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    i walk into the sc. i find a relatively secluded corner. i pissed around the chair to mark my territory and to serve as a warning to others and sat down. i was on my second drink and just starting to decompress from a very long day. i noticed something out the corner of my eye. an agitated looking dancer and a bouncer approached some guy sitting down and the bouncer spoke to him. the guy gets up and the bouncer escorts towards the back of the club. i thought nothing of it and went back to scanning the room. the dancer (whom i knew in a superficial way ) sits right next to me . i ignored her because i'm not in the mood at the moment. i guess it was too much to hope that she would ask me for a dance. i could blow her off and she would leave. it didn't happen. so, i resigned myself to the situation and even became philosophical about it. at least it's better than the DJ's shtick, i told myself. and right on cue, she lights up a cigarette and starts talking to me .

    it turns out the guy (whom she never met before) who was escorted out, propositioned the dancer. in fact, he not only propositioned her once, but at least 4 times by her count. obviously, she got fed up with his behavior and called the bouncer. then she begins to lecture me on how, "you know, i'm not that type of dancer" (i know nothing of the sort ),blah, , , , and the ever popular, "the sc isn't the place for that". which is a strange comment. since, she is one of those dancers that seems to think that every other dancer in the club is doing something and not that she's completely wrong in that regard, either. in any case, i thought that would be the end of it. she would leave and i could go back to using my hindbrain ,but nothing is ever that easy :. she then proceeded to drop the female equivalent of the H-bomb by asking me, "what do you think?" . you might as well ask me if i think you "look fat in that dress" or "what pair of shoes goes better with my eyes?". usually, when women ask me that question. they already made their decision. it's just one of those sick and twisted psychological evaluation games that they play in order to get a desired response. sort of like applying a small electrical shock to a lab rat who picks the wrong lever in an experiment.

    oh well, in for a penny, in for a pound. so, being the urbane metrosexual that i am. i decided to take the sensitive approach. "what do i think about what", i replied. a desperate attempt to delay the inevitable possibility that she might be here all night sucking the lifeblood out of me . "do you think that guy should have been kicked out the club", she asked. "yessss!!! now,i can be rid of her" i thought to myself. "sure, i think you made the right decision. the guy was being a pest. :". she seemed very satisfied by that answer and left. whew, it's a good thing i didn't tell her, that i didn't think he was wrong for asking, just for asking too often. us:
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    Lol. I see what you're saying, but I also think that was dancer's point. If she really said no at least three times and the guy was still asking he deserved to be bounced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg15984#msg15984 date=1071533954
    Lol. I see what you're saying, but I also think that was dancer's point.
    errr..no...she was offended by both..at least that's the impression i got from her. of course, it might have been offended a different story if he were a regular of hers.
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    LOL mr_punk, funny story, I liked the fact that you marked your territory when first sat down, I'll have to give that a try. I would have answered the same way you did, like most women she wasn't looking for someone to disagree with her, but I'm sure I would be thinking "Give me an F-ing break", getting a guy thrown out for propositioning her, I don't care how many times he did it, why didn't she just get up and WALK away if she was offended, wouldn't that have solved the problem also?

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    Great post Mr. P!!!! Sounded like a TR to me. LOL.
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    Well written post Punk

    I never had anyone thrown out for asking, and I would have walked away myself and just reported it to a bouncer to keep an eye on

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    Mr. Punk, I think you see the consequences for being truthful in any circumstances.

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    if i had every guy bounced for asking me for a "date" it would be alot. i just say no and you probley wont find anyone else here either, and belive it or not it's the truth at my club, hell some of the girls i work with wouldnt even dance nude!!!
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    I usually insult the guy right back and then walk away. He is now a waste of my time. I report him to the bouncer and if too many girls get ther same treatment then he will be thrown out. Mainly, he'll be bounced because our area is terrible for Vice Squad, and we never know if Vice is watching or even if the guy himself is Vice. Bouncing him and being offended wins brownie points with the cops.

    Still, I dunno why she wanted to tell you all that. She sounds quite unprofessional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16078#msg16078 date=1071693741
    I usually insult the guy right back and then walk away.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16078#msg16078 date=1071693741
    Still, I dunno why she wanted to tell you all that. She sounds quite unprofessional.
    that's quite a contradiction.

    still, i don't think so. flaky behavior from a dancer isn't exactly a uncommon occurrence in a sc.
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    She was probably just upset that he low-balled her or something.
    A fat chick is like a big, warm, comfortable pillow that you can also have sex with....

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    Quote Originally Posted by merely lurking link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16104#msg16104 date=1071714254
    She was probably just upset that he low-balled her or something.
    Dancers tell me it's the highball offers that hurt the most, like when guys who have the money offer $1-2K. Those offers test moral edges and are hard to forget.

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    $1-2k is not a high offer for sex acts. I've been offered the same for a mere glimpse of my kitty.

    MrP, if I am to understand this, I am now flaky because I won't roll over and take it when I am insulted in public. The mysogyny implicit is quite breathtaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16110#msg16110 date=1071729676
    MrP, if I am to understand this, I am now flaky because I won't roll over and take it when I am insulted in public. The mysogyny implicit is quite breathtaking.
    you know what? you're right. my message isn't quite clear. i will edit my post and correct this immediately before i earn a few more negative karma points for that boo-boo .

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16110#msg16110 date=1071729676
    $1-2k is not a high offer for sex acts. I've been offered the same for a mere glimpse of my kitty.
    really? so what's the average rate in your town for "sex acts"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SW2 link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16108#msg16108 date=1071722332
    Dancers tell me it's the highball offers that hurt the most, like when guys who have the money offer $1-2K. Those offers test moral edges and are hard to forget.
    $1-2k isn't high at all, especially considering I regularly have guys spending that and more on just dances at my club - and I know other girls at other clubs do as well. If that is a high enough offer to make a girl reconsider her 'moral edges', she must be at a pretty low-earning club, and/or not know how to make money. Also, most guys who offer $1-2k are just testing - they almost always start at a really low number like $200, and keep upping it when I say no.

    As for the asking, well it DOES get old, but I just walk away, unless the guy is getting dances/VIP and is doing the asking during the dance. Some will pay for dances just to hound me the whole time. That is more annoying than those who just ask during the initial conversation - at least if they ask right away I know that is my cue to move on. The girl who vents about it to a customer is just stupid and unprofessional. If she is really that pissed off she should go to the dressing room to vent and chill out rather than dump it on another customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16110#msg16110 date=1071729676
    $1-2k is not a high offer for sex acts. I've been offered the same for a mere glimpse of my kitty.
    Man, I hate it when that happens...guys who do that can really fuck up the POP index in a club.

    POP = Price of Pussy
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    I never thought I’d see the day I was writing in defense of Mr. P. In this case I feel compelled to. While from a dancer’s perspective his post may be insulting, his basic premise is right on the money. As with anything else, there is a right way and a wrong way to do it.

    Sorry about being so blunt and stating the obvious but I must. We’re guys. If we didn’t have the desire to fuck you, you wouldn’t even be getting dances. Sexual attraction is a must and the better you do your job the more our minds go where they shouldn’t. Many times I’ve found myself practically slapping myself to remind me that what happened wasn’t real. Guys always want more than what they are getting and what they can’t have. As stated before, this is genetic. It’s how we are wired and has nothing to do with men being pigs. We obey the rules to get what is available. Asking for things properly, you both laugh and move on. It doesn’t affect the quality of the dances and causes no tension. Over time, the dances gradually improve to the point you are at least getting minor extras from DDE girls. In fact it can eventually lead to being offered in room privates. Done properly, no offense is taken and you don’t make an ass of yourself. Done improperly, the dancers will respond as Lilith and Bridgette. It only hurts to ask when you don’t do it right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aggieed link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16120#msg16120 date=1071762221
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16110#msg16110 date=1071729676
    $1-2k is not a high offer for sex acts. I've been offered the same for a mere glimpse of my kitty.
    Man, I hate it when that happens...guys who do that can really fuck up the POP index in a club.

    POP = Price of Pussy
    Plus with the DJIA back above 10,000, the Russell 2000 & NASDAQ approaching a 40% return this year, and a stabalizing job market, we can expect a rising POP index as we close out the 4th quarter and head into '04.
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    omg, why is it so huge?!! lol lol

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    Lestat, that would make a great signature.

    Fish~
    You are dead on the money. Between reading both our posts, the key phrases would be "Asking for things properly" and "insult them back." While I agree that strippers need to keep a man's motivation for sex in mind, men also need to keep in mind that we are women. In this society, sex is among the most precious part of ourselves that we can offer. Asking improperly is an insult. Insulting a woman in possession of a spine will warrant return fire. It all has to do with amount offered in context of service requested and how long and amicably we have known each other. The guy who asked me for a glimpse in exchange for $1k did not offend me. I turned him down, but did not feel slighted. If he had been a regular instead of someone I had just met, I might even have taken him up on that offer in the privacy of VIP. Maybe. It was a fair sum, IMO, at $400 but the risk of losing my job wasn't worth it.

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    Glad we agree Lilith! I always treat my favs with respect and don't overstep their bounds. If I make requests, they tend to fit into whatever conversation is taking place or what they are doing. Most of the time I know what the response will be and it's good for a laugh. Other times, I've ended up very happy that I spoke up because she was in a "giving mood."

    Lestat, that is too funny! You may want to amend it. I hear in flyover country the POP index is 3-5 small.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aggieed link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16120#msg16120 date=1071762221
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16110#msg16110 date=1071729676
    $1-2k is not a high offer for sex acts. I've been offered the same for a mere glimpse of my kitty.
    Man, I hate it when that happens...guys who do that can really fuck up the POP index in a club.

    POP = Price of Pussy
    sure, but guys who do that:
    (1)let the little head do the thinking for the big head.
    (2)didn't do his homework and a stripper cognizant of his ignorance, quotes him some ridiculous amount and possibly takes futher advantage by either upselling him or outright R.O.B.-ing him. usually, when guys find out that they really overpaid, they get a major case of buyer's remorse.


    on the flip side: when a stripper who claims she doesn't do extras, but states, "a customer offered me ____(insert the GNP for a small country here ) for xxx." that just tells me she has no real clue, just an imprecise idea. a offer is just that, an offer. it doesn't mean that the guy is going to pay it and since she isn't accepting (or so she claims) as far as i am concerned, it's all academic.
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    Guys I think most of us understand very well (well at least some of us do) that y'all always want sex and that is always present in your minds on some level. Of course there's a wrong way to go about it - the guy who asks once during the initial conversation doesn't really bother me because I know that is my cue to end the conversation, wish him a good night and walk away. Nor does the guy who asks me once while I'm dancing for him, and lets it go the first time I say no. However, I often have guys actually follow me around after I've said no and moved on, or they approach me for dances, pay, and then start hounding non-stop the whole time I'm dancing. Some will even pay for more dances and continue the hounding. That is not cool and definitely gets in the way of my ability to provide a good dance. Hell, I had a guy the other night take me to VIP just to continually hound no matter how many times I said no. Him: How about we go back to the Ritz Carlton in a few minutes? Me: I'm not allowed to leave work early, no exceptions. Him: I'll pay the manager, where is he? Me: He won't go for it, and I don't go out anyway. Him: Oh, how much do you want? Me: Nothing, I don't go out. Him: Oh I'll treat you like a queen, we can go where ever you want and do whatever you want. Me: No hun, I don't go out. And then he started repeating the same lines, sometimes in different order, and continued to do so during the whole half-hour he'd paid for. When time was up, he paid for ANOTHER half hour, and did the same thing. I spent the whole time doing very little dancing and saying the same thing over and over. Of course I can't get too riled, since I look at it like, he must have wanted to pay for me to tell him no - he was even going to go for another round but his cc was maxed!

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    Your hyperbole is truly stunning. Remind us flaky clueless strippers again, which country is it that has a GNP of $1k?

    Oddly enough, Merely_Lurking can violently disagree with me on all points and push every button I possess, yet I like him anyways. Some guy comes along trying to do the same button pushing (or so he claims) and yet comes across as a mere shadow of ML... a bitter, petty shadow wondering how often he can implicitly refer to posters as worthless whores and hide it behind "button pushing".

    I'm going to go give ML good karma... just for shits and giggles.
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    Lilith, LMAO! Right on.

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    mr_punk thinks to himself: geez,did i forget to mail out the alimony checks this month?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16175#msg16175 date=1071792751
    Your hyperbole is truly stunning. Remind us flaky clueless strippers again, which country is it that has a GNP of $1k?
    uh-oh, it looks like i was done in by the damn little sarcastic elf again . i'll go back and insert one to make it easier. keep in mind, the dollar amount is an imaginary sum, it's not really an exact fiqure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16175#msg16175 date=1071792751
    Oddly enough, Merely_Lurking can violently disagree with me on all points and push every button I possess, yet I like him anyways. Some guy comes along trying to do the same button pushing (or so he claims) and yet comes across as a mere shadow of ML... a bitter, petty shadow wondering how often he can implicitly refer to posters as worthless whores and hide it behind "button pushing".
    some guy? are you referring to me? if so, here's my reply:
    ah, the classy ad hominem and the abusive form, no less . it's easily distinguished when a individual criticizes the person rather than make an logical argument. in short, it's long on fallacy, but comes up a bit short on the logic side. anyway, push your buttons? how? by pointing out the contradiction in your previous remarks? it sounds like a personal problem rather than one based on factual merit to me. also, where did i imply that a specific poster was a "worthless whore"? i have no idea who or who isn't a whore on this board. show me and i'll go back and edit my remarks. otherwise, i never held my tounge in the past with any other poster, so what makes you think i would do so now?
    if you're not referring to me. i would like a karma point please .


    Quote Originally Posted by Lilith link=board=1;threadid=1079;start=msg16175#msg16175 date=1071792751
    I'm going to go give ML good karma... just for shits and giggles.
    so, i guess karma points for myself is out of the question ? see, i didn't forget the elf this time for easy reading.
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