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    Does anyone here feel that you can become too high maintenance for your ATF, that there is a point of diminishing return at work here for them also? I know we as SCJ's don't want to believe this is possible but I think there may be instances where our $$$ may not be worth the hassle to some dancers. Any thoughts?

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    No question about it RH. Of course a customer can become "too high maintenance." The point at which that happens would vary tremendously. What pecentage of a dancer's income a customer accounts for, how much fun they are and how much time /attention they require would be the determining factors I'm sure.
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    The idea that we, as customers, get too high maintenace is interesting. If we think of overselves as truly being "junkies" and we are addicted to our ATF's, then following an addictions model we could say that the law of diminishing returns applies. We need increasing amounts to maintain the same effect. Maybe we start to want move attention from the dancer, who then sees us as high maintenance.

    Either that or the dancer realizes the hook in place and she starts taking you for granted and doesn't pay much attention to you anymore.
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    I think we can become high maintenance if were not careful. Its easy to get into the mode of wanting to sit and talk with her as the line between "customer/dancer" and "friends" begin to blur. Time can slip by quickly. I know I have to remind myself from time to time to keep the cash flowing. Im not trying to get out of spending...I just forget. Fish's approach of buying out his fav's shift eliminates this issue.

    The potential for emtional high maintenance crops up as well. Many of us want the experience to be close to GFE. Guys being the territorial animals that we, can become quite possesive. An ATF may like this to a point just as we sort of like it when she wants us to dance only with her. Its a constant struggle to find and maintain the balance.

    Ive seen some posts by the ladies alluding to this topic. I agree that their comments would be most interesting.

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    I have a fav who had a regular of her's bring her flowers once. This would have been a sweet gesture accept for the fact that he presented her with the flowers while she was dancing for another customer. No matter how close we seem to be with our favs or ATF's we as customers can't lose sight of the fact that the ladies are there to earn-all day or all night. If you start putting a crimp in your fav's ability to earn you will wind up on the top of her "ignore" list faster than you can say "HEY, I THOUGHT YOU ONLY DID THAT FOR ME!"
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    How can a customer be high maintenance? What do dancers pay to customers to keep them as customers? They are the service providers not the consumer.

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    But if you have to kiss to much ass, the customer may not be worth the money they spend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head link=board=1;threadid=1099;start=msg16361#msg16361 date=1072061803
    Does anyone here feel that you can become too high maintenance for your ATF, that there is a point of diminishing return at work here for them also?
    ideally, stripping is all about time (and effort in some cases) vs money. there are other factors, but this is probably the most compelling,IMO. the customer has a lot more power than he realizes, if he stops letting the little head do his thinking for him. there is no need to be in awe of a dancer or go hat-in-hand because she takes her clothes off for a living. personally,i believe dancers have to earn my money. i have no problems paying a dancer what she expects in dances, tips, for going the extra mile, etc as long as she performs up to my expectations. so far, they seem to have no problems accepting my money.

    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head link=board=1;threadid=1099;start=msg16361#msg16361 date=1072061803
    I know we as SCJ's don't want to believe this is possible but I think there may be instances where our $$$ may not be worth the hassle to some dancers.
    sure. i think it's possible. i have no idea how often it occurs. there are just too many variables for me list or consider. i think i'll just leave it at the ubiquitous "YMMV".
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    I'm a high maintenance customer. For various reasons I'm a near impossible "sell" on the fantasy aspect (very inclined towards disbelief), but I still want her to try and succeed in making me believe the fantasy. I hate doing the approaching but I usually appear rather unapproachable myself. I say "no thanks" for hours while I try mini-laps from each girl and take my time deciding who I want to buy dances from before finally saying: "yes." I don't like the heavy grinders and prefer a very sensual dancer (IMO it takes more skill to do well). I'm also very quiet and most dancers give up on a conversation with me in 30 to 60 seconds.

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    There is definitely a line customers cross between being good regulars and being too much hassle for the money. It usually happens when they expect more free time for the same money, or the same amount of time for less money.

    In the former case, it is perfectly cool for me to spend a little extra free time with a regular before seeing the $$, as long as the $$ is the same not less, and as long as it's not interfering with my ability to make money elsewhere - ie, causing my average for the night he comes in to drop. For example: Joe Reg likes to come in every Friday and spend two sessions in VIP with me, but before heading up, we spend some time just chatting and having a good time on the main floor - no extra $$. He usually buys a medium-priced champagne in VIP, which means my take for the little over an hour we'll spend in there will be $270 after funny money fees are deducted. I know I can expect to make that $270 every time he comes in, so I have no problem spending a little extra free time with him beforehand. However, Joe Reg begins to expect more and more free time before going up to VIP, and I have to turn away other customers in order to hang with him. Up to a point, that is ok. But when he begins to expect me to hang with him for more than 30 minutes before spending money, without spending anymore than usual, it becomes too much time for the money and not worth it. Other customers are asking for me, and I can't just continue giving him all that time when I could be making money. At that point, I will go and say hi to him when I see him, but he is dropped from my list of regulars and I will no longer spend any time/effort on him.

    In the case of the latter, if a regular starts spending less money for the same amount of time, I drop him immediately because, from experience, I know that guy will continue to spend less and less but still expect the same amount of time from me. There is no way I can win in that situation, so time to move on. He can start over with another girl.

    Along these lines, I read alot from guys here about how they drop their faves for various reasons, how they see her as no longer doing enough for his money, or how they see her as doing less for his money. I think that it is entirely possible that rather than HER being the one who is initially at fault, it is the customer who begins to need/want/expect/demand more for the money and he simply gets frustrated when the dancer doesn't cross the lines he wants her to cross. As someone else stated, if you are hooked on a girl, it makes sense that you will need more from her to get the same feeling as in the beginning, and unless you're spending more money to balance what you're needing her to do for you, she will begin to see you as a hassle and as a result your time with her will be less enjoyable for both. This is why I just drop the regs rather than try to hang on when the returns begin to diminish, because I know it's all downhill from there, and I don't have time to waste. IMO, the girls who try to hang on are making a big mistake. Not only do they wind up losing money because they could be working elsewhere, but they wind up leaving the customer with a bad taste in his mouth by letting the relationship sour to the point where he decides to dump her. If the girl is the one who does the dumping (in an appropriate way), the guy is left with a bit better memories of her, because she didn't become the stripper who quit doing anything for him, and he will be more likely to come back later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 link=board=1;threadid=1099;start=msg16402#msg16402 date=1072124480
    I'm a high maintenance customer. For various reasons I'm a near impossible "sell" on the fantasy aspect (very inclined towards disbelief), but I still want her to try and succeed in making me believe the fantasy. I hate doing the approaching but I usually appear rather unapproachable myself. I say "no thanks" for hours while I try mini-laps from each girl and take my time deciding who I want to buy dances from before finally saying: "yes." I don't like the heavy grinders and prefer a very sensual dancer (IMO it takes more skill to do well). I'm also very quiet and most dancers give up on a conversation with me in 30 to 60 seconds.

    -lestat1 (HMC)
    I cannot imagine why girls give up that quickly - a minute or less is barely enough time to say hi. Hardly enough to see if a guy might be interested in spending money. I think the girls you're dealing with are just not very good....

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    I have one customer who I'll call a regular that I would class as HM (High Maintenance).

    He is like example no. 1 of Brigette's first post... He expects me to hang with him ALOT however doesn't spend alot of money. The ROI ("investment" is free time with him) isn't that great anymore. Not only that... he is starting to push the boundaries of the rules in the lap dance. He is going to get me in trouble if he pushed the rules anymore.

    Due to how he's starting to be HM... I am spending a little less time socialising with him "for free". I want him to realise that I am AT WORK. I will provide a GFE as much as I possibly can within the club with him however I can't stay with him every free minute I have...


    I'm just going to have to see if he is going to become every increasingly HM or not. Then I will know whether to try and have him "move on" to another dancer.... which is going to be interesting to do since he seems do "hooked" on me.


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    Vee, sounds like he's already gotten to be more hassle than he's worth. I'd move on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber76 link=board=1;threadid=1099;start=msg16404#msg16404 date=1072127335
    I am past the point of calling this guy a high maintanace customer as he's entered the land of stalkerism! lol
    Damn, you must be good . Yeah I think he's beyond high maintenance.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber76 link=board=1;threadid=1099;start=msg16404#msg16404 date=1072127335

    He became obsessed and one night continuously asked me out for breakfast after I got done with work. I refused politely in the beginning and had to become more stern and eventually rude because he just wasn't taking no as an answer. When I got out of work that night, the bouncer went to walk me to my truck and guess who's sitting in his car right next to mine? Yup... my new stalker! I turned around and hightailed it back into the club. The bouncer went to him and asked him to leave, he argued with them for a while... told them he was waiting for me and we were suppossed to be going out. They told him he had to leave or they'd call the cops. He pulled out of the parking lot... onto the street and then parked on the curb. The bouncers again went over and told him to leave.. he said he wasn't on club property so they couldn't make him. Again, they said they'd call the cops. Finally after some arguing he drove away. I waited for about 5 minutes and then went to get into my truck only to see this guy drive past the club. I ducked in my truck hoping he didn't see that I was in it. He turned around, drove by again and turned down another road. I jumped out of my truck again and ran back into the club. I was truely afraid by this point. It seemed as though this guy had gone psycho and wasn't giving up easy. He pulled by the club again. Finally, after not seeing him drive by for about 10 minutes, a bouncer followed me home (it's an hour drive) to make sure I was safe!
    That's scary. Be careful Amber

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=1;threadid=1099;start=msg16395#msg16395 date=1072122416
    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head link=board=1;threadid=1099;start=msg16361#msg16361 date=1072061803
    Does anyone here feel that you can become too high maintenance for your ATF, that there is a point of diminishing return at work here for them also?
    ideally, stripping is all about time (and effort in some cases) vs money. there are other factors, but this is probably the most compelling,IMO. the customer has a lot more power than he realizes, if he stops letting the little head do his thinking for him. there is no need to be in awe of a dancer or go hat-in-hand because she takes her clothes off for a living. personally,i believe dancers have to earn my money. i have no problems paying a dancer what she expects in dances, tips, for going the extra mile, etc as long as she performs up to my expectations. so far, they seem to have no problems accepting my money.

    I'm curious - do you ever pay up front ? Have you ever not paid what you agreed to because you were disapointed ?

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    i think i mentioned this on another thread....i'll pay up front, but only for 2 or 3 dances (depending on my mood) for a dancer who has never danced for me. if the dances aren't getting better by the second or third dance. chances are they never will and i take my money elsewhere. i'll never understand why some guys keep feeding the meter in the hopes that the dances will get better.
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    Hey Mr-Punk, I give a great dance the first time, that is why guys keep buying more from me.

    I'd also like to say that I don't have any "regulars". I have faces I recognize and will usually spend money on dances, but none that I rely on for a certain percentage of income on any given shift. So if one of my "regulars" doesn't make it in on his normal night I don't have to worry about not making any money. This just seems like smart business practices to not put all of your eggs in one basket and to have a wide variety of income sources so that you are not dependeant on just one or two big spending clients.

    I think many sales people work way too hard trying to land that Big Account, while I'm out there scooping up all the small sales and creating large amounts of repeat business on a small scale. Sure one girl has a guy come in and spend $300 on her every Wednesday. She blocks out about half her shift just to spend time w/him. I have 10 customers come in and spend 10 minutes each with them, get 1 dance each, plus maybe another $10-20 in stage tips from each in the same half shift. I have earned as much if not more then the other dancer and I have also made myself more valuable to the club by keeping more of their customers around for a longer period of time. I also have had time to meet new customers in the time not being spent with my regular. I get around to everyone and no one can call me a snob or say that the girls just don't come around enough or whatever customers say when they are lacking for attention.

    I know that some guys really want that GFE, so I am not your kind of dancer. I do give a good lap dance and I will take care of you while you are in the club. I am even open to fetching the kind of girl you want if I just don't do it for you. I Just want you guys to keep coming back and spending money in the club, so I can continue to have a job. WHo knows maybe you will say something nice about the club off handedly to someone who turns out to be a big spender on me later!


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    Paris, sounds like you have a good strategy. Im a GFE kind of guy so we probably wouldnt click but I appreciate your viewpoint. Im not hi maintenace just a hi spender on the right ladies LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by ParisLove link=board=1;threadid=1099;start=msg16804#msg16804 date=1072835228
    Hey Mr-Punk, I give a great dance the first time, that is why guys keep buying more from me.
    I know that some guys really want that GFE, so I am not your kind of dancer. I do give a good lap dance and I will take care of you while you are in the club.
    GFE? has that acronym been co-opted by the sc subculture? that acronym has been so overused and expanded so much over the years that it pretty much has lost all meaning. if you give as good of a lap as you say you do, i would still buy dances from you. at a minimum, that's all i expect from any dancer. unless, it's an air dance.
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