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    Default Theories as to why there are so many BAD dancers?

    I know we always make the claim "they're only after our money", but judging by the behavior of a lot of dancers I've seen particularly over the past couple years has business has slowed, you wonder if they're even after that.

    I find it frustrating that so many of the gals I see in the clubs whine about business being so slow, yet these are the same girls who sit around table in the back of the main lounge smoking cigarettes and getting wasted half the night.

    How exactly can dancers with such poor business sense have the nerve to bitch that they didn't even make tipout for the evening. I know there are slow nights, but don't these girls realize that if a customer is sitting somewhere, that he is a potential sale? Wal-Mart doesn't close up early because there aren't that many customers in the store, now do they?

    I hate being hustled for dances every three minutes, but bringing money to have them and then not being asked is just downright irritating. Sure I've asked for the dances, but I feel the duty of asking should be the dancers job, should it not?

    Ever experience nights like that fellas? And what do you suppose your theories are as to why so many girls won't hustle during a time they need to be hustling the hardest.

    ??? Some things just don't add up.
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    Default Re: Theories as to why there are so many BAD dance

    Many of the girls at my club are 18-22 and haven't been through college or are in college. You can't really expect them to have great business sense or even know what it takes to succeed. That said, most dancers are terrible business women. They wait till the end of the month and say OMG! I need to make $3000 in 4 days and work double and triple shifts.

    As to your other points, the women that are working the floor, don't know how to work it. "Wanna dance?" No. And off they go. Duh! Most of the women attempting to work the floor, I wouldn't want dances from anyway. I see someone that lights my fire and go after 'em. LOL. Unlike regular clubs where guys do the asking and the girls the rejecting, I love asking knowing the answer will be yes. I want to choose who I'm spending money on. Not settle for whoever asks. I recommend you be more aggressive Doc. I think your SC adventures will have happier outcomes.
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    Default Re: Theories as to why there are so many BAD dance

    My two neighbors are dancers , which is great except they are a couple :-/ but anyway back to the subject- I get the impression that the reason many dancers seem to sit around in groups and ignore customers is because they find way too many customers wanting to talk and watch the stage show for free or they want more than dances.
    In short the girls tell me many to most customers these days do nothing but waste their time. So especially in the smaller clubs you see them waiting for their regulars, or they just do a drive by "wanna dance" then if the customer bites they go into work mode.

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    As a dancer, if I'm not hustling I'm having a bad day or somethings up. Often the customer looks like he has no money. I know you shouldn't judge a book by it's cover, but here in LA all too often there are 19 year old Hispanics in there who don't tip on stage, are looking for sex and don't speak English. If I can't communicate with you, you are useless to me. I don't mean to be catergorizing or stereo-typing Hispanics, b/c I do have some as customers, just sharing what I see that tends to be the norm here in my region. Not to say that whites, blacks, whatever aren't the same sometimes. I'll agree with Christopher that also here in Los Angeles, many customers aren't looking to buy a $40 nude lapdance just to have a girl dance. They are looking to fingerbang, get a HJ, a BJ, or sex. This gets old after a while. Don't gte me wrong, I love dancing and I always look forward to going into work. I avoid young men, b/c I feel I don't relate very well to them. I've had a few get turned off by me b/c I speak like I'm educated and not "ghetto". As for the rest, I usually do sit w/ customers and chat, then try to get a dance. I try to only pull the "wanna dance" line when I just get off from stage and the DJ's running a 2-for-1 special.
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    Normally, I hustle like any other dancer, but on nights that are sparse for me, I take on a Don't Worry, Be Happy attitude. I walk around, say "Hi" to people, but I don't give them the sales pitch. I don't ask for dances while I am on stage either. I just smile, and consider it an investment for another night. I find this helps, cause it takes the pressure off the guys. They will come up and tip me more often on stage because they don't have to deal with any hustling. They will come up and talk to me on the floor for the same reason. And if they don't have the desire to buy a dance that night, hopefully they will come back some other time when they are more financially prepared and remember how nice I was to just chit chat and flirt with them awhile. So on nights like that, I let them have the control in asking. They like that. Sometimes you have to know when to back off
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    Keep it up DenverD!!! That is the right approach. Guys do remember random acts of kindeness and it will pay off.
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    I agree. Can I have a dance DenverD?

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    Default Re: Theories as to why there are so many BAD dance

    It is really hard to get into one of the better MBA programs for exotic dancing

    Most of us have to settle for "on the job" training. Mine consisted of: "there's the stage, get up there and dance around while getting naked, don't be a prostitute, and don't use or sell drugs at work... Any questions?"

    So basiclly this is a business of the blind leading the blind. Personally I don't hustle. It feels too much like walking around begging for money. Instead I play hostess or social butterfly. I put a lot of energy into my stage shows and encourage the guys to come down front to watch (and the implied tipping that goes along). However I was a cocktail long before I ever danced, so this just felt natural to me, and hustling did not feel natural at all.

    I also feel that if a girl isn't feeling her groove she should kind of hide, instead of looking snobish sitting in the corner drinking. I know there is no money to be made in the dressing room, but I feel better taking some time out for myself while still keeping my schedule. No point in pissing off the customers with angry looks etc.

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    There are some very good posts here! How do we get this to the masses?
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    Default Re: Theories as to why there are so many BAD dance

    Many young dancers are shy and insecure. No one has taught them how to lapdance. They're pretty and guys are afraid to approach them.... If I like a girl's look, I'll invest time and even teach them how to dance. After that, when she makes money, it's like it all came from me.

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    Default Re: Theories as to why there are so many BAD dance

    Normally, I hustle like any other dancer, but on nights that are sparse for me, I take on a Don't Worry, Be Happy attitude. I walk around, say "Hi" to people, but I don't give them the sales pitch. I don't ask for dances while I am on stage either. I just smile, and consider it an investment for another night. I find this helps, cause it takes the pressure off the guys. They will come up and tip me more often on stage because they don't have to deal with any hustling. They will come up and talk to me on the floor for the same reason. And if they don't have the desire to buy a dance that night, hopefully they will come back some other time when they are more financially prepared and remember how nice I was to just chit chat and flirt with them awhile. So on nights like that, I let them have the control in asking. They like that. Sometimes you have to know when to back off
    This sounds alot like the way I am.....Some nights your just not in the hustle, but always thinking ahead might bring you rewards in the future......

    I have worked in some clubs, where the drinking and drugs are such a part of the routine for the girls, once the have a buzz they don't care if they make money or not...... Then you see that panic at the end of the month like fishnet said, I gotta make 3,000.........
    Some of these girls have customers who tip them strickly in drugs, and then thier buzz is set for the night....Its a sad circle they catch themsevles in, but to alot of them its thee only thing they have evr known and seems so normal.....
    Once they are buzzed I'll hear
    "why should I waste my time with these losers"
    I bet they don't have any money"
    They are to worried about ruining thier high to go talk with anyone..........
    Glad I am a Greedy bitch......LOL

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    SW2 is right. I think that the managers don't spend enough time with brand new dancers. The other dancers are probably afraid to either spend time or to teach them because if they give out their own tricks it will cut into their money and customers.

    I've spent altogether too much time in this hobby. I often play an "eye contact" game with someone I have not met before to try to get her to realize how important it is. Many girls that know me have been put through the mill. Eyes on eyes only no matter how or where she moves. And I'll only break in with a joke about something she's doing to throw her off and see if she can regain her "zone".

    Of course there are guys who couldn't care less about that - T&A and contact was all that mattered. But from the very start I would not even put a buck up on stage unless the dancer was giving me at least that much attention to me - no matter how beautiful or sexy or cute they were. It also created a level of detachment in me, similar to the one that dancers have, where I could hang with the most amazing looking women and it would barely phase me. Probably not a good thing. But I'm more relaxed now.

    Still, there's nothing like a girl with her head moving up your crotch with that "I'd eat you up given the chance" sort of look. And then breaks into a sweet or teasing smile. Or for that matter when on all fours looking backwards at you, like she was doing it doggie-style with you and wants more.

    I love watching a dancer "grow up". One year you go there and she can barely deal with the getting up and down on the high heels. The next year, her movements become incredibly slow up against the pole with her hands massaging herself all over, gyrating up and down. Her face has that "leave me alone, I need to be by myself" sort of look. She approaches most customers equally, but works in a little something different as she moves from one to another. But there's a special smile that appears as she sees a regular walk in, but not so as to take away from her performance for whom she's with. Her eyes have become like "fire". Her smile is like a present just for you.

    She approaches customers carefully, like she wants to spend quality time with each one and stays away from the impression that she's doing a "mad dash for cash".
    And she makes you feel like your the most important guy on earth, no matter how paralyzingly stupid you seem or how dumb your stories are.

    She knows all the buttons to press with each customer and how hard. She asks customers what they want her to wear for the next set. She can juggle two customers in different sections of the club, while being "with" one, she keeps the other interested for later.

    Even her walk changes to be so sensual you can't stand it. It actually becomes her regular walk.

    Guess what: YOU COME BACK TO SEE HER!

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    What the girls are experiencing is sales representative frustration. The less experienced that came in with all their high hopes and pumped up confidence are feeling it the worse. This period will separate the women from the girls.
    A true sales representative will keep their attitude positive long enough to weather the downturns. No body likes being rejected, but if you realize that each rejection leads you closer to a success then you can maintain your exhuberance. That and working on better performances.

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    Default Re: Theories as to why there are so many BAD dance

    Not every woman is cut out to be a dancer. Over the last several years, MTV and Tabloid news have made dancing appear as a glamorous, or at least more accepted profession. A woman can be TERRIBLE at dancing and still probably make more than she would at KMart. The clubs are flooded with newbies that don't understand that you make money with your brain, not your body.
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    I just think there are way too many women getting into the profession who really have no business being in it. Like Yoda mentioned, it has become a much more acceptable line of work, combine that with a terrible job market where there are not a whole lot of decent paying alternatives available and the result is more and more women giving it a try whether they are cut out for it or not.

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    I hate being hustled for dances every three minutes, but bringing money to have them and then not being asked is just downright irritating. Sure I've asked for the dances, but I feel the duty of asking should be the dancers job, should it not?
    I also dislike being hustled constantly or even doing the hustling constantly. However, as a dancer, I find it very flattering when a customer asks me for a dance. I like it - it is kinda similiar to someone asking you out on a date. On the other side, as a customer in a strip club, I definately like to do the asking not the other way around.




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    I know what you mean.. there is one dancer who is still new (only be at the club a month or so). Whilst she makes good money... her stage performances are not thrilling, she doesn't give any eye contact on stage and is "all moves" (looks a little stiff). She's the same with her lap dances ... I've told her to relax a bit more and have eye contact with the audience on stage but I think my advice has fallen onto deaf ears.

    Oh well...

    OTOH... there is another dancer at the club that I've seen "grow up". She was so afraid of the stage and everything.. now she is pulling in the good dollars. It is amazing how some girls do blossum given time


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    Oh Lordy, LMAO us guys would all be broke
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    It would be nice if the clubs could give girls some videos to watch to train them! Like Taco Bell and McDonalds do! LOL! Its hard to start out because you are totally thrown in without knowing too much. Managers barely take the time to even let you know the rules of the club. I know when I first started I was scared to death and had to learn everything on my own. I didn't even know how to ask for a dance much less how to give one! I love seeing girls start off and then get better and better.
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    BD is right! I watched two girls that did well on amateur night get a 5 minute spiel from a bouncer. You can do this and that and we can only collect for... and then they were thrown to the wolves. :o
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    Broke, but I can gaurantee you'd all be very, very happy...
    Let's see..
    there's Cyn, Alanna, Kittie, AussieVee, BikerDoll, Bridgette, DenverD, to name the ones right off the top of my head...(sorry if I missed anybody)
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    Back on topic.. I just thought of something.. it is like anything. There are the good and bad.. like in hospitality I wasn't that great (average) and there are other hospitality workers (bartenders, waiters, etc) that are great. Sometimes it is training: if the person has invested in it (done a course or something). Also, do they enjoy their job to want to be better at it or are they quite happy with being where they are?? ???


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    I agree with Yoda's point about MTV and all the movies like Striptease making the whole thing more mainstream and attracting women who really shouldn't be there in the first place. I was flipping thru the channels on cable TV about a year ago and came across a teaser for MTV's real world. She was going to do an amatuer nite at a strp club. So I watched the program. She did th amateur nite and afterward, she (the dancer) said, "IT WASN'T SEXY, IT WAS JUST FUN." That's kind of the mindset of alot of the dancers, many of think that they're dancing at a nightclub. I don't think some of them even regard what they do as work or a job, but rather having fun.

    Another reasonis that they're told not to practice. If you go to the pink site, a new dancer will ask about doing pole tricks, and the older ones will tell her not to bother. And i've seen it on other advice to stripper sites as well. They say it right out, "Any woman can be a dancer, you don't even have to know how to dance." Then they proceed to offer advice on the "Hustle techniques" likemake him fell special by asking for his business card and flirting. They also suggest to "target" customers who spend big bucks easily and ignore the others. I suppose that works well in the well advertised gentleman's clubs. When the economy iwas good that gentlemen's club policy was filtering down to the local bars. Of course that left the dancers without a back-up and alienated the regular customers.


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    When the club I frequent first opened, I'm told the girl just had to take off her clothes and she could make $1000 night easy. Now they complain because they have to work and hustle to make $500. I've heard this from customers and dancers alike.
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