ok, maybe it's me, but i don't think it's fair to lock a topic before most people have a chance to respond. if a topic needs to be locked after only being here a day, does it really need to be here at all?
which brings me to the whole Mike rant thing:
first of all, Amber, i don't think it's appropriate for people to make public what was said to them in private, particularly verbatim. the only reason i can see that someone would respond to something publically that was written to them privately is to curry favor with other posters so their response doesn't have to stand alone. by publicizing the message Mike wrote to you privately and responding to it publically, really just makes me question how firm you are in your own beliefs... what other reason could there be for doing such a thing if not to encourage "help" from other people's responses?
besides making a private issue public that doesn't need to be, posting people's private messages in the public forum blows the poster's trustworthiness right out of the water. i'm sure i'm not the only one that may think twice about sending any private messages to you after this.
i happen to agree with most of what you said in your response, but i don't see a reason why it needed to be made public, and because you did make it public, it killed some of the element of conviction, which kind of spoils the whole thing.
and since you're the one, Amber, that started the topic with Mike's private message to you, it's really inappropriate to suggest that other people stop responding to it at a time of your choosing... if you want your own "Amber Forum" where you have control of what is said or not said be it public or private, make one.
now for Mike:
i realize you aren't comfortable with contact dancing - you've made that plain already. you aren't alone as there are a whole lot of people that aren't comfortable with it. however, it doesn't give you the right to make assumptions about the feelings, aspirations, motives or personal worth of the dancers that do it or the customers that pay for it or make the assumption that non-contact dancers wouldn't be just as comfortable with contact dancing. it also doesn't give you the right to assume that you're better then the people involved in contact dancing anymore then the bible thumpers that think they're better because they feel that all forms of exotic dancing are wrong. everyone draws their personal lines at their own place, and it's not up to you to decide for everyone what that place should be, and it certainly isn't your place to try to change peoples' minds to your way of thinking when they are comfortable with where they've drawn their lines. how much money you make or how much life experience you have under your belt also doesn't make you an authority on what is best for other people, particularly people you don't even know.
you've said before that light contact dancing or one way contact dancing is ok in your book, yet you take issue with those people (either who give or partake) that is slightly over YOUR personal line. you have also mentioned certain clubs that you enjoy, yet some of them offer contact dancing.
which brings me to the whole issue of what you've been saying are your personal feeling regarding contact dancers and contact dancing... for someone who has already stated that they get sex occasionally from escorts, who are you to look down on or take issue with contact dancers, contact dancing, and all the various and sundry hygienic reasons or personal moral reasons for being against it and/or them? the person who pays for and uses the services of a prostitute is no better then a prostitute herself, yet you have objections with contact dancing, contact dancers and clubs that offer this service while at the same time recommending clubs that offer these services.
you mentioned a few clubs that you prefer in their "upscaleness" and have encouraged Amber in your message to her to stop working as a contact dancer and suggested other clubs for her to work where supposedly she would not be doing any contact dancing, yet i know from personal experience that a couple of the clubs you have recommended are the biggest whorehouses i've ever stepped foot in. it's incredibly naive of you to assume that upscale clubs don't have prostitutional acts going on... they do. there is virtually no club that has 100% squeeky clean dancers - PERIOD. the only difference in the upscale clubs as opposed to the mediocre or low end clubs as far as prostitutes and prostitutional acts going on are how discreet they are, where they generally take place and how much they cost.
further, you've complained many times about how others have said things that are personally insulting to you and/or are "slanderous and out of line", yet you have in past posts done the same thing to others. you have even attempted to cover that by insisting that it is your OPINION, but that doesn't change the fact that your OPINIONS are viewed as belittling, insulting, slanderous and out of line. it makes no difference if you say "contact dancers lack self respect" or "it is my opinion that contact dancers lack self respect" because either statement still results in the same bad feelings of belittlement, insult, slander and the position that you're out of line. it is useless to make statements preceded by "i believe", "i feel" or "it is my opinion" as any statements made by anyone here are already assumed to be personal opinion.
you've complained that other posters have been judgmental toward you, yet you've made judgmental statements freely toward others and have even gone so far as to offer unsolicited advice to others to follow your line of thinking that are clearly unwanted and unappreciated... as in the case of your personal message to Amber - you already knew that she is comfortable with contact dancing, had previously stated that she lacks no self respect and had also previously stated that she found your remarks about contact dancers insulting. by sending her that message, you totally disregarded her feelings and beliefs (that you had previous knowledge of), therefore, for what reason would you say what you did to her other then to be intentionally insulting and/or to encourage her to change her ways not for her own benefit or peace of mind, but for yours?



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Attaboy Chuck! LOL.
BB sounds like he has the right solution.

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