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    Default Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    I shouldn't take these things too seriously, (actually I'm not) but I think some of our more statistically minded members might find this topic of interest.

    I was checking the recent reviews on TUSCL and noticed that a couple of guys had reviewed a club that I went to in Oklahoma City. I wrote a review of it just last week, I had a great time with a gal there and gave the place a '9', and noticed that two other guys had reviewed it since. Considering that this was OKC (not exactly an adult entertainment hotbed), and considering that prior to my review, the club was averaging less than one review a month, I found that to be rather peculiar.

    Unbeknownst to me, my '9' review had apparently gave the club some attention by bumping it up onto the Top 40 list. Apparently a couple of guys couldn't stand for that and gave the club a '4' and a '2'. A two ! Needless to say, its not on the Top 40 list anymore.

    Let me show you the review of the guy who gave it a '4'.

    Naw, I can't allow this. Covergirls in OKC shouldn't be on this list guys. I've been here. The beer is very cheap compared to most clubs, the girls are hot, the food...well I've never eaten here so I couldn't tell you. But as for the dances it's lame compared to other states like Michigan.
    Now, should one give a sarcastic review of a club in another state because the laws where that club is located prohibit the kind of mileage that he's used to at home. Seems like comparing apples and oranges to me. Besides that, I'd think a '6' would be more befitting the context of the review, but hey just my opinion.

    Sure its just mathematics, and its just a freaking review. But I think TUSCL seriously needs to tweak their rating formula for clubs a little bit (or just get rid of it like stripclublist did). My suggestions for them:

    - Use a median value instead of an average, or incorporate a formula that weeds out outlying scores. By just using a plain old average, a couple of overly sarcastic (or overly glowing) reviews can really throw things for a club with only ten or so reviews.

    - When the same user reviews the same club more than once, take an average of the ratings they've submitted and use that average as one score, or better yet use only the most recently submitted rating. Which would give you a better idea of how Club X is? A review that I submitted last week or one from last year.

    - Don't make a club eligible for the Top or Bottom lists until it has reviews from at least 15 unique users. No more of this eight reviews from anybody and you're eligible BS.

    Okay I'll shut up now. Now that I've aired my grievance about this, I think that I'll go fix the seller ratings on eBay, and the BCS computer formula so we don't have to endure another split national title ever again.

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    LOL doc I was looking thru that site recently and thinking the same thing. A couple of my favorite clubs (which really are the nicest and biggest in town) scored lower than some REAL dives, the difference, the dives had 1-2 reviews (probably bogus ones at that) while my favorite clubs had 15-20 reviews. A little common sense would seem to tell anyone that a club getting 15-20 reviews would be a better club than one getting 1-2 reviews regardless of the ratings they got. I think they shouldn't even post a rating until X amount of reviews have been received (maybe 15-20). Hmmm, we really are putting in way too much thought to this aren't we?.

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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    At this very moment I'm devising a routine for our new rating system...very timly post - i'll see what i can make of your suggestions here.

    Edit -> Now that I've done some work and played with several values, I've come up with a formula that makes use of the median and mean to come up with what I consider the most fair value. With this combination the most common value still pulls weight, but values that are far from "average" have less of an effect.

    I decided not to limit all of one posters vote to count as one or take an average of their votes, as we are trying to convey the "average" experience one can expect. Per person the experience can vary - so I want to allow for that.

    BUT each rating must accompany a review and the rating is displayed with its review. So if someone just makes a retarted vote or two not much will change. If they're trying to hammer the ratings to change a score, it should be easily noticable (and reportable to me ).

    Finally, we won't allow clubs into the top/bottom lists until they've recieved x unique reviewers (I havn't decide what x should be...5, 8, 10...I'll know better when things are running).
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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    As a alternative view, why would you accurately report your favorite club? Raising its visibility with LE and/or visitors may not be smart.

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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=1;threadid=1137;start=msg17216#msg17216 date=1073442656
    Now, should one give a sarcastic review of a club in another state because the laws where that club is located prohibit the kind of mileage that he's used to at home. Seems like comparing apples and oranges to me. Besides that, I'd think a '6' would be more befitting the context of the review, but hey just my opinion.
    to answer your question, yes. which is probably why, you take TUSCL scores with a grain of salt. i always do and the same goes for the comments on SCL. in fact, i think both sites suck. however, i don't think the problem is with the scores (which is completely subjective anyway), but with the lack of data available to the reader to make an informed decision. for example, each club on TUSCL & SCL has a profile (containing objective information) for each club. the profile contains such info as prices of dances, level of nudity, cover charge, dinner or lunch menu, etc.

    i think the information in the profile should be expanded to include other infomation such as,type of dances (air dance, one way, or two way) and the type of contact (none, limited contact or full contact). hopefully, the reader can who recieves a different type of dance in his area, won't be in for a shock if he visits the club and his expectations won't be so high, either. also, if a reader gives an air dance club a low score because he thought the dances were lame compared to the higher level of contact at another club. the reader can evaluate the context of his statement in the comment section or by looking at his other sc reviews.

    if you want to give an objective score to a club. i would suggest expanding it to two criteria, Performance (quality of dances) and Appearance( overall appearance of dancers). just for kicks, you could also limit the highest possible performance score to say an 8 for an air dance. scores of 9-10 would be reserved to one-way or two way contact clubs. i think clubs that have a higher level of contact should be reflected in the potential score . that's just my opinion. finally, as i mentioned before, the overall problem with scores is that they are completely objective and shouldn't be taken too seriously. in doc-catfish's case, a couple of reviewers dropped the score of a club because of expectations. keep in mind, the reverse could have easily happened. you can also raise the score of a club because of couple "grade inflated" reviews by a couple of fans of the club.
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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    Anybody posting anything, anywhere, at anytime has some sort of an agenda and TUSCL is no different. It would be nice if guys didn't flame dancers who won't go out with them on the web but they do. It would be even nicer if dancers didin't flame other dancers because they are jealous-but they do. It would be great if owners and employees of clubs didn't plant bougus posts or reviews about their competition but it happens. You name it, we get em' all on the internet. The strip club sights in particular attract all sorts of folks with axes to grind.

    I look at TUSCL as a nother form of entertainment-my experience has been that what gets posted bears little resemblance to what is actualy going on in a strip club.
    I think the only reliable way to find out anything beyond basic contact rules and such is to check out a club for yourself.
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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    One of my favorite clubs is a showbar and it consistently gets
    highly variable ratings from 9's (me) to 3's. Opinions certainly do vary but by common agreement it is in the top five of all clubs in the market. Also in the market and talking to people
    it is not the top one or two clubs in the market but is either 3 4 or 5 in a 27 club market. What I've noticed is "one club one purpose posters." When you trace the negative posts
    back by autthor... they only have one or at most two clubs
    posted in a year period. I must have done reviews on almost twenty clubs in that same time3 period. I think a summary of all rating psots by author should be included.
    What I have noticed is that the "dive clubs" that are really terrible do seem to be getting correct reviews on TUSCL.
    There are some dive clubs with zero reviews so I view a long established club with zero reviews as probably pretty bad
    or that something is wrong with the market it is in in addition to the club itself. Another suggestion. You should consider sending out your loyal cadre, who are trained in the method
    of rating to do some initial reviews to get it right and screen out the PR flack club comments by owners and management.
    Finally, I took some hits myself on the pink board when I proposed an objective series of criteria for rating a club
    based on physical attributes of the physical plant.
    However if the rating based on these factual verifiable
    critera are off, then the rest of the review on subjective matters is also suspect in my opinioln. Also a good way to cross check basic data on the club in a new database.
    What do you thing for your new club database?

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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    If you check out http://www.stripperweb.com/clubs/ind...r;club_id=2131 you can see the info we ask for to review a club (in fact, we're ready to take reviews if you want to start posting them )

    That should help with the cross-checking. As for sending out a loyal cadre, well, I think there'd be not enough ground covered and too much variety among the reviewers. Maybe one day GF and I will take a world tour of strip clubs (LOL, I can dream right?). But if you want to start reviewing 'em feel free, if you can post, you can review. As mentioned, it's not yet complete but it is functional - http://www.stripperweb.com/clubs (we'll soon have a SCJ version).
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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pryce link=board=1;threadid=1137;start=msg17325#msg17325 date=1073675139
    But if you want to start reviewing 'em feel free, if you can post, you can review. As mentioned, it's not yet complete but it is functional - http://www.stripperweb.com/clubs (we'll soon have a SCJ version).
    The strip club directory looks good (and very comprehensive), thanks for all the effort Pryce & GF. I even added a customer review .

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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    Hey whats going on here? You have a club in Guyana and none in North or South Carolina?
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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    Even though I don't believe in including Puerto Rico as part of the States, I'll probably place reviews myself



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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    Thanks RH - we've litterally been working months on it. Still more work to do, but feel free keep leaving reviews and any comments on the system itself.

    EH, just not done adding clubs, in the US GirlFriday is in the N's, so N. Carolina should be done soon, S. Carolina - hopefully by Mon. or Tues.

    Carlos, what country do you think it should go under? We mostly followed Yahoo's lead: http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/Countr...s/Puerto_Rico/
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    I was pulling your leg Let me know if you need somebody to check out that club in Guyana. Keep up the good work!
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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pryce link=board=1;threadid=1137;start=msg17407#msg17407 date=1073793078
    Carlos, what country do you think it should go under? We mostly followed Yahoo's lead: http://dir.yahoo.com/Regional/Countr...s/Puerto_Rico/
    Well, Pryce, I don't consider myself "dependent" but that's just me It's OK



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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    Pryce,

    Ohio is missing from the US state list. I posted a listing for my club yesterday. Hopefully, it didnt get lost in never never land.

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    Pryce,

    Ohio is missing from the US state list. I posted a listing for my club yesterday. Hopefully, it didnt get lost in never never land.

    FBR

    FBR, that private friday musta been so good you went blind..... lol. or just havne't figured out the alphabet.... M, N, O.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pryce link=board=1;threadid=1137;start=msg17407#msg17407 date=1073793078

    EH, just not done adding clubs, in the US GirlFriday is in the N's, so N. Carolina should be done soon, S. Carolina - hopefully by Mon. or Tues.

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    I did'nt know you could go blind from that too....LMAO
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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=1137;start=msg17435#msg17435 date=1073844493
    Pryce,

    Ohio is missing from the US state list. I posted a listing for my club yesterday. Hopefully, it didnt get lost in never never land.

    FBR

    FBR, that private friday musta been so good you went blind..... lol. or just havne't figured out the alphabet.... M, N, O.


    Quote Originally Posted by Pryce link=board=1;threadid=1137;start=msg17407#msg17407 date=1073793078

    EH, just not done adding clubs, in the US GirlFriday is in the N's, so N. Carolina should be done soon, S. Carolina - hopefully by Mon. or Tues.
    Well Sandy, Pryce must be blind too cause the state list goes as follows:

    New York
    North Carolina
    Puerto Rico
    Virginia

    Last time I checked Ohio should nuzzle nicely between NC and PR LOL Check the link:

    http://www.stripperweb.com/clubs/index.php?country=US

    Just cause we dont have football teams doesnt mean we should be excluded from statehood :o LOL

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    Default Re:Another reason to take the TUSCL rating system with a grain of salt.

    EH you didn't give the clubs you reviewed an overall rating.

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    oops I'll go back Thanks

    I did'nt see that RH we got it now.
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    no football teams? lol, fbr, what about cleveland and cincinatti?


    i know, i know. theres a good handful of states missing. i just couldn't pass up the oportunity to take a jab at ya.

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    Sandy LOl I knew you were f*cking with me LOL

    Well, I suppose the Bengals and Browns qualify LOL

    Cya later in chat maybe

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    Guys don't forget to review you clubs.
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