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    Yesterday I went to the club and didn't plan to stay long, so I didn't bring much cash. But, I'm sure some of you know how it goes. You get in there and just can't make yourself leave. Consequently I ran up a tab with my favorite dancer.

    I told her when I ran out of cash. Being the excellent stripper that she is, she gave me some free lap dances which convinced me to stick around. I promised to pay her tomorrow. So, until then I owe her $330.

    I could have used the club's ATM. But, we were together right up until the end of her shift, and she would have had to wait around a few minutes for me get the bartender run my card through. Plus the club ATM charges a 10% service fee. So, I just gave her my word that I'd pay tomorrow.

    I'm just wondering if any of you other junkies had done anything similar and if so for how much?

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    Default Re:Most you've ever owed a dancer

    I've never left a club owing a dancer money though a few of my favs have offered to let me owe them if I wanted to "keep going". I have left to hit an off-site ATM once or twice rather than pay the high service charges. I usually know who I'm looking for when I go in and have a pretty good idea how much I am going to spend.
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    Never left owing... but I bought out a dancers night once and she told me to pay her at the end of the night Now that's trust
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    Can't say that I ever left owing money to a dancer. Maybe I'm not that much of a PL-SCJ afterall?!

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    Never left owing.
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    This has never happened to me thankfully.

    I always have come with what I've felt was a sufficient amount of cash and a little more in case I get into the spirit of things. I always carry more to out of town clubs because you never know what things are going to be like once you get inside. If things are disapointing or are just cheaper than what I'm used to, I can always save the cash for another night. Only once on my first trip to Bazooka's in KC, did I ever entirely run out of money, and I broke down and used the club ATM.

    In fact that I can't say that I've gone to a SC expecting to spend a small amount of money (at least not since my college days when small was all that I had, and $25 would suffice). Sometimes those little "I'll only be there awhile" trips where you don't intend on spending much turn out to be the dangerous ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck link=board=1;threadid=1141;start=msg17252#msg17252 date=1073512690
    Never left owing... but I bought out a dancers night once and she told me to pay her at the end of the night Now that's trust
    She shouldn't have to tell you that Chuck. That's just how it should be.

    Never left owing unless you consider writing a personal check for 5 small. She didn't deposit it till 4 days later. LOL...now that's trust! I could have put a stop payment in that amount of time.
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    Never left owing, but have written person checks. Went in with what I thought was enough, but....you know how it goes.
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    My very first time at a SC i had like 160 bucks on me.It was my first time and the girl was real cute so every time she asked if i wanted another i said yes.Got to five dances and i told her i only had sixty dollars left so instead of ask ing for a nice tip she kept on dancing three more.I go to pay her and shes like thats one eighty,im like whoa that was only eight songs.She says "no,the next song had started while she was still in front of me".So at this point im thinkin this lil *Bleep* is a hustler.Anyway i owed her twenty,and had eighteen in my wallet.Ended up oweing her two bucks.Funny thing is it was valentines day and she goes "Oh,its ok..that was a free one" ...lol

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    Default Re:Most you've ever owed a dancer

    No, so far Ive been cash and carry.

    Miss L gave the son of my customer/friend Mr D three dances on the promise that "dad" would pay later. This happened at my customer xmas bash. I suppose Miss L figured if he didnt pay off, I would LOL He still hasnt stopped by to pay her. She mentioned it offhandedly the other nite when I was there. Im under no obligation to pay Miss L but I feel bad for her. Im sure the trust element was because of me. If it goes on much longer I'll probably just pay her and then over charge Mr D the cost of the three dances plus 100% interest LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ripley link=board=1;threadid=1132;start=msg17063#msg17063 date=1073167802
    I don't prepay or loan money to dancers; that is just stupid in my opinion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ripley link=board=1;threadid=1141;start=msg17247#msg17247 date=1073507884
    Yesterday I went to the club and didn't plan to stay long, so I didn't bring much cash. But, I'm sure some of you know how it goes. You get in there and just can't make yourself leave. Consequently I ran up a tab with my favorite dancer.
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    So, until then I owe her $330.
    Um, does anybody see a problem here? It's not cool to loan a dancer money on her word that she'll repay it or settle up in dances later, but one might expect a dancer to keep on dancing, knowing you don't have the cash to pay up, and trust you to pay her later? Am I missing something?

    I understand it's one thing if you're a regular she's known for a while, but in that case.... well if you can run a tab with her and expect her to trust you and wait til some other day for payment, then ya gotta be able to trust her to settle up later if she needs you to loan her some cash sometime.

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    I agree, it cuts both ways, you either trust someone or you don't. I think it's risky business for either party involved to get into running tabs or loaning money. At some point, you have to trust your judgement as to how well you really know the other person involved.
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    I was once down to $14 and leaving a club. A nice dancer asked if I wanted one with her before I left. I explained that I had only $14 (dances were $20), and she said, "That's enough for me."... She really got into it, and it was fun to walk out dead broke, at least until I got back to the car, which always has more.... The next time I saw the dancer, I gave her $40 for being so nice.... No, I was not the guy who repaid Amber. There are at least two of our kind.... Yesterday a dancer told me I owed her an old shirt (for PJs). She was right. I had promised her one back in November, but I didn't have a box then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck link=board=1;threadid=1141;start=msg17252#msg17252 date=1073512690
    Never left owing... but I bought out a dancers night once and she told me to pay her at the end of the night Now that's trust
    How does buying out a dancer's night or shift work? Do you pay her for the number of dances she could get during the night or some percentage assuming that she wouldn't be dancing every song? Is it an agreed to flat rate? Is this a common pratice? I am looking for a startegy to ensure more uninterrupted time with a FAV.

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    I must be completely spoiled! I don't consider running a tab as anything out of the ordinary. All the dancers I've done business with have done it. It was established early in my SC days that I always came in for dances and lots of 'em. I was always good for them and word travels.

    In Vegas it would not have surprised me if the girl asked for money up front but she didn't. She did ask why I was in town and I confessed it was to meet up with the ATF for privates. I guess she figured any PL in that deep was safe. LOL.
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    Sporty, I always leave some in the car, sometimes it becomes my "hey, when did you start dancing again" emergency slush fund. My "visor valet" has much lower service charges than any RI club's ATM...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=1;threadid=1141;start=msg17299#msg17299 date=1073559435

    Um, does anybody see a problem here? It's not cool to loan a dancer money on her word that she'll repay it or settle up in dances later, but one might expect a dancer to keep on dancing, knowing you don't have the cash to pay up, and trust you to pay her later? Am I missing something?

    I understand it's one thing if you're a regular she's known for a while, but in that case.... well if you can run a tab with her and expect her to trust you and wait til some other day for payment, then ya gotta be able to trust her to settle up later if she needs you to loan her some cash sometime.

    ok b, heres why i dont think its a double standard(i dont think its fair to the dancer, and she'd be somewhat stupid to do this, but there is a difference.....)

    to loan a dancer money, means that she needs cash NOW! in otherwords, even though she recieves her income in the form of immediate cash, she clearly is demonstrating that she is not financially responsable. However, it is unknown as to the customers financial stability. in these cases, where the dancer is allowing the customer to run the tab, its not that he is in NEED of the money at the moment, just that perhaps he didn't plan to spend as much and therefor didn't bring it. he may be unreliable or he may very well be reliable, we dont know.


    for the second point im going to create a lame scenario. ok, dancer needs a loan of $200......

    if the customer loans $200 his potential loss is $200(to someone that stated above is a high credit risk...
    If the customer runs up a $200 dance tab, the girl is out(for the club i go to most, $25 dance, $5 of which is house fee) $200/$25 = 8 songs * $5house/song = $40. on a two hundred dollar tab shes out max $40 + her effort(intangible) and opportunity cost of making money doing dances for someone else....... but really only $40 real out of pocket.

    thats the main difference. its a real cost versus (shit, whats the term?) an accounting/paper cost.


    do i think its ok for guys to get dances without telling the girl he can't cover it? HELL NO! do i think its smart for girls to allow guys to run up tabs that he'll pay off on a later visit? HELL NO(unless its an established reg).


    does this make sense? there is a definate difference between a dancer-loan and a customer dance-tab.

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    You're assuming the reason the dancer needs money now is her irresponsibility. As we all know sometimes things happen that we cannot control. Not all people who need money NOW are irresponsible.

    Second, every song a girl dances for a guy without getting paid she could have been dancing for someone else who pays. Opportunity cost is a very REAL cost.

    Third, many customers will try that 'tab' thing just to get free dances with no intention of ever paying. What makes one customer any different in a stripper's eyes? Like ripley said, both parties have to use their judgment. If it's not someone I know, I'm not running a tab for a guy. Period. Even then I'll be damn careful about it. And I'd have to know the guy REALLY well to even consider letting him pay another day. Of course, I have NEVER asked a customer for money (loan) and NEVER will.

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    First of all, needing to borrow money does not make a dancer financialy irresponsible. On the two occasions that I've done it, it was to a woman working 6 shifts a week to help her family (please, no posts about dancers making up stories, this isn't tuscl).
    Secondly, a dancer provides a service-just as anyone -doctor, lawyer, electrician, plumber etc, etc.does. Anyone who charges for thier services by the day, by the hour, or by the dance will argue with you that the service they provide is not anymore intangible than the bills they have to pay or the food they have to put on the table.

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    anyone who NEEDS to borrow cash is financially irresponsable(or at the least a very high credit risk). this is indipendant of they're profession. if someone wants to borrow for an investment, thats a different story.

    we're all assuming that if shes not dancing for customer X, she'll automatically have a customer filling his shoes....why then do we read on SW about slow days and how to hustle and get customers. clearly not everyone is giving dances from the second they walk in the door til the second they leave. plus by providing credit to a customer(which is what we're talking about) it may lead to future business.....whereas, whats lending a dancer money going to get the guy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=1;threadid=1141;start=msg17322#msg17322 date=1073658500
    .....whereas, whats lending a dancer money going to get the guy?
    Broke and/or a headache...or was that a rhetorical question?
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    But there are <A TITLE="Click for more information about loan" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||loan|AA1VDw">loan</A>s and then there are loans. I can think of numerous scenarios that, while I wouldn&#039;t do them myself, I would not consider to be reflective of the dancer&#039;s character or spending habits. I think Sandy&#039;s point hinges on "need" (desperately need) and the amount involved. Yes, if a dancer was in dire need of $200 immediately then I would question her spending habits. That sum is only one night&#039;s worth of work for most of us, so why would you be so desperate for a small sum that you would ask a customer for it? Sandy makes a good point that in a cash business such as this, there is little need for a loan that small without suspecting irresponsibility. **Edited to add: Yet even here I can think of a responsible reason for a small loan. A co-worker&#039;s house burned down this Christmas with everything she owned it in, including her three pets. She had nothing and was even borrowing work clothes and equipment until she could afford to buy her own. A customer of hers found out, so I hear, and gave her a good bit so that she could buy herself some regular clothes, as she had only what she was wearing at the time of the fire.

    On the other hand, if a dancer was in desperate need of $1500 then that is more understandable. Something unforeseen might have eaten her savings away or perhaps it is the off season and something big and immediate came up (transmission blew out right after recovering from a two-week bout with bronchitus kept her out of work). That sum is a good to excellent week&#039;s worth of income and there are reasons that a responsible dancer may not happen to have that much in liquid assets. I&#039;ve also heard stories of customer loaning large sums for specific reasons, such as the <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A> dealer customer who arranges a car for a dancer (pal or ATF) or the UberRegular who pays for a boob <A TITLE="Click for more information about job" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||job|AA1VDw">job</A> on promise of repayment.

    The key here would be, as in everything, caveat emptor. Use your judgement wisely whether you&#039;re a stripper or a customer. I&#039;ve been stiffed by a regular so I wouldn&#039;t say that either side has the exclusive claim of reliability.
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    Thank you Lilith. I&#039;ve never heard of a dancer needing to BORROW a couple hundred. I have heard of them needing to BORROW a couple thousand. I have seen and heard of many girls who hustle telling guys they need $150 before their power gets cut off, but they are not asking for a loan, they are just asking for the money or that amount in dances.

    Sandy, maybe you come from a well-off family....maybe in your world no one NEEDS to borrow money, but in the rest of the world (ie, the majority) people are on tight budgets and occasionally have unforseen problems and NEED to borrow money, regardless of how responsible they may be. Also you should factor in the reality that you are rather young and inexperienced, and I&#039;m willing to bet you don&#039;t have to totally rely on YOURSELF to make ends meet. Try doing it without the help of ANYONE else for a while, and see if you don&#039;t find yourself in need of some quick cash at some point. There are a million and one scenarios for why a dancer may need to borrow money, that don&#039;t reflect on her level of responsibility - or someone in any other profession for that matter.

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    AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!! but, someone who NEEDS to borrow money is a HIGHER credit risk than someone who doesn&#039;t. listen, ive loaned friends money, and i almost never expect to get it back. and honestly, i usually dont. because they aren&#039;t borrowing it for capital expenditures, but to cover living expenses. see the difference? i dont give a shit if its a dancer or an accountant. if you really need to borrow money right quick, you&#039;re a huge risk. try going to a bank and say, I NEED $1000 to pay my XXXXX bill. see what they tell you. this is where im coming from.

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    Most americans, dancer or otherwise, are one or two paychecks away from starvation. God bless anyone who has 3 months salary in the bank but it&#039;s not many of us.

    I wouldn&#039;t expect any bank to give an unsecured loan to a person who needs a couple of thousand dollars for a few weeks or months-simply because they won&#039;t make any money off of a loan like that.

    Borrowing or loaning money between friends - or aquaintances - is a personal decision between the two people involved. I don&#039;t make it a habit, but my track record is pretty good. As I previosly stated, you either trust someone or you don&#039;t. I don&#039;t call TRW when making my decision.
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