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    Hey guys,

    I was going to ask this on the sister forum, but a related thread there got a little heated so I thought I'd avoid the tension over here.

    At the neighborhood club I go to in the northeast, I pay $50/song for private dances. $25 to the house buys a token to give to the dancer, and then a $25 tip. It used to be $20, but recently went up. I think it's a little high, but reasonable, and I still buy dances (but not as many as I used to before the price increase).

    I keep reading other people that talk about dances being $20, and arguments over whether that's a fair price or not. So now I'm confused and can't tell if my club is expensive, if other people are talking about the "token cost" only or the tip only (i.e. not total cost), or if I'm just an above average tipper? (a club with $20/dance total cost sounds cheap to me)

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    Lestat, at one of the clubs I go to the LD's cost $20 per song (5 minutes) The dancer gets to keep it all. I usually gauge my tip by the amount of dances I get and how good the dance was.

    At another club, the dances are $20 per song and the house keeps $10 of it. I usually tip better for those dances because the girls don't get to keep as much.

    I'm sure that at the club you go to, the house is getting a cut of that $25 token, probably $10. So the dancer is getting $15 and your tipping $25 per song.

    To be honest with you that sounds kinda steep, but that may be the going price in your area. Check out some of the other clubs and see what their getting.

    But hey if you have an ATF, are having fun and can afford it, who gives a dam how much it costs.
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    oh dear... actually, the heatedness on cost started over here and traveled...

    anywho... $20 for a 4-5 minute dance is pretty much the general going rate nowadays. of course, some clubs will raise that on the weekends or lower it on sundays, offer repeat dance specials, etc. depending on what kind of contact you get for that dance depends a lot on what's generally going on in the club you visit as well as what area of the country you're in. the more upscale clubs tend to be more conservative where the neighborhood clubs tend to be a bit more risque. but, it depends on the particular club as well as the chosen dancer... nothing's written in stone.

    for that $25 dance price you mentioned, the house is probably getting $10 leaving the dancer with $15. it's my feeling that an extra $25 tip for the dancer for each dance is VERY generous... but that may depend on what kind of contact you're getting for that dance. this has been the big issue with the whole cost topic on both forums. $20 for a no to low contact dance may be the going rate, but in the present economy, this might be a bit steep for the average budget, and it makes sense that guys are more careful spenders because of that. however, $20 for a dance with medium to high contact is more then reasonable... $20 for an extras dance is a bargain basement price to write home about and high-5 all your buddies.

    here in Philadelphia, for example, the most upscale clubs either charge the customer $20 ($5 kept by the club) or $15 (dancer keeps all). most customers tend to tip the dancer an additional $5 to $10 per dance depending on what's customary in the particular club, but some don't tip at all and some tip a lot more... it's a crap shoot, but on the average, it's a $5 to $10 tip. depending on which club you go to and which dancer you choose determines how much contact you'd receive, though in these higher end clubs, contact is generally on the more conservative side. that's a nice deal especially considering the higher quality of dancers the high end clubs have. however, the upscale clubs can put a strain on the average customers' wallet with higher cover charges, drink prices, etc.

    put it this way, if you're getting medium contact dances for what you're paying with the added $25 tip per dance, that's really generous. if the dances are no to low contact, then it's extremely generous.

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    Not to confuse the issue futher, but my neighborhood bar just raised the price of a slight contact lap/table dance to $10 from $5 some other clubs in the area are still $5 I believe one club charges $15. It is $20-$25 for a VIP dance and much higher depending on the dancer for 30-60 minutes of time.When a $20 dance is talked about is that for a lap or vip ?

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    $20 dances are the norm where I am but I have worked in places where they have been $30-$40 per song. Those are prices for a regular old out in the main club lap/table dance. I think in VIP girls negotiate for a higher price, but I haven't worked in a lot of clubs w/VIP areas.
    I do dance for some guys that pay $40 for dances and ohmygod how I love them. Also love the multiple dance customers. And the ones that say "Here's $100; dance 'til it's gone."

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    $20 for a lap. in some places though, lap dances aren't allowed so they do table dances instead. about the same price from what i understand though. also, in some of the upscale type clubs, they only offer table dances rather then laps, but that might depend on the area. where i live, laps are what the norm is, upscale or not.

    VIP is usually more commonly known as time spent with a dancer that's a good deal longer then a 4-5 minute regular dance time, say 30-60 minutes. those are in the hundreds of dollars range and they're more private... sometimes completely private with doors or curtains. VIP time is either set priced by the club or at the discretion of the dancer. if it's a club set price, usually the club takes a 1/2 cut though, so it's customary at those places to tip a lot heavier to the dancer. otherwise, dancers wouldn't be inclined to sell VIP time at all since she could make the same amount or more just doing laps in the same amount of time.

    as far as extra tipping for table/lap dances goes, i think that's more widely common in upscale clubs where there's more guys with generally higher discretionary income. i'm always appreciative of an extra tip whether it's the general custom of the club or not... after all, customers don't have to tip extra at all. i think that most guys in neighborhood type clubs are more inclined to tip extra (whatever that amount may be) if they feel that they got a better than average dance, since the neighborhood type clubs tend to draw the more blue collar type of workers where tipping extra just because they want to is a bit more painful to the wallet. but hey, even an extra dollar or two is nice since that's money we don't have to share with the club, and it adds up. i'm even a bit more appreciative of an extra couple of bucks from a guy that i know is on a tight budget then the easy $10 or whatever from the guy that feels it's just "throw away" money. sometimes i've even refused an extra tip if i know the guy really can't afford it and especially if he bought more then one dance... happy customers are often repeat customers.

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    Thanks everyone for clearing that up a bit! The dances at the club I'm talking about are similar to the private dances shown on G-String Divas, but nude instead of topless. I always thought that was high contact, but after reading these boards for a year with some people talking about 'extras', I don't know what to call them...a little above medium maybe?

    Chuck, I think you summed it up well: "But hey if you have an ATF, are having fun and can afford it, who gives a dam how much it costs."
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    In west TN the going rate is about $40 for a contact dance on a couch, nude or not depends on the girl. Nudity is technically not legal at all in this area, but not very well enforced at all as most people do not even know thee area is not nude as nashville is. Some clubs have vip rooms or some don't. The price is essentially the same b/c the clubs with vip rooms simply use them to give dances as these clubs typically do not give dances on the main floor. Table dances...done tableside or on top of the table with no contact are $10 plus tips usually and most clubs don't do them nemore or do very few. Good way for newbie 2 make money though.
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    lestat1, I'm surprised you even are concerned about the cost breakdown. When you go to a store and buy a product are you in the least concerned how much of it goes for advertising, packaging, transportation, taxes , and how much actually goes to the manufacturer?
    Usually people pay what they thing is a fair price for the product or service. If the cost is beyond your means, then it is too expensive. I think no matter how much you pay, the merchant will think you're too cheap. But if they thought they were deserving of more then they would be in a different line of work.
    Of course you should be a comparison shopper. That is intelligent shopping in my mind. See what the market has to offer before you settle for a club.

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    lestat1, I'm surprised you even are concerned about the cost breakdown. When you go to a store and buy a product are you in the least concerned how much of it goes for advertising, packaging, transportation, taxes , and how much actually goes to the manufacturer?
    I suppose its not unreasonable under certain circumstances for a consumer to wonder why a particular good or service costs what it does (I had this experience at the movie theatre yesterday), and the best way to find out why that is, is to see where the money goes.

    When a guy perhaps has a particular favorite dancer, he'd probably like to have her keep as much of the private dance money as possible. If I like a particular gal and want her to remember me next time I visit, and I know that the house is taking 25-50% percent of the standard dance fee, I'll give consideration to throwing an extra $5 or $10 on top.

    And of course, with respect to this particular industry which has all sorts of clever ways of ripping off both patrons and dancers (obscene ATM fees, double charges on credit cards, funny money, cut songs, dancer drinks, shall I continue...), its smart in my mind for a stripper affectionado to learn how things work behind the scenes to protect himself/herself from getting scammed. And every club is a new lesson to learn.

    But yes, in the end its the final tally that ultimately matters. Most dances here are $20, but one club has them for $25 (roughly the same mileage) and that club just happens to have the best looking dancers in town. Some nights I feel like going there and coughing up the extra five bucks, some nights I don't. I will say this though, the higher a dance costs, the less likely that I am going to throw in additional money, and vice versa.
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    lestat1, I'm surprised you even are concerned about the cost breakdown. When you go to a store and buy a product are you in the least concerned how much of it goes for advertising, packaging, transportation, taxes , and how much actually goes to the manufacturer?
    Wow, this is an old thread from way back. Yes, when I go shopping I worry about those things. I bought my car in a county with lower sales taxes, and I don't shop at Coconut's for CDs or movies because of an insanely high markup. I also don't usually shop at places where the employee makes a commission (too pushy). In this case, it is very important to know whether the dancer gets to keep all the money or if it goes to the house, since she's not dancing for free!

    But I wasn't posting a "complaint" thread, I was genuinely confused at the time. Since then I've learned that this area is just a little different than other areas.

    Tipping 100% on anything is very generous. The most I’ve ever tipped was 60%, and that was because I was trying to impress both my date and the attractive waitress. I don’t even think Drew Carey or Moby tips 100% for their laps.
    It's required around here, many even ask for a larger than 100% tip.

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    Lestat... how can a tip be required?
    Now I'm confused.
    If you buy a dance token for $25, shouldn't that cover the actual cost of the dance? Wouldn't a tip be extra? And if a tip is required, it's not REALLY a tip, is it?
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    At the clubs around here it's generally expected that you'll tip up front. If you don't, or tip poorly, you will have one very pissed off air-dancer on your hands. So is a tip officially required? No. Is a tip required if you want anything better than a crappy dance? Yes. Do you get a good dance if you tip well upfront? About 2/3 of the time. Is it still called a tip? I don't know.

    What's really frustrating is that once at the newer club I go to, my former favorite who had just started working there told me she gets 100% of the lap dance money (no % goes to the club) yet she still asked me to tip almost 200% up front (thus why she's a former favorite).

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    Where I am at most places going rate is $10 a dance...... A few of the nude clubs they run maybe 20 to 40 a dance, but the house keeps like half.......
    I would rather stick with $10 and keep it all, most guys will tip over that because they are only $10 .......
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    I suppose its not unreasonable under certain circumstances for a consumer to wonder why a particular good or service costs what it does (I had this experience at the movie theatre yesterday), and the best way to find out why that is, is to see where the money goes.

    When a guy perhaps has a particular favorite dancer, he'd probably like to have her keep as much of the private dance money as possible. If I like a particular gal and want her to remember me next time I visit, and I know that the house is taking 25-50% percent of the standard dance fee, I'll give consideration to throwing an extra $5 or $10 on top.

    And of course, with respect to this particular industry which has all sorts of clever ways of ripping off both patrons and dancers (obscene ATM fees, double charges on credit cards, funny money, cut songs, dancer drinks, shall I continue...), its smart in my mind for a stripper affectionado to learn how things work behind the scenes to protect himself/herself from getting scammed. And every club is a new lesson to learn.

    But yes, in the end its the final tally that ultimately matters. Most dances here are $20, but one club has them for $25 (roughly the same mileage) and that club just happens to have the best looking dancers in town. Some nights I feel like going there and coughing up the extra five bucks, some nights I don't. I will say this though, the higher a dance costs, the less likely that I am going to throw in additional money, and vice versa.

    Catfish, would the breakdown of the charges prevent you from watching the movie in the first place? I agree I'd like the performer to keep as much of that as possible but it is a concerted effort to bring that service to the public. At a nightclub they had a dancer with live musicians. The dancer was the one who received the tips but what if it were up to the audience to tip the musicians? They'd receive very little if anything. How about putting in for the rent of the building? Besides the performer only the bartender might receive a tip.
    How about rock star divas (who I already believe receive too much)? What if it were up to the public what costs went to the performer, the agent, the recording company, the publicists, the merchants? Everyone involved has to speak up for their share. It's a nice thought we want the performer to receive the lions share but most do not give a thought to those instrumental behind the scenes.

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    Catfish, would the breakdown of the charges prevent you from watching the movie in the first place? I agree I'd like the performer to keep as much of that as possible but it is a concerted effort to bring that service to the public. At a nightclub they had a dancer with live musicians. The dancer was the one who received the tips but what if it were up to the audience to tip the musicians? They'd receive very little if anything. How about putting in for the rent of the building? Besides the performer only the bartender might receive a tip.
    My point Dreamer is this. I think the concession prices at movie theatres are beyond ridiculous, (even worse than the ridiculous prices for drinks and dances at strip clubs) and without any justification of why this is, I'd probably just think that the theatre was just trying to gough me. I am aware however, that the theatre only got to keep roughtly 55 cents of that $5.50 matinee admission that I paid, which is why they charge me $4.50 for the same amount and quality of popcorn that I can make in my microwave for less than a buck. Understanding where the money goes helps justify an expense, I would not otherwise make. Some moviegoers might not give a rat's fink about that sort of stuff, but I do.

    Strippers are a completely different type of entertainment though. I can't go to a movie, concert, or ballgame and get Nicole Kidman, The Rolling Stones, or Roger Clemens to entertain me personally, but at a strip club, I can get up and personal with one of the "stars" of the show. If I like a girl and want to have myself stick out from the other guys she's entertained, it certainly couldn't hurt to have her interests in mind, which is making money.

    Generally I hate buying dancer drinks as they're an absolute ripoff, but knowing that gals at certain clubs have a quota to sell, I might cough up for one at a club if I enjoy a particular lady's company. Again, understanding these sort of things helps justify the expense.

    Needless to say, I haven't had a dance yet that required a 100% tip. However knowing that these kind of scams are commonplace at strip clubs, I might bite if the "dance chip" that Lestat had to buy were more reasonably priced, say $10 ($15 tops), and I had to give the gal a 100% tip.

    At $25 however, unless Britney Spears herself is going to writhe on my lap, forget about it.
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    At the clubs in Michigan its $10 for a non-contact table dance. Its between $20 and $25 for a VIP dance and its only a 2 minute song. Contact varies from club to club.
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    At my local club its $20 for a topless couch dance. They also have a $10 topless table dance but Ive never done one of those. I'd rather spend the extra $10 for the real deal. My ex club in Indy was $10 for couch and only $50/half hour in VIP. All topless full contact. I used to drop 50 after 50 there...one hell of a deal. And it is a nice club too.
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    I think $50 a song is expensive. In Puerto Rico it varies. The norm (at least in western PR) is $20 for two songs, topless, $30 two songs, nude. In San Juan, it's pretty much as in the States, but in at least two clubs it's $30 for just one song.



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    Dr. Catfish, talk about concessions just go to your local airport. I think only the most desperate would shop for anything there. That's why I don't eat there, unless I have a long layover. When you say "justify the expenses" I think you mean justifying paying so much for a product or service not what the expenses break down to. When you go to a S.C. to see your favorite dancer you are paying for the entire package. That is , when you go to the supermarket to buy groceries the price not only includes the item but the stock boy, the cashier, the janitor, the well lit and spacious isles, the parking spaces, the carts, bags etc. that all together work to give you the sense of value for your purchase.
    The bottom line is ,do you believe your money is worth that product or service? Despite of all the rip-offs do you believe it is worth that price to board the plane to wherever? If there was a cheaper method to satisfy that need ,I think you would have chose it.
    Lestat1, I didn't take your article as a complaint. If the cost is required ,then I don't consider it a tip. Hey man, customer is king. If it isn't worth your hard earned bucks then don't pay it.

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    lestat if the cost of the dance token is $25 and you're tipping $25, that is an unusually large tip. Most guys don't tip at all on dances, and most of the ones who do, don't tip 100% of the dance price like you. Most clubs I've worked in / been to / heard of have a $20 standard price, but in the last few years that's started to go up in some places. My current club charges $30 for a song and the girls keep $20. Some guys will tip $5 or $10 on top of that for one song. IMO, you can't really add the tip into the price of a dance, since the tip is a voluntary thing. If you always pay double, then you're tipping very generously, and I hope the girls you dance with appreciate it! The cost of a dance is just the standard price - not including tip. With the number of clubs setting dance prices at $25-$30 of late, I don't think your club is out of line. You may not buy as many dances as before, but everyone will adjust to the new price soon enough and the day will come when $25 seems normal to you and the other customers.

    I'd recommend not tipping so much every single time you get dances - it is nice and some girls really appreciate it, but if you always do it with everyone they will come to expect it from you. Tip those you enjoy more, who put forth the extra effort, etc, but if someone does a less than spectacular job, don't tip or tip less. You should never get to a point where you consider 2x the dance price as the 'cost' of a dance!

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    [ at one of the clubs I go to the LD's cost $20 per song (5 minutes) [/quote]

    My regular club charges $20 per dance, but the dances only last for about 3 minutes. If you buy a private room, the room is for a half hour with a minimum 5 dances, but that only lasts for 15-20 minutes, so you have to buy more dances to fill up the 30 minutes. So while $25 per dance sound a bit higher than average, 5 minutes is a longer time than I'm used to. For me 30 minutes is like 10 dances or $200, for you it's 6 dances or $150. So in the end, your dances are cheaper. Also my club is fully nude (private LDs are topless). Bikini clubs in the area (NYC metro) are getting ~ $15 per 3 minute dance.

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    At $25 however, unless Britney Spears herself is going to writhe on my lap, forget about it.
    Hey I'd gladly pony up $50 for an LD from Britney and I'd give a $50 tip on top of that. lol...

    How does your tipping patterns change depending on the number of dances you get. If you tip say $10 for one dance do you tip $40 for four dances? To the girls, do the dancers appreciate when a guys gets a block of dances? And what are your thoughts on tipping for larger numbers of dances?

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    Hey Spanky, the only bikini clubs in NJ that charge $15.00 for a 3 minute dance are the Lace clubs. Titillations, Hitching Post, Shakers, Satin Dolls are all $20.00 and then you have Double D's at $35.00 for the first dance and I think $25.00 for each after.

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    Money -- I was refering to the Lace clubs as the bikini clubs, which last year only charged $10 a dance. I haven't gotten dances at the other clubs. My regular club is Stilettos Nanuet - great club! Thanks for the info.

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    lestat if the cost of the dance token is $25 and you're tipping $25, that is an unusually large tip. Most guys don't tip at all on dances, and most of the ones who do, don't tip 100% of the dance price like you. [. . .]
    Some guys will tip $5 or $10 on top of that for one song. IMO, you can't really add the tip into the price of a dance, since the tip is a voluntary thing. If you always pay double, then you're tipping very generously, and I hope the girls you dance with appreciate it! The cost of a dance is just the standard price - not including tip. With the number of clubs setting dance prices at $25-$30 of late, I don't think your club is out of line. You may not buy as many dances as before, but everyone will adjust to the new price soon enough and the day will come when $25 seems normal to you and the other customers.

    I'd recommend not tipping so much every single time you get dances - it is nice and some girls really appreciate it, but if you always do it with everyone they will come to expect it from you. Tip those you enjoy more, who put forth the extra effort, etc, but if someone does a less than spectacular job, don't tip or tip less. You should never get to a point where you consider 2x the dance price as the 'cost' of a dance!
    Hey B,
    Thanks for the input! I've checked out the message boards for some of the clubs I go to here (upstate NY) and the 100% tip rate really is just average. I've tried tipping less and haven't been happy with the results. I've also been asked to tip more than 100% upfront from girls the first time ever getting a dance from them, but I don't think I go frequently enough for them to be expecting it from me. The dancers around here are also of average looks...it's just a crappy area for customers, I think mainly due to restrictive laws. It sure sounds like it's much better everywhere else though, I'm getting jealous! Oh well, I still go and spend money and have a good time, I just don't go nearly as often as the rest of y'all get to.

    -lestat1
    Quote Originally Posted by _Avery_ View Post
    omg, why is it so huge?!! lol lol

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