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    ok, maybe it's me, but i don't think it's fair to lock a topic before most people have a chance to respond. if a topic needs to be locked after only being here a day, does it really need to be here at all?

    which brings me to the whole Mike rant thing:

    first of all, Amber, i don't think it's appropriate for people to make public what was said to them in private, particularly verbatim. the only reason i can see that someone would respond to something publically that was written to them privately is to curry favor with other posters so their response doesn't have to stand alone. by publicizing the message Mike wrote to you privately and responding to it publically, really just makes me question how firm you are in your own beliefs... what other reason could there be for doing such a thing if not to encourage "help" from other people's responses?

    besides making a private issue public that doesn't need to be, posting people's private messages in the public forum blows the poster's trustworthiness right out of the water. i'm sure i'm not the only one that may think twice about sending any private messages to you after this.

    i happen to agree with most of what you said in your response, but i don't see a reason why it needed to be made public, and because you did make it public, it killed some of the element of conviction, which kind of spoils the whole thing.

    and since you're the one, Amber, that started the topic with Mike's private message to you, it's really inappropriate to suggest that other people stop responding to it at a time of your choosing... if you want your own "Amber Forum" where you have control of what is said or not said be it public or private, make one.

    now for Mike:

    i realize you aren't comfortable with contact dancing - you've made that plain already. you aren't alone as there are a whole lot of people that aren't comfortable with it. however, it doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about the feelings, aspirations, motives or personal worth of the dancers that do it or the customers that pay for it or make the assumption that non-contact dancers wouldn't be just as comfortable with contact dancing. it also doesn't give you the right to assume that you're better then the people involved in contact dancing anymore then the bible thumpers that think they're better because they feel that all forms of exotic dancing are wrong. everyone draws their personal lines at their own place, and it's not up to you to decide for everyone what that place should be, and it certainly isn't your place to try to change peoples' minds to your way of thinking when they are comfortable with where they've drawn their lines. how much money you make or how much life experience you have under your belt also doesn't make you an authority on what is best for other people, particularly people you don't even know.

    you've said before that light contact dancing or one way contact dancing is ok in your book, yet you take issue with those people (either who give or partake) that is slightly over YOUR personal line. you have also mentioned certain clubs that you enjoy, yet some of them offer contact dancing.

    which brings me to the whole issue of what you've been saying are your personal feeling regarding contact dancers and contact dancing... for someone who has already stated that they get sex occasionally from escorts, who are you to look down on or take issue with contact dancers, contact dancing, and all the various and sundry hygienic reasons or personal moral reasons for being against it and/or them? the person who pays for and uses the services of a prostitute is no better then a prostitute herself, yet you have objections with contact dancing, contact dancers and clubs that offer this service while at the same time recommending clubs that offer these services.

    you mentioned a few clubs that you prefer in their "upscaleness" and have encouraged Amber in your message to her to stop working as a contact dancer and suggested other clubs for her to work where supposedly she would not be doing any contact dancing, yet i know from personal experience that a couple of the clubs you have recommended are the biggest whorehouses i've ever stepped foot in. it's incredibly naive of you to assume that upscale clubs don't have prostitutional acts going on... they do. there is virtually no club that has 100% squeeky clean dancers - PERIOD. the only difference in the upscale clubs as opposed to the mediocre or low end clubs as far as prostitutes and prostitutional acts going on are how discreet they are, where they generally take place and how much they cost.

    further, you've complained many times about how others have said things that are personally insulting to you and/or are "slanderous and out of line", yet you have in past posts done the same thing to others. you have even attempted to cover that by insisting that it is your OPINION, but that doesn't change the fact that your OPINIONS are viewed as belittling, insulting, slanderous and out of line. it makes no difference if you say "contact dancers lack self respect" or "it is my opinion that contact dancers lack self respect" because either statement still results in the same bad feelings of belittlement, insult, slander and the position that you're out of line. it is useless to make statements preceded by "i believe", "i feel" or "it is my opinion" as any statements made by anyone here are already assumed to be personal opinion.

    you've complained that other posters have been judgmental toward you, yet you've made judgmental statements freely toward others and have even gone so far as to offer unsolicited advice to others to follow your line of thinking that are clearly unwanted and unappreciated... as in the case of your personal message to Amber - you already knew that she is comfortable with contact dancing, had previously stated that she lacks no self respect and had also previously stated that she found your remarks about contact dancers insulting. by sending her that message, you totally disregarded her feelings and beliefs (that you had previous knowledge of), therefore, for what reason would you say what you did to her other then to be intentionally insulting and/or to encourage her to change her ways not for her own benefit or peace of mind, but for yours?

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    Its times like this I miss having McCain over here to set us straight.

    Nonetheless, I thank Alanna for bringing this up because I've also been noticing something occuring over the last week or so concerning the whole 'Mike' snafu that's been a tad disturbing.

    Let me quote Mike from one of those "closed" threads:

    Mike wrote:
    So yeah if it is stimulating the genitals- its prostitution, and yes that makes a grind dancer a prostitute and a grind buyer a john.

    Stick your heads in the sand and deny deny deny all you want but reality is what it is.

    Thing is many people here come across as thinking nothing is wrong with prostituion- if that were true you wouldn't be so defensive and in DENIAL about buying and providing it.
    If your paying to have someone rub your cock( grind dances) or rubbing some guys cock for pay( grind dances) then it is prostitution. You are paying or being paid to physicaly stimulate genitals for pleasure- its prostituion- plain and simple. Denial of that indicats shame/embarrasment and if you truely didn't find it "wrong" you'd have no issue with admiting the truth of the matter.

    Again , I see nothing immoral with the act itself- and that is why I am able see it for what it is and call it by name.
    Now let me state that Mike could probably have been a bit more tactful in the way he went about stating this and his other comments on the whole legality of contact matter, and that I don't necessarily agree with him.

    But while a lot of us guys sure got our fur ruffled over said comments, was he really out of line with this? I would say no.

    Why is this so disturbing? Haven't we had more than a few discussions on the alleged 'snobbery' over on the pink site, where if someone makes a comment that some members find abrasive and doesn't go with what the majority faction over there wants to hear, whomever made the abrasive comment gets jumped on, whether deserved or not?

    Some of us have stated in the past about how certain girls over on the pink site seem to want their egos coddled rather than have a balanced discussion where people are going to say things that they don't want hear. In respect to Mike's comments, have we not started doing the same thing over here now?

    I'm not pointing the finger at any particular party here, and I'm probably somewhat guilty of it myself, but somebody had to bring this up. Perhaps I naively thought we men we're immune from this sort of thing, but apparently not. We can be just as pouty as the SW ladies when someone threatens our value system.

    There is not and should not be some 'party line' over here or over on SW. If someone should be free to defend the practice of extras over there without being pummled into submission, then someone should be able to call grinding prostitution over here, am I not correct?

    And while I hate to see threads devolve into flame wars, I second Alanna's complaint about threads being closed after such a short time.
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    Excellent commentary on the problem, Alanna. My only comment would be that trust doesn't count for much in this subculture, except perhaps to heighten betrayal.... I have commented previously that the differences between Mike and Amber reflect a larger pattern behavior in clubs.

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    My two cents. Maybe the two of you have little experience with trolls. A good troll doesn't just drop bombs. A serious troll will start out as a normal poster and become one of the regulars. After a while, troll will introduce an inflammatory subject. When people respond, he'll keep the thread - and the subject - going for as long as possible. One way he does so is by using the "who, Me?" line. "I'm just trying to have a reasonable discussion". Then, he'll post under a new name.
    So what do you do with an obvious troll? Personally, in a usenet group I just killfile them. The problem is that other people respond, then get sick of it and stop posting. So then I'm left with a newsgroup that no one bothers reading.These moderated message boards were created in response to the combination of trolls and spam in newsgroups.
    I didn't look at the thread that was closed, but I can imagine what it was about. Can I suggest that in many, if not all, discussion groups, certain subjects get beaten in death very quickly. There reaches a point that no further light is being shed on the subject. When that time comes, and one person continues to bring up the subject, then a reasonable person may be inclined to ban the subject and refer anyone interested to the archive.
    Myself, - I don't read or respond to troll-spew, and I recommend my method as the best way to deal with the beast. Nothing hurts them more.
    Like I said, my two cents.

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    catfish, you make a good point but I have to agree with Alanna on this topic. I truely do value everyone's opinion on this site but when your opinion's start become judgemental, demeaning, and insulting to damn nearly everyone on this site I don't see it as being of any value to anyone here, at that point they are posting not to inform and enlighten as they claim they are but only to incite a flame war and I don't come here for that.

    As far as Amber is concerned, I back her completely and although I have never PM'd her I wouldn't hesitate for a second if I felt the need to, and if I PM'd something insulting or demeaning to her I would have it coming if she felt the need to post it on this board.

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    SW2, i totally know what you're saying about Mike not being out of line in the comments he made that you quoted. actually, i agree with a lot of what he said there... personally, i DO find total grinding lap dances prostitutional regardless of the letter of the law particularly when it's not at least combined with some semblance of dancing or acrobatics. i'm just ok with feeling like it's prostitution and doing that kind of dance (within certain personal limits) anyway as i don't have a problem with prostitution for myself that's within certain personal limits.

    it's other comments that Mike has made, and inferred by the style of writing, about respect and someone's value as a person, particularly when he admits he pays for prostitutional services on occasion from escorts.

    you're right that there seems to be a party line emerging here as on SW, and i don't think it's appropriate in either place.

    as for the trust comment, yes it is a subculture that's not indicitive of trustworthiness, but it would be a shame if everyone here said things and acted as they would if they were in a club... that would tend to disregard a main purpose for the forums as they should be places where people can say things and ask questions they wouldn't feel comfortable doing in a club environment. it's just common courtesy that one would assume that a message sent to them privately is not one they'd have to worry about the sendee posting publicly. if some level of trust can't be assumed here that we wouldn't ordinarily expect inside a club, and that would be assumed on any other type of forum, then a lot of the point to the forums is lost. in the forums we aren't just dancers and customers but people in a way that shouldn't be as wary and contrived as it is in the clubs. frankly, if i felt i needed to be as suspicious of people and their intentions in here as i do at work, i wouldn't post in the forums at all.

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    From the Moderator:
    I have posted the Stripclub Junkie forum guide lines under Site News, and have pasted two sections of those guidelines below. Please read them.
    I have been instructed by Pryce to strictly enforce these guidelines. I have been very lenient in allowing borderline “flames” to remain and in some instances have edited them so they could be considered borderline. We want to make this forum an informative and entertaining place for dancer’s and customer’s alike. As Bostonboy so adeptly pointed out:

    “These moderated message boards were created in response to the combination of trolls and spam in newsgroups. I didn't look at the thread that was closed, but I can imagine what it was about. Can I suggest that in many, if not all, discussion groups, certain subjects get beaten in death very quickly? There reaches a point that no further light is being shed on the subject. When that time comes, and one person continues to bring up the subject, then a reasonable person may be inclined to ban the subject and refer anyone interested to the archive.”
    That is exactly the reason that I locked the two topics mentioned rather than deleting them, because I felt that the information should stay available for members to read. I will continue to enforce the forum rules in the best way that I know how.
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    Chuck--

    I must say publicly--excellent job on this. [clap] I would guess that the majority of us can agree that your enforcement of policy has been superb... Now perhaps we can move on and put this whole Mike thing to rest...if he wants to keep posting, let him...one big fat monologue. We can just ignore him, and if he bothers us any further, we'll try to keep the noise of the flames to a dull roar [flaming] LOL

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    Alanna, you are referring to the comments of dr._catfish in the first part of your most recent post, not my comments.... I will agree that there should be more trust in a strip club forum than in a strip club. I must have had a cynical moment.

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    ooops, you're right... that was Doc Catfish. my bad.

    maybe i shouldn't have even started this topic at all, but it's damn frustrating to read a couple of topics for the first time and not have a chance to have your say.

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    Alanna, I share your frustration as I too am just now seeing the topic. I guess there is no perfect system but, since this is a chat forum and not an encyclopedia, I would rather not see stuff that I am not allowed to respond to.
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    Alanna wrote:

    "it also doesn't give you the right to assume that you're better then the people involved in"

    I didn't assume or write I or any person was better than another .....

    "who are you to look down on or take issue with contact dancers, contact dancing, and all the various and sundry hygienic reasons or personal moral reasons for being against it and/or them? "

    I have NEVER posted anything regarding morals or morality and yet others keep insiting that is the agenda.... if people were to bother looking at things with open eyes and ears you'd see that I find nothing immoral about contact dancing or prostitution and am actually for decriminalizing- which I posted some info on today.
    Now hygine- thats another story and I am perfectly in my right to have and express my preferences and opinions on that matter.

    "further, you've complained many times about how others have said things that are personally insulting to you and/or are "slanderous and out of line", yet you have in past posts done the same thing to others. "

    lets review- I've publicy posted ( all the while making sure that it is understood to be only a personal opinion) things like non specific people lacking self-respect or being unsanitary

    and the comments directed explicitly to me BY NAME were-
    pompous a**hole, holier than thou and most recently stalker

    give me a break- like those can be compared to be in the same ballpark.

    "it is useless to make statements preceded by "i believe", "i feel" or "it is my opinion"


    when considering slannder in legal terms in makes all the difference in the world- I took great care to make it clear than I was only expressing my opinions or preferences rather than making slanderous belittleing comments.

    examples

    saying
    - Mike is a Pompous a**hole-
    is a belittling comment

    and

    insert Mike into slot A ( in terms of the stalker comment)
    is slanderous- which means
    the utterance of false charges or misrepresentations which defame and damage another's reputation

    saying:

    I find contact dancers to be lacking in self respect-
    is simply opinion much like-

    I find the smell of okra to be foul


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    This week on Mike's Legal News: the slander laws of the 50 states.

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    Mike's Legal New is a topic. Someone named Mike is starting on the law of slander under the UGH topic. It struck me as being out of place for future reference purposes. I'm just sharing information and insights to be helpful.

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    I think Chuck did the right thing in locking the topics. Things were clearly out of hand. It was also wise to put Mike's legal news in it's own topic where it can be read or ignored as we so desire. Chuck's actions clearly did not prevent Alanna, DC and others from continuing the discussion in a calm reasonable manner. Attaboy Chuck! LOL. BB sounds like he has the right solution.
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    I disagree with locking topics, simillar to restricting speach. however, if a topic is locked, you can just as easily(somewhat similar to this topic) start a new topic that is basically the same. because of that, i see locking topics to be pointless..."but thats just my opinion" LOL, ok, the quote was a joke.

    seriously, if a topic becomes inflamitory, so what? if you dont want to read it, dont. if you dont want to participate in posting to it, dont. doesn't mean that others shouldn't be allowed to share insights(yes, and in some cases insults.)

    im certainly guilty of "flaming"...in more ways than one ;-) LOL. listen, i speak my mind. if i insult someone, i feel its either warrented if im discussing something im passionate about...or, im just kidding with them. i make fun of people i like. i also forget halfway through a post as to what my original point was...such as now. basically, its a member site, so those in charge can make/enforce any rules they want. but i feel its best to allow members to decide for themselves what to read and respond.

    i know im certainly often offensive...the recent flaming probably has a strong correlation to my recently joining the site. chances are im not going to change...but you can all take a page from yodas book, and just ignore me. whenever you see my name, skip over it.

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    Why does it matter if there's a 'party line'? It is a common part of normal human social behaviour, and happens everywhere. In any group with a common thread, there will be at least one issue on which people will feel passionately about, one way or another, and those with similar feelings will tend to side up. So what? Since when does that make anyone a snob? Btw, as a side note, if you're calling someone a snob because they happen to have a more conservative comfort level than others, that is exactly like the pubescent boys who call girls who won't put out and/or other boys who don't try to poke everything in sight nasty names. And so what if people feel passionately about something - as long as they're not calling someone names, big deal. I haven't been here in a few days and haven't seen the referenced threads, but it seems a few people might be taking offense when none is really warranted. Just my two cents.

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    Why does it matter if there's a 'party line'? It is a common part of normal human social behaviour, and happens everywhere. In any group with a common thread, there will be at least one issue on which people will feel passionately about, one way or another, and those with similar feelings will tend to side up. So what? Since when does that make anyone a snob?
    Well, I'm the one who injected the "party line" reference into this thread so please let me clarify what I meant by it.

    You will have a majority faction and a minority faction on just about anything, but a majority faction is just that, a majority. That faction should not be attempting to use its strength in numbers to bully the minority faction around by attempting to make their position an official one. The moment we let a majority tyrannize these forums, we've effectively destroyed them as being conductive to open discussion.
    [shameful]

    Case in point (which I'm sure many of us are familiar with). Click the link below and start reading at Reply #24 as well as the meele that follows.

    http://www.stripperweb.com/cgi-bin/y...0&showall=true

    Now considering the "anti-extras" crowd is the majority faction on the pink site, I can see why a lot of gals found Precious's comments abrasive, and would have no problem with a reasoned disagreement of what she said, even a passionate one (I in fact posted my own), but Precious was merely sharing her opinion on the topic at hand in a very non-confrontational way, and she clearly got jumped on here.

    I certain hope that we don't have people on either site who are too intimidated to post their opinions for fear they're going to get hammered merely for going against the grain, unfortunately I suspect like a lot of others that we do. In fairness, a minority faction should not resort to making baseless accusations that they're being picked on merely because there is great disagreement with their viewpoint. Part of being a minority faction is being able to take the heat and stand up for yourself when it is directed at you.
    [shameful]

    Regardless of which faction we fall into, there is a simple maxim to go by here: What is popular is sometimes, but not always right. What is right is sometimes, but not always popular. An opinion is just that, an OPINION, and none of us should be so holier than thou to proclaim ours any mightier than that of our neighbors. The ONLY way to add credibility to your opinion is with reason. When people instead attempt to tear down others with either majoritarian bullying or minoritarian whining, its apparent that such people clearly do not have confidence to stand behind their own words.

    Sorry for making my two cents a full nickel, but I had to get that off my chest. Again, just my opinion.
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    I'm surprised at the number of people still posting taunting comments on the "legal news" thread. It would seem several still want to go back and forth on the issue. Lestat1 had a good suggestion. The posting of actual case law would have some relavance. I would certainly sit up and take notice if there were 6 recent cases of people getting charged with soliciting prostitution for getting laps in CA. As it stands, the statutes mean nothing because they are not applied as written. Till then, where's my ATF? I need more dances. LOL.
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    Yeah, it's what I was trying to point out earlier. I see guys here all the time referring to the 'snooty' (or whatever term) girls on SW ganging up on a girl who claims to do extras, then I come here today and find a bunch of guys ganging up on a guy who claims to not like contact and extras dances. Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black - the guys don't like girls 'ganging up' on extras girls, but they'll go right on and 'gang up' on the non-extras guy. Seems more like junior high crap to me. 'Oh you girls just don't like her because she puts out and we like her! Oh you're a guy and you aren't trying to get in her pants....what a dork!'

    Dr C, I mainly agree with you, but what I was mainly getting at is the stuff I just mentioned. People doing the same thing they complain about others doing. I've even seen guys here going on about how a certain girl on SW who claims to do extras made rational arguments for her position, but everyone else just attacked her. I've been reading the 'Mike Stuff', and it seems to me he's posted some pretty reasonable stuff, no name-calling or insults, and alot of people here have ganged up on the perceived threat. He has an opinion, he states it, so what? We all have our opinions and are free to state them. No need to get all riled and start making wild accusations, insulting and name-calling.

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    Well said Bridgette! Everyone is entitled to thier opinion and as a moderator, I'm just trying to "keep the peace" and allow that to happen. Actually, I've enjoyed the challenge

    However on the filp side, some poeple who post unpopular views need to have a "thicker skin"
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    Bridgette:

    There are lot's of non extras guys over here that have stated their preference and never been attacked.

    Mike basically said anyone that gets a contact dances(even one-way) is a john and any dancer doing the dances is a whore. I imagine this would have created quite a stir even on SW. He would not let it go at stating an opinion. It is one thing for rational people to agree to disagree. Mike would not let it rest unless everyone agreed with him and seemed determined to convert us to his way of thinking. To me that was the crux of the problem.
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    Well I obviously wasn't here for the big showdown, so I can only comment about what I've seen after the fact. I'm seeing comments here like
    'you can go over to SW and preach to the choir'
    'troll'
    'slander'
    and more that I can't think of right now and don't have the energy to go find them. I didn't see any of that from the other side. Yeah he probably got carried away with trying to make his point about contact dances being prostitution, but I didn't see any direct insults.

    Btw, I have to agree that in most cases, contact dances would be considered prostitution legally, and in the event of a raid alot of contact dancers would be arrested and charged with prostitution, even though all they were doing was a grind and we wouldn't socially call that prostitution. I can even cite some specific incidences that I know about where people were arrested and charged with prostitution for the mere act of being tipped a certain way by a customer, or being touched by that customer. One in particular where a few girls I used to work with were arrested when their club (a new club that opened after I left town) was raided and everyone was arrested, including the bouncers and manager and customers, and the club was shut down temporarily because vice cops said they saw girls being touched by customers while dancing. They had done a sting over a period of time and on the fateful night, all it took was for one cop to 'see' one dancer being 'touched' by one customer, and they arrested the whole lot. And guess what the girls were charged with? Prostitution. That means they all will have permanent marks on their records.

    Anyway, I didn't mean to jump on anyone's side, sorry. Just wanted to point out some things. I don't agree that contact in itself is prostitution, but that is generally how the law defines it. It doesn't matter what definition is commonly acceptable in that case. Personally I'd love to see the ridiculous 'clothed touching' laws done away with, because all most of us want is to be left alone to get down to the business of good ol' lapdancing!

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    When you lead a nontraditional life don't try to measure it with traditional milestones.

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    I think Chuck did the right thing in locking the topics. Things were clearly out of hand. It was also wise to put Mike's legal news in it's own topic where it can be read or ignored as we so desire. Chuck's actions clearly did not prevent Alanna, DC and others from continuing the discussion in a calm reasonable manner. Attaboy Chuck! LOL. BB sounds like he has the right solution.
    Actually I PM Chuck with the idea of putting the laws into one topic for those who wanted to reference them. And I appreciate Chuck doing so.......Unfortunatly certian posters continue to post in that thread for the sole purpose of writing flames and to add nothing to the topic at all.
    But there are at least two posters that ask questions about the subject matter rather than to negativly comment on my personal preferences.
    I think it would be nice for everyone ( especialy Chuck- who seems to be all too busy having to edit the flames )
    if only people who want to discuss the follow:

    LAWS ,

    DECRIMINALIZATION and/or LEGALIZATION

    CIVIL LIBERTY


    post in that thread
    and the rest just go on with other topics please.
    I mean is it really necessary that some of you continue to post how arrogent you find me or to continualy post the [glow=red,2,300]FALSE [/glow]statement of me moraly judging others.
    If you don't like me or the topic fine go on your merry way with topics and posters you do like.


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    I can even cite some specific incidences that I know about where people were arrested and charged with prostitution for the mere act of being tipped a certain way by a customer, or being touched by that customer. One in particular where a few girls I used to work with were arrested when their club (a new club that opened after I left town) was raided and everyone was arrested, including the bouncers and manager and customers, and the club was shut down temporarily because vice cops said they saw girls being touched by customers while dancing. They had done a sting over a period of time and on the fateful night, all it took was for one cop to 'see' one dancer being 'touched' by one customer, and they arrested the whole lot. And guess what the girls were charged with? Prostitution. That means they all will have permanent marks on their records.

    !
    I would like to see that- maybe someone else would too.... maybe post it on the legal thread? Any lawsuits in progress? How about local politcal office campaigns? what city/club?

    Thanks,
    Mike

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