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    i met this dancer at the sc a couple of days ago. she was a new dancer at the club with previous experience from another club in another state known for it's mileage. during the conversation, she mentioned that she tried another club, but it was boring and in her view, "those girls didn't do anything.". cha-ching. so, i bought a dance to see if she could walk the talk. she could and i ended up buying a lot more dances. on the way home, i thought the nature of extras in a sc and why they will never leave until the industry itself dies.

    1)the sc isn't the place for extras.

    why not? you know, there really isn't a DMZ between stripping and other parts of the sex industry. the sc industry never really lived in a vacumn removed from the rest of the industry. that was just a marketing gimmick to make it more palatable for the schlubs who go to the club and as a hedge against possible unintended consequences. no, the industry made it's bed long ago. i pretty much outlined some of my views of the industry here.

    2)extras put the other dancers at risk for getting busted.

    yes and so does the industry itself. any customer who has greased the palm of a club manager or bouncer, to pretend the customer is invisible for the next 30 minutes, knows that the industy isn't always so concered with risk. frankly, if strippers are so concered about risk. why aren't they leaving the industy in droves for jobs at Costco? why aren't more clubs complaing about having a hard time finding dancers? or is the risk worth the reward?

    3) extras put more pressure on the other dancers to perform them.

    supposedly, the theory works like this: one customer sees one girl performing extras and wants the same treatment. so what? most customers notice that dancers usually become a little friendlier or smile and laugh a little more, when a customer decides to spend more money. in any case, the customer seeking extras was never her customer in the first place. no more than the dancer, who can't deliver to the guy who is seeking good conversation or the guy who just wants a good grind.

    4)those dancers don't belong in a sc. dancers only dance.

    what does that exactly mean? no matter, that's hardly the case, the system really isn't set up for dancers alone. did you know police departments often give their police officers (ie - in the case of a shooting) and candidates psychological evaluations. the test is far from perfect. however, it can identify candidates who are most likely to be suited for the position and weed out the undesirable (and probably the more obvious) candidates or officers unfit for duty. ultimately, the test can't tell you, if the officer will turn out to be: a good cop, a bad cop, a lazy cop waiting on retirement or a cop that would rather rip and run the streets and crack heads rather than "to serve and protect". it also can't identify those who may succumb to alcoholism and suicide. a high incidence of both is not uncommon in many departments. my only point is that, IMHO, there is often a correlation between occupations and the type of people, that gravitate to that occupation.

    the sc indusrty (and sex work in general) has always had an "outlaw" aura about itself that will attract a certain group of women. furthermore, exposure to the industry itself may open other doors or those doors may be opened wider. in the end, the exact nature of those traits (e.g. flakiness) really doesn't matter because those problems affect other parts of the sex industry. i once stated, the only thing that separates a stripper from a civilian is not her looks, it's not her personality and it's not her dancing ability. ultimately, it's her willingness to take off her clothes and perform for strange men for money. however, if this considered the only "suitable" trait for a stripper and the aura of the industry attracts a certain type of woman. might not that attraction draw the "unsuitable" candidates", as well?

    YES!!!!!!! fortunately, that trait isn't limited to strippers nor is that trait, the only suitable trait for sex work in general. what if you have a dancer that has an additional trait(s) as well? such as, a stripper who has traits also suitable for porn. a stripper who has traits also suitable for escort work? what if a stripper does't want to be filmed on tape nor meet strangers alone in an unsecure location and yet doesn't mind having sex with men for money in a sc. there's bound to be a percentage of these women attracted to the sex industry and a number of them working in the sc industry, as well. at least, that's what i noticed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21143#msg21143 date=1080421280

    3) extras put more pressure on the other dancers to perform them.

    supposedly, the theory works like this: one customer sees one girl performing extras and wants the same treatment. so what? most customers notice that dancers usually become a little friendlier or smile and laugh a little more, when a customer decides to spend more money. in any case, the customer seeking extras was never her customer in the first place. no more than the dancer, who can't deliver to the guy who is seeking good conversation or the guy who just wants a good grind.

    your post was well written. ive quoted above something simmillar to what i had posted on SW(too which i recieved much critisizm). i belive i posted something about varried customer groups and providing a service that is desired.

    what i like the most is how an "extras girl" in one state can be a low milage girl in another. for instance a girl who grinds for 4 second intervals occaisonally in most MA clubs would be an extras girl. but if she danced the same exact way in other parts of the country(pretty much anywhere) she would be low milage. so they will call the girl doing this in mass an extras girl(or a prostitute). but someone who grinds fulltime in a club(doesn't use hands or suck dick or anything, just grinds) in RI is considered a dancer. the RI girl is clearly offering more contact/services, but since it is more legal, they dont consider her a prostitute/extras girl. this is absurd. with no safe outlet to go for sex, ofcorse guys and girls are going to turn to SCs. so, either legalize prostitution then you can have your sex clubs and glitz clubs, or put up with it.

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    Extras exsist not because there are men who want them but because there are strippers who are willing to give them. If a dancer doesn't like this fact then they should get out of the Adult Business.
    They have always exsisted, (see the Bible, The history of Rome, etc.) and they will continue to exsist.
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    Awwwww Punkie....you big weeping vagina...post this on the Pink site...see what kind of comradery you get...hahahahahahaha!!!

    I' ve dancing in Texas almost all of my stripping career, I am pretty jaded.....from my observation, the only thing that prevents excessive extras in the clubs I've been to/worked at, is an open floor plan which makes it hard for overt sexual practices to occur......


    I need to see some of these gown clubs where apparently all the girls are clean showgirls whose charm and wit outclass any grinder......then I'll be angry....


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    I have no problems with extras taken outside the club.........
    This for me is strickly in a cleanlyness basis.......

    What each person does is there own, and if they are rakin in some cash suckin dick, by all means they have every right to go for it......
    I just don't want to see or hear about it because then I do not want to touch anything in the club..........
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21174#msg21174 date=1080492844
    i'm sure you did recieve criticism. that's because dancers really believe that extras makes the playing field uneven. well, the playing field was never level. for example, most dancers can accept the fact that a customer who prefers a blond with overinflated tits won't buy dances from a brunette dancer with small, but natural breasts. so, unless the brunette gets bolt-ons and dyes her hair. she will never get dances from that customer. OTOH, a customer who won't buy dances from the blond with big bolt-ons who doesn't give BBBJ, but prefers the small breasted brunette who gives a ball collapsing BBBJ. so, why would a BBBJ make that much of a difference to strippers? it's simple, she thinks it's cutting into her money. of course, that's not true because he was never her customer (and she is only getting in his way) and there are plenty of other suckers in the sc.
    in essence this is what i said. the one intelligent point that a dancer made(not sure which one) in regards to the "they weren't your customers to begin with" argument was somewhat along the lines of what follows.

    basically saying, if a guy goes in looking for extras but doesn't know who gives them and can't see the LD room, he has to play the crapshoot to try and find the extra's girl. therefor he will be the customer of the non-extras dancers until he finds the extras girl. this makes sense. and once he finds the extras girl he stops playing the field. works out for the non-extras girls who got him to get dances with them before he found his girl, but (in their opinion) screws the non-extras girls who wont get the shot to prove they wont offer what he wants because hes already found it.

    so although this is how it would cut into some girls profits, its hardly a worthwhile argument. if you're not providing the service a customer demands/wants, dont be pissed when he goes elsewhere to find it. it really is much like the example you gave of the different physical characteristics. everyguy has different tastes, some like blondes, some like brunettes, some like conversation, others like cleveland steamers. i just think they're all worried that if customers actually got what they wanted there would be a surplus of non-extras dancers. which is true. so like i said, either be a non-extras dancer and cater to your clientel, become an extras dancer( ladies i couldn't give a shit if you give extras or not, im not trying to whore anyone out), or find a new line of work!!!!! its a perfectly competitive industry, much like farming. only reason that non-extras dancing has remained relatively lucrative for such a large mass of dancers is due to legal restrictions on the extras. but either way, stop bitching about and getting "even" with the extras girls.

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    I take it Mr Punk recently read the extra article on the front page of the pink site

    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21146#msg21146 date=1080425194
    legalize prostitution then you can have your sex clubs and glitz clubs, or put up with it.
    I think thats the answer personaly but i dont see the whole US w/ legal sex clubs however i do think we may just see some other select locations like outside LV popping up here and there.

    anywhoo- overall i think they industry is slowly going toward glitz clubs. Some of the more well known glitz clubs have franchised out and since they have lots of $ and legal backing...well i think thats an indicator of what to the near future holds for stripclubs especialy considering the recent political climate here in the US

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    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21175#msg21175 date=1080495359
    basically saying, if a guy goes in looking for extras but doesn't know who gives them and can't see the LD room, he has to play the crapshoot to try and find the extra's girl. therefor he will be the customer of the non-extras dancers until he finds the extras girl. this makes sense. and once he finds the extras girl he stops playing the field. works out for the non-extras girls who got him to get dances with them before he found his girl, but (in their opinion) screws the non-extras girls who wont get the shot to prove they wont offer what he wants because hes already found it.
    sure. which is why i don't advocate the practice of customers spending a lot of upfront on strippers. in general, it's not a good practice until she proves that she can earn your money. i think it's a good practice to develop, no matter what you're looking for in a stripper.

    Quote Originally Posted by sander8son link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21175#msg21175 date=1080495359
    i just think they're all worried that if customers actually got what they wanted there would be a surplus of non-extras dancers. which is true.
    don't you mean a "surplus of extra dancers"? on second thought, it really doesn't matter. historically, the industry has never been about giving the customer what he wants. frankly, it's wasn't a priority for them. why not? the suckers will pay for anything. however, the big difference between now and then is that the industry has been commodified and oversaturated (the industry's own fault) which leads to fiercer competition for the same dollars. which is good for the consumer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21180#msg21180 date=1080498940
    I take it Mr Punk recently read the extra article on the front page of the pink site.
    lol..i just took a peak at that article. i suppose, it is an effective sales pitch (for his seminars) in a dave del dotto-esque sort of way. speaking strictly as a customer, i highly doubt any of his sales techniques would be effective on me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21180#msg21180 date=1080498940
    overall i think they industry is slowly going toward glitz clubs. Some of the more well known glitz clubs have franchised out and since they have lots of $ and legal backing.
    a la Deja Vu? maybe. it's still early in the game. you know, glitz clubs aren't new. in fact, glitz clubs probably lead to the revitalization of the industry. their marketing plan made the industry more palatable for middle america. in any case, the sex industry is subject to the same market forces that faces any normal business. as i mentioned before, the sc industry has been commodified and oversaturated. eventually, there will be a shaking out of the weaker competitors who can't or won't meet the demands of the market. it's a natural business cycle. the smaller clubs which have a strong customer base or niche (eg - GGR) will survive by offering their customers something of value. however, that doesn't mean extras don't occur at DV. quite the opposite, the general business model for success for most parts of the sex industry hasn't changed all that much over the years. it's just more efficient. ruthlessly, cut costs (and increase your profit margin) by treating your employees abominably. speaking strictly from a business perspective, strippers are a cheap, unskilled and easily replaceable source of labor. a club's loyal and regular spending customer is worth his weight in strippers to a club because he's much harder to replace than a stripper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21252#msg21252 date=1080590345
    . if they find the risk that so intolerable. perhaps, raising chickens would be a more suitable line of work for these people.
    what about choking them?

    THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!! thought that was really approriate regarding the thread and all. lol, im freakin hillarious.

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    A couple points I feel need rebutting here.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21143#msg21143 date=1080421280
    1)the sc isn't the place for extras.

    why not? you know, there really isn't a DMZ between stripping and other parts of the sex industry.
    I have to strongly disagree. I still believe in the philosophy of division between stripclubs and sexclubs. There are customers for both- a married traveler doesn't want to "cheat", or a safe place to take a bachelor without fear of being lynched by the bride-to-be, etc.etc.

    Obviously, in that utopian world, there would likely be more sexclubs than stripclubs, but there is a DMZ between a traditional stripclub experience versus a sexclub.


    2)extras put the other dancers at risk for getting busted.

    yes and so does the industry itself. any customer who has greased the palm of a club manager or bouncer, to pretend the customer is invisible for the next 30 minutes, knows that the industy isn't always so concered with risk.
    You are again creating a specialized example to try and apply to the whole. I'd easily say the amount of stripclub customers that grease management's palms probably lies somewhere in the range of 1-4% of the total clientele.

    The point of varied risk potential has already been brought forth, so I wont mirror that point again.


    3) extras put more pressure on the other dancers to perform them.

    supposedly, the theory works like this: one customer sees one girl performing extras and wants the same treatment. so what? most customers notice that dancers usually become a little friendlier or smile and laugh a little more, when a customer decides to spend more money. in any case, the customer seeking extras was never her customer in the first place. no more than the dancer, who can't deliver to the guy who is seeking good conversation or the guy who just wants a good grind.
    You are forgetting how offerings at a club mold the customer base that visit/patronize a given establishment over time.

    Do you go to 7-11 looking for color televisions? Obviously not, but if 7-11's started carrying damn good color televisions, suddenly a good percentage of the customers walking in the door are going to be looking for color televisions, leaving the hot dogs rotating and nachos cheese dispensers lonely and abandoned.

    Stripclubs turned sexclubs are no different. If say 20% of the dancers offer extras, the ratio of visitors looking specifically for extras increases which reduces the number of valid hustles for non-extras girls. You're absolutely right that these customers wouldn't patronize the non-extras girls, but instead prefer what they are looking for. But from a larger scope, the club "motif" changes and thus brings a lesser ratio of the types of customers the other dancers need to survive.

    The openly sexclubs in SF can only sustain maybe 3-4 non-extras dancers and allow them to make good earnings. It's because the clientele is selectively pursuing extras. Smaller clubs in other regions have the same effect on customer ratios. The club owners are obviously happy with this since it can manage to bring more traffic through the club, enough to compensate for city hall/law enforcement kick-backs to sustain safe operations... but for the non-extras dancers, if the ratio of non-extras pursuing customers falls, they are left with no option other than to change clubs as they are fighting for 20-30% of the PL traffic, versus 70-80% like they would at clubs without such readily available extras.


    4)those dancers don't belong in a sc. dancers only dance.

    what does that exactly mean? no matter, that's hardly the case, the system really isn't set up for dancers alone.
    Another wide-brush being used to paint an entire macrocosm.

    Sure, a lot of women come off the streets, walk up and down the stage, maybe twirl around the pole once or twice, drop on the floor, raise their legs, spread them for V-for-Victory, get up on all fours, crawl around on stage, then collect their cash... then say "I'm a dancer! I live for the stage!" It's not like there is some academy or certification for whether or not someone is a certified stripper- like ballet or whatnot.

    But there ARE dancers out there. The one's where the fact they are scantily clad is just a bonus, and they'd be equally captivating on stage fully clothed just by their incredible flexibility, technique, moves, grace and style. I'm thoroughly entertained just to see their stage performance, and would easily pay $50-$75 for a stage admission for just their choreographed performance. They would easily be burlesque/show girl quality performers and absolutely should be allowed to pursue their art without having to step over into the sex industry of simple arousal and physical stimulation to make rent.

    And PLENTY of clubs are setup for such.. it's just not every "dancer" in these clubs plays by the rules and starts forming incorrect expectations amongst the customers.

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    Lastly, before anyone get's the wrong ideas- I'm all with you guys on the whole extra's thing. It's not my gig, but I feel as long as everyone is safe and happy, more power to them. My geographic location encourages open sexclubs as well as stripclubs. The local newspaper ads go as far as advertising just how gropable the dancers at club XYZ are. The previous DA made it public knowledge that no busts will ever occur in any of the off-street sex businesses, so do what you want. It has become increasingly difficult for the traditional "stripclubs" to remain extras-free, and standard lapdance mileage has sufferred from it, but overall it creates a fairly healthy environment when the economy is good for all sides.

    I'm also absolutely flabberghasted that Pryce would publish Dancer Wealth's "Extra Work" document, since it has a great message but does so from a standpoint of complete and utter ignorance. It's obvious that zero research was performed to substantiate any of his claims. He could have given the same message and value-added advice if he did so by using facts versus inventing falsified and completely fictional devices to do so. He creates the ugly, buck-toothed, alcoholic prostitute working a mid-western stripclub considering giving blowjobs to make rent and applies it to the whole, which is comedic at best... condescending at worst. His projected earnings given for extras dancers were missing zero's.. or he confused what an extras dancer gets per 8-12 minute trick versus what they get per night. It discredits any value from that point forward as it uses fictional data from lack of research.

    Ignorance and close-mindedness is what generates animosity on all sides. There are good, earnest and rational arguments that can be presented, as well as value-added advice and meaningful methods to be applied across the boards. No progress, peace or understanding can ever hope to be achieved if everyone stereotypes and creates a simple fictional and lopsided basis for spreading agenda. If the agenda is good, just and right- there is no need to embellish fictional portrayals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21254#msg21254 date=1080595440
    I still believe in the philosophy of division between stripclubs and sexclubs.
    There are customers for both- a married traveler doesn't want to "cheat", or a safe place to take a bachelor without fear of being lynched by the bride-to-be, etc.etc.
    sounds good to me, except for your personal philosophy.

    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21254#msg21254 date=1080595440
    Obviously, in that utopian world, there would likely be more sexclubs than stripclubs, but there is a DMZ between a traditional stripclub experience versus a sexclub.
    but how many stripclubs are traditional nowadays? outside of a few neo-burlesque shows.

    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21254#msg21254 date=1080595440
    You are again creating a specialized example to try and apply to the whole. I'd easily say the amount of stripclub customers that grease management's palms probably lies somewhere in the range of 1-4% of the total clientele.
    but it wasn't the only example i cited about danger the itself industry presents. you did read my link within my original post, didn't you?

    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21254#msg21254 date=1080595440
    You are forgetting how offerings at a club mold the customer base that visit/patronize a given establishment over time.
    i am? let's see.

    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21254#msg21254 date=1080595440
    The openly sexclubs in SF can only sustain maybe 3-4 non-extras dancers and allow them to make good earnings. It's because the clientele is selectively pursuing extras.
    but isn't SF a specialized example compared to the rest of the country? i don't think a club like MBOT or MSC (whatever happened to that place) would be welcomed (at least not without a 3 or 4 Brink's trucks) in any city outside of SF. comparing SF to the rest of the country is like comparing Washington D.C. inside-the-beltway politics to the rest of the country. it's two totally different worlds.

    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21254#msg21254 date=1080595440
    Sure, a lot of women come off the streets, walk up and down the stage, maybe twirl around the pole once or twice, drop on the floor, raise their legs, spread them for V-for-Victory, get up on all fours, crawl around on stage, then collect their cash... then say "I'm a dancer! I live for the stage!" It's not like there is some academy or certification for whether or not someone is a certified stripper- like ballet or whatnot.
    you're a bit off track here, polecat. in any case, my only point at this part of the post was that "dancers who only dance" are not the only type of sex worker in the sc industry. the industry itself attracts all types of sex workers.

    Quote Originally Posted by polecat link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21254#msg21254 date=1080595440
    I'm also absolutely flabberghasted that Pryce would publish Dancer Wealth's "Extra Work" document, since it has a great message but does so from a standpoint of complete and utter ignorance. It's obvious that zero research was performed to substantiate any of his claims.
    whatever the case may be, i'm sure DW got the suckers...er...clients lined up around the block for his seminar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21259#msg21259 date=1080607868
    if they're looking for an instant sympathic audience. please, don't look in my direction.
    have u ever been in a club during a police raid Mr. Punk ?

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    Where is all this philosophical nitpicking getting you? OF COURSE you want to be sympathetic. Let her tell you what those bad girls do. Tell her that stuff is for people who care about each other, not for SALE.... Half the time you end up with a good girl who does stuff because "you care about me." Know what? I care a lot that no one else is getting her, at least not this week.

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    Default Re:hallelujah! why extras exist and why they will never die

    I think it's obvious that the "chance" of getting extras in a club is a serious draw for many customers. Dancers, wether they do extras or not, benefit from the increased attendance that a clubs reputation will provide. Unfortunately, the increased scrutiny that may ensue from LE can cause a whole set of problems that also effect both dancers who do and dancers who don't provide extras.

    What can we do about this? Nothing really.

    My experience has been that the top money makers in most clubs don't usually do extras. Also, it would be a mistake to assume that extras only happen in lower class clubs or that the offers only come from less than perfect 10 types. The only completely up-front offers I have ever gotten for sex with a dancer for money have come from two gorgeous women who, at the time, were working in an upscale(sic) club in Providence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21261#msg21261 date=1080609292
    have u ever been in a club during a police raid Mr. Punk ?
    personally? only once, nothing happened to the dancers or customers. they just kicked everybody out and closed the place down for about 6 hours. it turned out the club owner and the "powers that be" had a little "administrative miscommunication" about the status of the club's liquor license. loosely translated: either someone forgot to drop off the paper bag full of money or didn't put enough money in the bag. while we're on the subject. there is another club that i go to every once in a while. it was busted by the feds not too long ago, but i wasn't there at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21282#msg21282 date=1080695540
    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21261#msg21261 date=1080609292
    have u ever been in a club during a police raid Mr. Punk ?
    personally? only once, nothing happened to the dancers or customers. they just kicked everybody out and closed the place down for about 6 hours. it turned out the club owner and the "powers that be" had a little "administrative miscommunication" about the status of the club's liquor license.
    ??? I wasnt expecting u to say yes actually b/c of ur easy going attitude about in the club extras.

    Were u at all nerved u might be arrested 4 anything when the raid occured ? Would u care much if u were or got arrested at a club? I mean how do u extras guys know there's not an undercover cop in the club ? I know a chick who got busted doing a lap in a table dance club by an undercover female officer who was posing as a dancer :o Alot of risk it seems for a short thrill


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    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21286#msg21286 date=1080715271
    I wasnt expecting u to say yes actually b/c of ur easy going attitude about in the club extras.
    why? a sc is an S.O.B. . it's not Wal-mart. do you really think that, just because a club hasn't been busted, nothing goes on behind the scenes to insure that it doesn't happen? do you really think all club busts have only to do with extras? in addition, officially management may even frown upon the practice. however, unofficially that's not always the case. anyway, i'm old enough to know that extras are not the only illegal or unethical activity going on inside a sc. i don't mind shaking the industry's hand. i just make sure to count the rings on my fingers after i'm done. us:


    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21286#msg21286 date=1080715271
    Were u at all nerved u might be arrested 4 anything when the raid occured ?
    arrested for what? having a drink?

    Quote Originally Posted by Isis link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21286#msg21286 date=1080715271
    Would u care much if u were or got arrested at a club?I mean how do u extras guys know there's not an undercover cop in the club?I know a chick who got busted doing a lap in a table dance club by an undercover female officer who was posing as a dancer. Alot of risk it seems for a short thrill.
    ok. first of all, i don't do air dance . second of all, i'm not a undercover cop and i know she isn't a undercover cop. the vice squad won't put undercover female cops in an uncontrolled environment. IOW, female cops aren't going to pose as dancers at a contact club and let a bunch of ill-mannered customers attempt to feed and finger her all night long in the hopes of making a solicitation bust. bzzzzt...sorry, it's not in the job description. in any case, they're too fat, unattractive and not flaky enough to pass for strippers . as far as risk? well, risk is relative in the sex industry. are extras in a sc risky? compared to say....meeting a total stranger alone (at least, you think you're alone) in a room with the intent of offering an exchange of sex for money? i don't think so. in fact, i hardly think it's worthy of comparison.
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    I agree with you Punk.

    Luckily for me, I make really good money without having to do extras. I have seen them take place and the number one reason they will always take place is because of money. Not one dancer in a club is going to give you a blow job for free(unless you're Sporty of course...lol)

    But it all comes down to money and what a person is willing to do to make it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21302#msg21302 date=1080782833
    do you really think all club busts have only to do with extras?
    Oh no, I know other things can cause busts.

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21302#msg21302 date=1080782833
    arrested for what? having a drink?
    maybe I am mistaken but I got the feeling that u didn't ever do "legal" dances,so thats I was wondering if u were worried about getting arrested.

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    Isis, I have never ONCE heard of a customer being arrested for illegal acts, even though what he's doing is illegal, during a prostitution bust at a club. The johns don't get arrested. Of course punk doesn't give a shit, he knows that's the way it works. He can go about his pissy way soliciting and manipulating (according to some of his own posts) girls into giving him cheap BJs under the table, knowing full well the GIRLS are the ones taking all the risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sallylou link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21303#msg21303 date=1080794480
    Luckily for me, I make really good money without having to do extras. I have seen them take place and the number one reason they will always take place is because of money. Not one dancer in a club is going to give you a blow job for free(unless you're Sporty of course...lol)
    The #1 reason is money, no question about that. Even if a dancer offers you something for "free" outside the club, it's because she wants to be your favorite, and that means money, status in the club, and confidence in herself.... However, I have known softly beautiful dancers who would have made more money by NOT doing extras, but they just liked sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21416#msg21416 date=1081258926
    Isis, I have never ONCE heard of a customer being arrested for illegal acts, even though what he's doing is illegal, during a prostitution bust at a club. The johns don't get arrested. Of course punk doesn't give a shit, he knows that's the way it works. He can go about his pissy way soliciting and manipulating (according to some of his own posts) girls into giving him cheap BJs under the table, knowing full well the GIRLS are the ones taking all the risk.
    It's sad the customers never get arrested, because some SCJ's have to go trolling for street hookers to get a danger rush. That's where Johns get arrested.

    Mr P and I have fun in different ways, but I would never term his way "pissy." Throwing in P/S words doesn't add much to an argument.

    I always tell a dancer, "What I care about most is your reputation in this club." If they get fired, or I get bounced, or other dancers talk trash about her, life will become more difficult.

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    Sporty, you're always so sensitive to a dancer's well being! Glad to hear you think about her reputation first and foremost ... but if a dancer is willing to give out FS or anything like that, she's not too concerned about her own reputation in the first place.
    Whether a dancer likes sex has nothing to do with whether they give out extras or not...like I said before... it all comes down to what they're willing to compromise in order to make an extra buck. Now, I'm just repeating myself...
    Ohhh, one more thing... are you implying you search out hookers for the danger aspect? I thought all the dancers were just throwing themselves at you? But I guess that's not as exciting as searching the street corners yourself, huh? lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bridgette link=board=9;threadid=1373;start=msg21416#msg21416 date=1081258926
    Isis, I have never ONCE heard of a customer being arrested for illegal acts, even though what he's doing is illegal, during a prostitution bust at a club. .
    I think ur right for the most part but didn't some customers get arrested in Tampa a few years ago when that new law went into effect ? however thats the only place I ever heard of customers getting paddywagoned as well as dancers but it wasnt for hooking it was distance laws
    I think if there was more risk 4 the customers they might be more understanding of why lots of dancers just dance.

    Setting personal morals/limits aside....
    ( imo, alot of men just dont see sex as emotional like many women do) they might just understand the concept of not wanting to risk losing child custody or job or perm. criminal record- etc etc. if they actually had to face those risks more often.

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