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    Just curious. What would you do if you found out your fav was starting to use cocaine? You probably couldn't do anything, right? Would you just hope it doesn't get bad and forget about it? Would that be callous? I don't want to judge what another person does with their life, but have you ever had people you care about go through servere addictions?
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    Just curious. What would you do if you found out your fav was starting to use cocaine? You probably couldn't do anything, right? Would you just hope it doesn't get bad and forget about it? Would that be callous? I don't want to judge what another person does with their life, but have you ever had people you care about go through servere addictions?
    If someone I knew started drugs, my initial gut reaction is to do everything I can to get them off of it. However, for that to be successful, that person would actually have to care about what I think of her/him, so it would only have a chance to work if it was a friend or family member.

    Most likely your fav does not have the same kind of emotion connection to you as that. Thus, she will view anything you do as an infringement on her, which will make anything you do or say have no chance of helping, None. All you can do is express your view of it. So unless you are friends with her outside of her club, your being friends with her inside the club pales to drug addiction.

    It’s harsh, but you really can’t do anything about it, for the most part (and I wish you actually COULD do something). Drugs are an insidious evil, and, after witnessing their effects first hand in my life, no one will ever be able to convince me otherwise. Yet you also can't help or even effect everyone. I am vehemently anti-drug, but I am not a crusader for that reason. I know I can only control my own actions, and can only exert any influence on my family and close friends. If you think she is in your sphere of influence, then by all means, help out your fav if you can. If she isn’t, there is nothing you can do about it.

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    Amber's idea is good. I don't think it will help unless you are a huge spender. PJ is mostly right. Even close friends and family you can't help. As a teenager, my brother was so involved he resorted to burglary and robbery to support his habit. He had to hit rock bottom before he came out of it. It took a collapsed lung, a month in the hospital, the Army and the bible to straighten him out. If you can't deal with it, change dancers and forget her.
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    It would be easy to tell if she's into drugs. I say it's best to stop buying dances from her, since she will certainly see you as a source of funds for her addiction. It's not like if she was dancing for a living. She's dancing because she needs $$ for her addiction.



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    Even close friends and family you can't help.
    Oh man, I know that all to well. But at least you have a better chance of actually accomplishing something with a family member or friend than you do an acquaintence.

    Stop getting dances from her, and letting her know why if the opportunty presents itself, is really the only thing you can do. You may not be able to help her, but at least you know your money isn't helping to enable her.

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    What does it mean when she was supposed to make her first appearance on stage at 7:45. Doesn't go on stage, even when the DJ announced her. Danced with you at 8:20 and seemed normal. Didn't ask anyone else to dance. Went on stage at 10:45 and was VERY HAPPY. Left for the night at 11:15?

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    I don't think you'd be able to help her, unless your were really close to her. If it was me I wouldnt dance with her anymore. Just think all the money you spend on her will be going to supporting her drug habit.

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    I would pay close attention to how it affects her entertainment value in the club. If it starts making her "dances" crappy, I would stop getting "dances" from her and encourage her to stop using. If it did not affect the "dances" or improved them somehow, I would mind my own business. You can't help anybody who does not want to quit using drugs ever, no point in even trying.
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    If you don't care, buy the dances...

    If you do, the only thing you can do is stop buying dances in the hopes that your care and concern comes across.

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    I suspect that most people would care, and aren't as callous about it as ML is.

    Like I said, and has been echoed, you really only have control over yourself, and can exert any sort of positive influence over only a handful of people. As such, I couldn't in good conscience feed someone’s addiction. I can't get them off of it, but I won't help them with it either.

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    If your opinion is that you should not buy dances because you would be helping to support her habit, I would think again. What if her choice was between giving 10 quality dances to you for $200 or going down on some old fat slob that sees her as a mere sex toy for the same price. When you, the caring person refrains from spending money on her because she will spend it on drugs, she may resort to less pleasant options in order to support her habit. However, if the whole situation disgusts you and you want nothing to do with her anymore, keep your money and move on. I would just wait and see if you can still have a decent time together before calling it quits. She is going to get her drug money whether or not you have anything to do with it.
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    If your opinion is that you should not buy dances because you would be helping to support her habit, I would think again. What if her choice was between giving 10 quality dances to you for $200 or going down on some old fat slob that sees her as a mere sex toy for the same price. When you, the caring person refrains from spending money on her because she will spend it on drugs, she may resort to less pleasant options in order to support her habit. However, if the whole situation disgusts you and you want nothing to do with her anymore, keep your money and move on. I would just wait and see if you can still have a decent time together before calling it quits. She is going to get her drug money whether or not you have anything to do with it.
    That’s exactly my point, Lurker. In this situation it goes from concern for her to my personal responsibility and ethics. I do not think that one person suddenly not spending the money on her will have any real effect on her (and I suspect few people actually are so naive to think that). If she is addicted, she is addicted. I have said a number of times in this thread that one really cannot do a thing about it. However, one can do something about their own actions. As such, enabling someone's addiction with my money revolts me, and I will not do it. If I can't do anything to help her, I will at least not contribute to it.

    For all I know dancers who I have tipped in the past have used that money for a host of bad things. In fact, its likely that some have. But I have no knowledge of it, so its all hypothetical. Have actual, or even strong suspicions, that some is doing drugs and has an addiction changes that.

    Its altruism that is impossible to implement vs. personal ethics. Its about what you can control.

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    When you, the caring person refrains from spending money on her because she will spend it on drugs, she may resort to less pleasant options in order to support her habit.

    Believe it or not, I think ML does have strong feelings of empathy towards others; but he feels comfortable hiding them.

    ML, you're not responsible for another persons feelings, thoughts, or actions. I understand your wanting to provide her (hypothetical) with money so she doesn't have to do something dirty to get it; but maybe hitting rock bottom will help her snap out of it. Being a drug addict doesn't make someone a bad person, so if you still like her than do whatever make you feel comfortable.

    One of my best regulars used to be a drug dealer, I used to think they were all scum bags; but he didn't act like one, at least not around me. Anyway, I found out that a friend of mine was buying drugs from him, I kept my mouth shut until she started acting weird and then I asked him to cut her off. He did, and I know she may get it somewhere else but I did all I could and so that my conscience is clear.

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    I don't know. I just think that if you end up caring about a messed up dancer they will find some way to use that in their favor. Your caring about them won't make a difference to them, just how they can try to use those feelings you have as leverage to get something out of you.
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    I don't know. I just think that if you end up caring about a messed up dancer they will find some way to use that in their favor. Your caring about them won't make a difference to them, just how they can try to use those feelings you have as leverage to get something out of you.
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    Okay, here's my quote of the day:

    My pessimism extends to the point of even suspecting the sincerity of the pessimists.~~Jean Rostant
    I'm not sure I see the relevance of this quote. Did you have it in your head somewhere and it was just dying to come out? I bet you almost feel intelligent now. Good for you, little girl. You get a cookie for your efforts.
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    Well, maybe what Lurk has been saying isnt coming out the way everyone wants to think, but he is 100 percent correct in what he is saying.

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    Amber, I dont think we like to stir up trouble at all. We just have a more realistic view of what is going on. Sure it is a fantasy in the club, but these other problems out there are real life, and it seems like people want to hide the real life shit with fantasy. Cant have everything both ways!

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    Lurk and Money, sorry to offend, since this blue site is for the guys than I'll take your subtle hint and post only on the pink.
    Please don't leave Naomi_Tx, your input is appreciated and needed. I feel bad for starting this thread now.
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    Lurk is generally here between bannings *wry humor there*, and I believe Money actually affirmed your hint of pessimist.

    They sure don't speak for the boys here. Only themselves. The majority of the guys love having you dancers here to chat with.

    And it's obvious that the comment of "retreating to safety" shows that he hasn't read your posts, particularly those on the pink site.
    Yawn.

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    What flame war? Just a discussion of things at the cafeteria table during lunch!

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    Lurk and Money, sorry to offend, since this blue site is for the guys than I'll take your subtle hint and post only on the pink.
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    Naomi wassup with this???

    Lurk and money back off dudes Naomi brings a lot to our board so dont start shit please ( notice I said please Im being nice LOL)

    We enjoy and appreciate the ladies posts here why talk trash???

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    Naomi wassup with this???

    Lurk and money back off dudes Naomi brings a lot to our board so dont start shit please ( notice I said please Im being nice LOL)

    We enjoy and appreciate the ladies posts here why talk trash???
    I agree. I go over and play in her sandbox sometimes. I like her in ours.

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    LMAO at money and ML. Man, I love you guys for keeping it real. Fantasy, what friggin' fantasy?!

    As for this topic, just as I refuse to give money to dancers with abusive boyfriends, I sure as hell am not going to buy dances from a dancer doing drugs. If one of my faves started doing drugs, I'm kickin' them to the curb and looking for somebody else. I'm definitely no white knight. I have my own problems to deal with, thank you very much.
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    Going back to the original question, I think the best plan of attack is to ask yourself "How can I use my ATF's new drug addiction to my advantage?", which is likely to be the angle that she will approach any flaw that she sees in you. Possibly you can work it so that she will perform cheap sexual favors for you when she is in desperate need of a fix. You never know. Good luck with that, everybody.
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    One of my best regulars used to be a drug dealer, I used to think they were all scum bags; but he didn't act like one, at least not around me. Anyway, I found out that a friend of mine was buying drugs from him, I kept my mouth shut until she started acting weird and then I asked him to cut her off. He did, and I know she may get it somewhere else but I did all I could and so that my conscience is clear.
    I find it interesting that you are so against others using drugs but you have absolutely no problem accepting drug money from your best drug dealing regular.

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