements from a dj are that he be respectful and curtious and that he (or she!!) not whine about not getting tipped enough. As an entertainer, I'm the one taking my clothes off and everyone else wants a piece of the pie. If I do well, so will you. As a DJ tho, nothing irritates me more than a girl telling me that she didn't do well tonight so she's not going to pay me. In my club there is a minimum tip-out to the DJ. I don't have a problem with a girl that ASKS if it's ok to catch me next time. Everyone has an off day. But I have done my job and I expect to be payed. If she did a dance and the customer told her he had a bad day and didn't want to pay, all hell would break loose!!
I couldn't agree more!Originally Posted by scarlett623


on night shift at my club we have two DJs.
the monday/tuesday DJ is creepy, grabby, regales the girls with fifteen to twenty minute stories about the exploits at the swingers parties he and his wife attend, and even makes customers uncomfortable with some of his lines while promoting girls on stage. he also is very bad about placing girls exclusively into genre slots-- he pays no attention to the songs the girls request from earlier in the night/the day or week before, and simply plays songs that fit into a genre... but come on, DJ, just because there are three girls on rock rotation doesn't mean that they all want to dance to the same kind of rock (one might like classic, one might like harder stuff, while one might like funky experimental stuff). also, at my club, almost every dancer has at least one or two signature songs-- the songs that make girls the most money (and since he gets 10% of our earnings, make HIM the most money) when they're on stage because they simply fit their name/style of clothing/style of dance/get them really pumped up/all of the above. as much as it sucks to not have your signature songs played when your on stage, its even worse when you see them played for someone else, or when you have to dance to a song you feel is perfected by another dancer. when, for some reason, the girl who was called to main stage cannot make it, he does not alter the music to better fit the girl who is covering, but simply continues on with whatever songs he planned on playing, expressing that he doesn't care at all for the girl who took her time away from the floor to do a favor and will most likely not be seeing the stage again for some time. he yells at girls often for things that are either beyond their control (he accidently announced the wrong dancer or the wrong stage) or entirely excusable (being thirty seconds late to a showbar because your tampon had to be changed).
then there's the other DJ who works wednesday, thursday, friday, and saturday. the wonderful, caring, good-natured, thoughtful DJ whom i adore, and i hope everyone else does, too.
he takes into consideration whether you're a stage hound or prefer to be on the floor and what times you like to be on stage. when you request a song, he plays it. when he sees that you rock it, he plays it for you often. he finds several different songs that fit with the songs you request, so that you don't get bored and dance to the same things every single day, but keeps your favorites mixed in. he not only will alter the genre for the girl who is covering, but will thank her over the mic for doing so. he frequently points out good table dancing songs before they start playing. he reads the crowd not only by their size but by how they're tipping, how loud they are, what music they get excited for, and doesn't feel that he has to stick to a strict genre rotation. he asks those of us who are more flexible (i.e., who will dance to more than one genre if necessary) before he surprises us with a genre we don't normally dance to. he listens to our complaints about the customers' lack of tipping or table dancing and tailors specific, tactful coaxing to the situation. he doesn't yell at us (at least i don't think so-- i spend a good deal of time in the booth and listen to the things girls demand of him, and he always takes it in stride, though he may bitch about them later) and is very understanding. he knows our signature songs without having to be told, and he doesn't play them for anyone else if we're working that night. and he is flirtacious and funny without being gross or degrading, and while he is quick with a hug and a smile, he doesn't grab or gawk. he is generally considered to be not only ten times the DJ that the bad DJ is, but twenty times the person.
i should add that the good DJ also does a lot of things that go above and beyond the call of duty for those girls he likes most-- starting us out on showbars so that we can get mainstage at the best times of night, allowing us to trade sets to better accomodate a customer, bumming cigarettes, occasionally burning CDs without being asked, buying CDs if he doesn't have a song we've requested, and is willing to take risks with our requests (for instance, i dance almost exclusively to rock because so few girls will, but i might be in a goofy mood and want to start out the night with an all-britney set, or a new-wave set, and he's always game). while i don't feel that these particular characteristics are necessities for being a well-loved strip club DJ, i do think that he deserves a ton of credit for making me money every night, and for being a lovely person (and for letting me use his DJ booth to hide when i don't feel like hustling, as its much saner than the dressing room).
because of the good DJs thoughtfullness, it is much easier for him to get girls to respond positively under pressure than the bad DJ. when we're short girls on weeknights, and most of them are in vip, the good one may cut us down to one or two stages in order to keep us from getting exhausted (since 10 dancers on the floor usually means that they are dancing many, if not all, of the songs between their sets, and the rotation picks up quickly with so many stages and so few girls). the bad one will keep three stages and then get angry when you don't show up for an empty showbar when a manager has excused you from dancing that set. when the good one needs a cover for any stage, be it main or the showbars, girls often hit the stage before being asked; when the bad one needs a cover, girls have to be specifically picked by floormen, and will use any excuse to get out of it (resulting in stages being empty for as long as it takes the floormen to track down someone who doesn't mind the music that's playing). if the good DJ needs you to do an extra bar set before your next main stage set, he tells you why (usually a girl who went to vip early hasn't had a single set) and asks how soon you'd like to be worked into a main stage set. the bad DJ simply puts you back into the rotation-- you'll get to main stage again in your own sweet time. this past wednesday, when the main floor of the club was completely clear and there were still several vips left to go, i was more than happy to dance five back to back songs on stage to no one at all while the vips finished up, simply because the good DJ asked. girls who abandon stages before the next girl takes her place when the bad DJ is there, will dance two entire sets rather than get the good DJ in trouble with an empty stage.
a girl who make $300 on a monday will be exhausted, having hustled their asses off to attempt to get dances despite uninspiring stage sets that excite neither customers nor dancers, and will most likely short-tip the bad DJ, giving him the minimum $10. girls who make $300 on a wednesday, dancing to sets fashioned to display their individual assets, most often without having to ask the DJ for a repeat of last week's killer track order, making it unnecessary for her to have to hustle for dances but having them lined up for sets after her own, will most likely give the good DJ $40-- and if she can weasel it, give it to him so that the extra $10 can go in his pocket, instead of splitting with the club.
Last edited by violet st. claire; 12-05-2004 at 05:15 AM.





You know what I like in a DJ? Sobriety! I've worked with several who just constantly got trashed and would let songs go on forever, forget to call you up to check sound before you went on stage, and forget your music. And let's not forget the one moron who was doing lines off of one of my cd cases. I left that one behind.
I also like one who's tasteful on the mike, and keeps his comments to a minimum. And one who is actually knowledgeable about music helps, too. I've worked with a couple of DJs who were always bringing in cool new stuff, and that was great. And then this summer I worked with one guy--oh, gosh--I had him play a Joan Jett set off of one of my CDs, "Bad Reputation" and "Do You Wanna Touch Me," songs that I think are relatively classic. Afterwards, he said, "That was cool! Who was that?" What the hell?
So to sum it up: don't get wasted, don't ramble, and know who Joan Jett is. I believe these are relatively simple tasks and they don't have anything to do with catering to dancers' egos. You can't try to do that anyways, it's futile.
If you are dj'ing in a strip club to make friends with the dancers you need to quit now. If you are dj'ing to make money you are on the right track. You will never make all the dancers happy like everyone else has already stated here. There are alot of dancers I work aroudn that "hate" me as per the nic I use, but they do respect me. They know I know what I am doing even if they disagree with what I might play at the time or who I might put on stage. Everyone I work with knows I am fair and I will back them up if I feel they are in the right. A good dj knows music, can read a crowd as to what they want to hear, and can control what goes on in the club and on the stage. I also agree with the sobriety comment. That's how I have gotten half of my gigs is from a dj that has gotten way too drunk, can't shut up and sings all night over the mic. In short, don't try to make all the dancers happy, "YOU WILL FAIL", make management and customers happy and you will make most of the ladies content.
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