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    Sorry but this is going to be a bit of a "mini-rant"....today I went in to the club, right. I got a two for one from one dancer I had never met. It was nude 2 way contact, right. Now I am always very respectful of a dancer's private zones. I am always mindful of how much contact they feel comfortable with etc. Now this girl was fine with two way contact, and so I gently rubbed her legs, back and waist etc. Did not touch her breasts or anything like that. Everything was fine, no prob. Then a little later I got a full-price lap dance from another dancer. First of all, for the same price she didn't do nude...that should have been a tip off right there. Then she proceeded to basically give me an airdance. Mind you, she was very attractive etc. However, since RI is full contact, airdances are silly and don't do anything for me...I'd go to MA if I wanted one of those. Then when she puts her leg on me, I touched the back of her calf and I got hand checked!!! At first I wasn't sure if she was really hand checking me, so I tried to touch the back of her calf again...hand checked again!!! Twice more even! Now I never EVER get hand checked. Like I said before I am very respectful and I only do what the dancer will allow...and I have never had any complaints, etc. So I was like WTF?!? I felt like it was a "pre-emptive strike" or something...like she wanted to prevent me from the POTENTIAL touching that might occur from touching the leg. After three hand checks I was grinning and bearing it, but I was pretty turned off by that point...it ruined it for me. I didn't say anything to her about it either, I just kept my hands at my sides and grinned like a buffoon, making small talk. Silly me I even got a second dance from her, just to see if it would be the same...and of course it was. So I spent more money for less [grr].

    I'm not the kind of guy who gets pissed off at a dancer and I can respect her boundaries. And I think that this dancer was nice (although I would never get another dance from her again...). However, I get irked when someone is hand checking me for no apparent reason...when I haven't done anything (in my book) to earn it.

    Have you ever been hand checked for no apparent reason? And what did you do about it? Did you say anything or did you just let it go? What's the least amount of contact that you've been handchecked for (this goes mainly for contact clubs)? And did you get any more dances from her, despite the fact that you had been unfairly handchecked? Just curious... ???

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    i really don't get what you mean when you say unfairly hand-checked. it isn't unfair if it crosses the dancer's boundary. how can you say you respect that each dancer has her own comfort zone and then say the hand-checking is unfair? it would be unfair if she told you that you could touch her in a certain place, and when you did during the dance she checked you, but you didn't say that was the case. i also don't understand why you kept touching her when her hand-checking clearly showed that the touching was unwanted. i could see trying it a second time if you weren't sure the first time that it was a check, but why continue behavior that she obviously wasn't going to allow?

    the problem here seems to be simply that this dancer is working in a club where she isn't willing to give the amount of contact that seems to be what is generally acceptable at this club. well, fine... then she won't get repeat dances, customers will find her discouraging, and eventually she'll probably leave. now you know not to get any more dances from her in the future.

    however, if this club charges customers for a nude lap dance, the dancer should be nude... that's what the club apparently offers for the price you paid, so that's what you should have gotten - a totally nude dancer.

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    well sure, if contact is acceptable at this club, then he has a right to feel unhappy with the service... it doesn't give him the right to touch the dancer if she doesn't want it. obviously, she chose the wrong environment to work in.

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    Alanna--

    I see what you are saying about touching the dancer twice on the legs after getting hand checked...like why would I do it if I knew she didn't want it and wouldn't that be disrespectful?

    Well, like you said, the second time I did it, it was because I wasn't sure if she was actually hand checking me. She was very smooth about it and I thought maybe she was just moving my hand so she could change position, etc. When she checked me the second time then I knew it was intentional. I think the third time I did it it was just force of habit...when she finally got up close to me I naturally touched her gently on the back of the leg (lower calf again, mind you...not even thigh). Since the club is normally 2-way contact I automatically do it...I do it to show the dancer that I like her and also to break the ice that sometimes occurs when you don't know her and you're dancing for the first time. When she brushed it away for the third time then I had to concentrate on just keeping my hands planted beside me, and that ruined it for me. Like I said, if I had gone into a no-contact club...I would go into the dance conditioned into no-touching altogether and I always obey. But in this particular club it seemed silly. I can respect a dancer's boundaries but that seemed over the top, that's all...

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    porky, im not gonna ask what girl.....but what club was this at? Foxy?

    alanna, i fail to see your point about respecting her(she doesn't have to do contact), but then saying the clubs rules are nude for this price so she should be nude. the amount of clothing and the contact are both part of the dance. it is the standard in RI clubs for there to be two way contact(no breasts, no gstring). so realy, if shes going do airdances, she should state it up front. its known that if you get a dance in RI it will be contact. if she choses not to do contact, shes breaking the implied contract. its the same as her not getting nude durring the nude dance. she didn't deliver.

    and porky, why did you get a second dance? lol. why not just find someone else?

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    porky, im not gonna ask what girl.....but what club was this at? Foxy?
    hmmm sandy...how'd you guess? [idea]


    and porky, why did you get a second dance? lol. why not just find someone else?

    I know, I know.... [frustrated] LOL

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    ok, follow up question. when you were young, did you drink gasolene or eat paint chips? cause you have to seriously fucked in the head to even consider going to the foxy lady providence. i can understand one of my friends going to the foxy in brockton because he lives within walking distance. but if you're gonna go to RI, atleast go to a REAL strip club. ok, let me rephrase my previous posts. RI is a contact dance state, save foxy lady. i just figured that a SCJunkie would be wise enough to know this by now. i must say, im very disapointed.

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    I hear what you're saying sandy. I usually know better. However, I have had good experiences there, despite all of the bad press it gets for airdances, etc. And usually I go to see particular dancers that I know for certain are not airdancers, and I have had a great time. So let's put this way...I am not surprised at the fact that I got screwed on the price or that I got an airdance (although I have been very fortunate in the past...)...I guess that is par for the course there (oh yeah...I also forgot to mention that she started the first dance halfway through the song... [frustrated] [cuss])

    Why I went this morning was that I went to see the feature that was advertised at 10 AM and go enjoy breakfast on my day off....but despite the fact that I got there at 9:30 the feature show had already gone on at 9 AM...that's the third time that I've gone there when the feature started an hour off (usually an hour late, though) from the time advertised.

    In any case, they had a particularly bad day (typical by some accounts perhaps). However, the brushing away of hands that this dancer did was beyond the pale...even for that club. Dancers like that should wear a disclaimer printed on their g-strings or something....

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    Whether you are in a high contact club or low contact club, nude or whatever, the final decision as to what you can or cannot get away with is the decision of the dancer no matter how you cut the pie. The simple solution is to not get dances from her and not give her any money. And remember, this is coming from me, who 9 times out of 10 is against the dancer!

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    I don't call touching a girl on the calf "getting away" with anything, money.

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    Doesnt matter pork! You dont get it! Basically no matter where the club is or whatever goes on in the club normally, the dancer has the final say! Whether it is touching her calf, tits, kooch or whatever. If she says you cant, you cant. That is it! Maybe she wont last long. Or maybe she will change. But ultimately she has the final say, no ifs and or buts about it. She obviously had a problem with u touching her. So you should have cut your losses after one dance, and then never spend on her again.

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    ok, wait a minute... now i'm confused. you're saying that this particular club doesn't allow contact?

    porky, have you been to this club before? i assumed this was a club that you regularly went to and were familiar with what goes on there and the rules. maybe you just got lucky with that first dancer? is two-way contact actually permitted in this club's rules? in any case, getting hand-checked for touching a dancer's calf in a two-way contact club is pretty extreme.

    alanna, i fail to see your point about respecting her(she doesn't have to do contact), but then saying the clubs rules are nude for this price so she should be nude. the amount of clothing and the contact are both part of the dance. it is the standard in RI clubs for there to be two way contact(no breasts, no gstring). so realy, if shes going do airdances, she should state it up front. its known that if you get a dance in RI it will be contact. if she choses not to do contact, shes breaking the implied contract. its the same as her not getting nude durring the nude dance. she didn't deliver.
    this is more of a legal issue then a logical one... no club can insist that a dancer allow unwanted contact from a customer because technically, that's assault, so no club that permits the customer to touch the dancers is ever going to say that every dancer has to allow every customer to touch them. nudity is another matter... if the club advertises that they charge x amount of money for a nude dance, and the dancer doesn't deliver the full monty, then that's charging for a service not completely delivered. although a lot of clubs leave even the full nudity up to the dancer's discretion in the lap dance situation... they may be nude on stage but not nude for dances or even vice versa. and i agree that if this is a two-way contact club (meaning that the club's rules say that two-way contact is allowed) and this dancer won't allow two-way contact, she should say so up front (and we know she isn't doing that because she knows she won't get many dances). if a dancer consistently doesn't do what is considered standard and acceptable at a certain club and is within the club's rules, she's going to feel it in her earnings pretty darn quick. not only that, but the other dancers will get on her case about it... they aren't going to be happy doing contact dances for the same amount of money that she's making for doing non-contact dances.

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    I get it perfectly money. Fact is, she never said I couldn't touch her there...she just brushed the hand away. It was so absurd I wasn't even sure it was for real.

    Obviously as I already said, I'm not going to get any further dances from her...and it was stupid to get more than one. But sometimes, with some girls, mileage increases with more songs...I was hoping that was true in her case but mileage actually DEcreased if you can believe it on the second dance .

    I'm a firm believer in the idea that it's the woman's choice to do whatever she feels comfortable doing with her body. But this was like getting slapped in the supermarket for accidentally touching someone's elbow or something (not that that's ever happened to me...but...). It's called overreacting. I just feel bad for the future customers that fall unknowingly into her trap.

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    Alanna--

    The club does allow contact. I've been there before, and it's definitely allowed. 2-way contact is the norm for all RI clubs.

    However, this club has been infamous for employing dancers who routinely gyp customers and/or give airdances in spite of the club's/state's liberal touching policies. Luckily, I have not encountered any of those dancers (well I have been gypped once before...but normally I avoid dancers that I don't know.)

    I don't want to give out too much information about this particular dancer, but she said she had been there for less than a year. So she's fairly new, but not new enough not to know what is and what isn't acceptable.

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    [cheers] Hey pork, that is for you! You have to relax my man! No being like a typical New England sports fan! You need to be more like us NY/NJ fans. Calm cool and under control!

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    ok, so if this club is known for air dances and a lot of air dancers, how is it that you were surprised you picked a dud? just because a club allows certain contact doesn't obligate the dancers to provide it. apparently, she's hardly the only air dancer there, so it's no wonder that she hasn't been forced out. looks like at this club you've been lucky in the past at choosing the dancers that give you the type of service you prefer. and seeing as with all these air dances and air dancers, it isn't actually standard there to get a two-way contact dance, so she shouldn't feel an obligation to inform you beforehand of what her dance consists of.... the standard at this club appears to be the luck of the draw.

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    [cheers] Hey pork, that is for you! You have to relax my man! No being like a typical New England sports fan! You need to be more like us NY/NJ fans. Calm cool and under control!
    [cheers] back at ya buddy. Still I'm a Sox fan through and through (can'tya tell?). Typical basket case. But it's easy to be calm, cool, and collected when you know that you're going to win every year, like the Yankees.

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    ok, so if this club is known for air dances and a lot of air dancers, how is it that you were surprised you picked a dud?
    Not surprised, as I said earlier. I guess I'm just a little bit bitter, that's all. Don't get the wrong idea--I'm not really pissed off about it, I'm basically bitching that's all. And I was curious if anyone else went through similar experiences (like getting swatted away for touching a foot or an elbow...that type of thing....)

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    Yeah Porcupine...
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    I know we're not open for breakfast (or even lunch LOL, but if you come in tonight, you'll get me and all that great crazy porn! LOL
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    I also can't wait to see the crazy porn again...I heard there was a clip of you doing bizarre things w/French bread...and w/Lestat's Longtooth (making a cameo appearance)....

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    And I was curious if anyone else went through similar experiences (like getting swatted away for touching a foot or an elbow...that type of thing....)
    I was at a 'grinding contact' club where some dancers allow breast-touching and I met a dancer on her first night there. She had danced before at an airdance club and was really, really cute so I couldn't resist getting a dance from her (I know--first night at a contact club, what was I thinking!?) Anyway, I figured I'd just take things easy on her first night so I rested my hands on her back. She subtely brushed them away and I, thinking it was unintentional, put them on her back again. She grabbed my hands and pinned them down on each side of the chair for the rest of the song. I wanted to ask her if she was aware what type of club she had decided to work at, but I said nothing. I don't think she works there anymore.

    So I've been there, it's just a dancer who picked the wrong club to work at...for me it's not worth getting upset over.

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    I also can't wait to see the crazy porn again...I heard there was a clip of you doing bizarre things w/French bread...and w/Lestat's Longtooth (making a cameo appearance)....
    If you enjoyed that cameo, be sure to check out Lestat's Longtooth in "Amorous Amber 5: can she handle the tooth?" coming soon from Vivid Video.
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    Generally I don't care how liberal a clubs touching standards are, I keep my hands to myself. Dancers become more open to contact with guys who respect their comfort zones. Many times, I've had girls actually grab my hands and place them on their hips, lower backs, and occasionally buttocks.

    This way, not expecting contact, if I get a bad dance I don't get all bent out of shape about it, but make it clear, if I feel the dancer isn't giving me what I payed for (particularly when she has co-workers who will do a better job), that dance from her will be the last one. I like to think of it as "passive bargaining".
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    Sorry but this is going to be a bit of a "mini-rant"....today I went in to a club less than a mile from where porky went. I got a topless 2for1 from a dancer I had never met.... Near the end of the first song, she pulls her G down, takes my hand, and parks it with my fingers on her labia. I moved it back to her butt and she parks it in the same place again. WTF?... My fave saw it, and when we're later on the sofa together, she says, "I still love you no matter who you do." DO? I had to pinky swear never to go near that dancer again.

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    Contact club or not, if you aren't happy with the first dance, you don't reward her with a second.
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    Sorry but this is going to be a bit of a "mini-rant"....today I went in to a club less than a mile from where porky went. I got a topless 2for1 from a dancer I had never met.... Near the end of the first song, she pulls her G down, takes my hand, and parks it with my fingers on her labia. I moved it back to her butt and she parks it in the same place again. WTF?... My fave saw it, and when we're later on the sofa together, she says, "I still love you no matter who you do." DO? I had to pinky swear never to go near that dancer again.
    Hey sw, if it's ok with you I'll go ahead and trade my experience for yours...

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