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    I was just at a club recently where it was really dead. So dead that the stripper dancing on the stage didn't even start dancing. Another stripper was at the rail and they just started blabbing away while the song played out. I didn't bother to watch for two reasons:
    1. She wasn't my type at all
    2. She wasn't dancing on the stage.

    I don't rail girls who I am not attracted to meaning I won't even tip that girl either ( I tip if the performance is good, not just for dropping your bra and panties. For me, a performance just requires even menial effort which she didn't provide ...). When her next song came up, the DJ asked her "what the f***" are you doing talking on the stage. That stripper yelled out "Because that guy (me) wasn't looking at
    her and the other guys aren't going to the rail. " Of course I'm not going to look at a girl just gabbing away on stage, that's stupid. Maybe if she started dancing I would, but she gave no notion of that sort.

    I found it funny that after 30 minutes, she came to ask me for a dance and right when I was about to say No, she turned away and moved towards the dressing room. My money is my money. I am not going to spend it on a girl with an attitude that I really don't like and am in no way interested in. Other guys may think she's hot sh*t because of her accent, but she did nothing for me. She's blacklisted on my list, and a hefty No will always come out of my mouth from now on.

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    Junkie, are you sure you aren't my twin brother? LOL I agree with you. I do not tip just because a dancer is "there". I tip if I like her and if she at least puts on a performance. I have gotten into many arguments on here with the "dancers ass kisser customers" that feel just because they are up on stage they should be tipped. It is your money, and spend as you feel u need to!

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    I think we're all part of the majority on this one. Well, at least I would like to believe that. I'm the exact same way. By no means am I advocating being a tightwad b/c that's not what we are. We're prudent and spend our money wisely. Oh, it will get spent. No doubt. It just goes where we want it to go. I only tip a select few at the stage. If I am not into someone at the stage I usually just get up and go back to the bar. No harm no foul.


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    I only tip the one's I am interested in at stage. I already know them, or think I may like to know them better Now if I go up to tip and they act like I am doing them a favor, then that is the last one they get. Granted I have a select few that I will hit the stage most any time they are up, but that doesnt keep me from showing appreciation to the others from time to time. Heck, once I got "HC came to tip me? I feel so honored, you only tip (ATF)" One girl even asked me if my coming up was a pity tip. Maybe it was. The club was slow, but she still did a show. she didnt just stand around or pout. That and she is hot, so she deserved it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    Remember HC, "NO" only means "NO" when she says it..... LMAO

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    If there's one thing that gets my blood boiling more than anything else is guys who will sit there and watch an entire stage set and not even tip $1 to the dancer.You see this alot when clubs first open for the day and only 1 or 2 customers are in the club. I've noticed it happens to all types of dancers too from Barbie to Miss Piggy, so it seems to be related mostly to the number( or lack there of) OTHER customers.
    I will often see customers watching intently but not tipping awesome stage shows. WTF is with that ???
    At least twice a shift I will tip a dancer out of my own garder to give a polite hint to the cheapos watching and not tipping. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
    Is $1 really going to brake the bank or something If so, they should just stay home. I mean seriously even if a club is running 20 dancers an hour on stage, that's only $20 for an hours worth of sexy entertainment.

    $1 per dancer on stage is the standard min. of respectable stripclub behavior.

    As a customer, I wouldn't tip a dancer sitting and talking to another dancer while on stage either, but if a dancer is dancing on stage (even if she's not my type) I will tip her becasue she is doing her job- dancing for the clubs customers.

    I think it's wrong to make people work for free.

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    Just to make it clear...If I am not tipping the girl, I am not at the stage. Also just because we are both in the club at the same time does not mean she deserves my money. The girls who do get my money have done something to earn it.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    Remember HC, "NO" only means "NO" when she says it..... LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by happy_camper link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21752#msg21752 date=1081796912
    Just to make it clear...If I am not tipping the girl, I am not at the stage. Also just because we are both in the club at the same time does not mean she deserves my money. The girls who do get my money have done something to earn it.
    Amen to that. If I'm at the stage, I'll tip. If I'm not, I'll tip if she's doing a good job or I want her attention. If she's not my type, or a crappy dancer, or whatever, I'm under no obligation to give her money.

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    ^^^ What happy_camper said

    I don't go to the rail if I'm not interested in the girl. Sure it's an early shift, but the girls are there for the long haul of the day. There will be slow times until the regs come in to get their lap on. If you don't cater to what I prefer in a woman, why should I drop my money? I tip when I see a good performance if I am not at the rail and she deserves it. I won't give out pity money just because she's naked on the stage.

    I don't feel bad considering the $ per hour rate many if not all are making. If she doesn't entice me, maybe she needs to up her stage show to faster beats instead of leaning back on a pole and just posing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21748#msg21748 date=1081795390

    I think it's wrong to make people work for free.
    Well, I think its wrong for me to pay something for nothing. Dancing is a sales job, plain and simple. If the dancer isn't selling herself to me via her stage set, why should I give her money? She works on commission, period. She has to close the sale with me to earn that commission. If she's working for free, that's her fault, not my fault. I'm a customer, checking out what's available in the 'store.' If I like something, I'll buy it (i.e., tip, buy lap dances, VIP, whatever). If I don't, then I leave. There's no rule (ignoring covers and drink minimums) that says I have to spend dollar #1 in a club. Whether you like it or not, its my perogative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NVJosh link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21756#msg21756 date=1081797743
    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21748#msg21748 date=1081795390

    I think it's wrong to make people work for free.
    Well, I think its wrong for me to pay something for nothing.
    Dancing on stage is not "Nothing" Not tipping is getting something for nothing. Not all that unlike shoplifting when you break it down.

    Technically, dancing on stage is the ONLY real job requirement as a Stripper . Most clubs do not require a dancer to do dances off stage to continue working in the club just on stage.

    It's an age old arguement really
    Most dancers want to be paid for doing the job they were hired to do. And most customers want dancers to do more than just their jobs to earn money.


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    Let me ask you guys who think there is nothing wrong with watchin a dancers stage set and not tipping.

    Lets say you go to see a concert and don't particularly like the opening act or you go to see a movie and its not your cup of tea- do you think should you get to see the show for free?
    It's no differnt watching a dancer on stage and not tipping.


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    Laura dear, you are comparing apples to oranges! You cannot compare going to the movies and watching strippers! Come to NJ hon, and watch the dancers do the gogo walk or the stripper strut on stage! If they do not put on any kind of show, they dont get the dough! Plain and simple. Walking around the stage is not a show. Just because someone is on stage does not entitle them to get a tip. Dance, have a gimmick, do something!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21761#msg21761 date=1081802199
    Let me ask you guys who think there is nothing wrong with watchin a dancers stage set and not tipping.

    Lets say you go to see a concert and don't particularly like the opening act or you go to see a movie and its not your cup of tea- do you think should you get to see the show for free?
    It's no differnt watching a dancer on stage and not tipping.

    I know what I am getting into when I go to the movie, bad or not. As for a concert I paid for the feature not the opening act. Like the club, I am paying for the ATF (or other worthwhile girl), not the ones who think we 'owe' them something just for being there. I dont tip every waitress just because she is there working. They have to do something for me.

    If the dancer isnt good enough to garner tips and is 'working for free', then she is in the wrong business.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    Remember HC, "NO" only means "NO" when she says it..... LMAO

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21759#msg21759 date=1081800839
    Quote Originally Posted by NVJosh link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21756#msg21756 date=1081797743
    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21748#msg21748 date=1081795390

    I think it's wrong to make people work for free.
    Well, I think its wrong for me to pay something for nothing.
    Dancing on stage is not "Nothing"
    You're absolutely right...its Advertising. Its client development. I've had dozens of meetings with potential clients who ultimately don't use my services. Do I charge them for meeting with me? No...only if I become their CPA do they get charged. Now, if I perform a specific service, like write them a quick letter during that meeting, I'll charge for it on the spot, whether or not they become a client.

    Its the same with a dancer. Her stage set is that initial interview. If I'm impressed, then she gets a dance, or a tip, or whatever. Otherwise, it was just another lost sale. However, if the performs a service for me during the stage set (I dunno, burying my face in her cleavage or something),then I will pay for services rendered (i.e., tip) at that time.

    You want us to pay for the commercial before we buy the product.

    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21759#msg21759 date=1081800839
    Not tipping is getting something for nothing. Not all that unlike shoplifting when you break it down.
    With some dancers stage sets, they should pay me to endure them. What exactly am I getting if I'd rather look at the bartender or the TV instead of the dancer on stage? Not what I came to the club for, that's for sure. Now, as stated earlier, if I'm sitting at the stage, I'm tipping (extreme situations like her talking to another dancer or customer for the whole song aside). Because, in my mind, if I choose to sit at the stage, then I've chosed to "purchase some services." Not purchasing the services isn't "shoplifting", its "window shopping." Getting a dance and not paying for it is "shoplifting."

    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21759#msg21759 date=1081800839
    Technically, dancing on stage is the ONLY real job requirement as a Stripper . Most clubs do not require a dancer to do dances off stage to continue working in the club just on stage.
    So? Most car dealerships don't require their salespeople to sell cars...unless they want to keep a job, that is. IMO, this is a silly argument.


    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21759#msg21759 date=1081800839
    It's an age old arguement really
    Most dancers want to be paid for doing the job they were hired to do. And most customers want dancers to do more than just their jobs to earn money.
    When did this become a extras discussion? I want my dancer to be a dancer...not a stroller, not a shuffler, not a zombie...if she's a dancer, she'll make money from me. She won't get my money just for having tits...I've seen lots of tits in my life, it takes more than that to impress me.

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    If I'm sitting at the stage I'm tipping every girl that comes over-as long as she is dancing or exuding SOME kind of personality and not just standing there with her g-string pulled out acting like I owe her something. If I'm sitting at the bar chatting with the bartender or another dancer I will go up and tip a girl I like at the stage.

    If I'm not at the stage, I DO NOT feel obligated to tip a girl simply because she happens to be naked in the same zip code as I am on a Monday afternoon...I have friends who dance or have danced and believe me, I know how frustrating it is to watch a bunch of yahoos ogling you for no money, I've heard what gets said about these guys and (ouch!) often times it is deserved. However, dancing is what it is, you take your clothes off and you take your chances on how much money you will make that set, shift, week etc.

    There are many jobs where your hourly wage is guaranteed: McDonalds, Burger King and K-Mart come to mind...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NVJosh link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21753#msg21753 date=1081797487
    Quote Originally Posted by happy_camper link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21752#msg21752 date=1081796912
    Just to make it clear...If I am not tipping the girl, I am not at the stage. Also just because we are both in the club at the same time does not mean she deserves my money. The girls who do get my money have done something to earn it.
    Amen to that. If I'm at the stage, I'll tip. If I'm not, I'll tip if she's doing a good job or I want her attention. If she's not my type, or a crappy dancer, or whatever, I'm under no obligation to give her money.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moneywise link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21742#msg21742 date=1081775113
    If I am not into someone at the stage I usually just get up and go back to the bar. No harm no foul.

    Amen to both HC and NVJosh.

    Just to clear up any misconceptions or misunderstanding...
    I'm pretty generous with tipping and will tip 5-10 at the stage if interested. If the girl on stage does nothing for me the bar suddenly calls my name and I follow the voice in the dark. I agree, sitting around the stage and enjoying a "free" peep is not cool at all. I'm into doing cool things.


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    Quote Originally Posted by NVJosh link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21767#msg21767 date=1081804699


    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21759#msg21759 date=1081800839
    It's an age old arguement really
    Most dancers want to be paid for doing the job they were hired to do. And most customers want dancers to do more than just their jobs to earn money.
    When did this become a extras discussion? I want my dancer to be a dancer...not a stroller, not a shuffler, not a zombie...if she's a dancer, she'll make money from me. She won't get my money just for having tits...I've seen lots of tits in my life, it takes more than that to impress me.
    I wasn't trying to imply extras, get your mind out of the gutter - just kidding

    Like I said stage tipping it's an age old argument.

    There will always be dancers who get offended for not being paid for the work they do and there will always be customers who consider dancers greedy for wanting to be paid for doing their jobs.

    Something I have found odd though is it's usualy the customers who are salary income that are the ones who understand it is rude not to tip the dancer on stage. And it's often the hourly guys who expect dancers to dance on stage for them for free. That's weird to me. You'd figure that it would be the other way around but in my experience it's not

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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21748#msg21748 date=1081795390
    Is $1 really going to brake the bank or something If so, they should just stay home. I mean seriously even if a club is running 20 dancers an hour on stage, that's only $20 for an hours worth of sexy entertainment.
    For the customer who can't afford dances, I agree that stage tipping is an economical alternative, and that he should be tipping $1/ per gal if he's going to park his rear in the prime seats.

    But if I've come to spend my money on buying dances, the money I'd spend tipping dancers on stage whom I have no interest in, cuts into my budget to spend on dancers that I am interested in. That doesn't make me cheap, just selective.

    $1 per dancer on stage is the standard min. of respectable stripclub behavior.
    What if the club has multiple stages running? If I sit at one, I have no view of the others. If I sit at a table in the back row, I may have at best, a so-so view of any of them. What is my standard minimum then?

    I think it's wrong to make people work for free.
    Me too, but lets remember that I'm not the one making them work.

    Dancing on stage is not "Nothing" Not tipping is getting something for nothing. Not all that unlike shoplifting when you break it down.
    By your definition, would I not be obliged to pay money to a storekeeper just to browse his merchandise? I can only imagine how successful that enterprise would be! Sorry, but I will not buy what I cannot at least see.

    It's an age old arguement really
    Most dancers want to be paid for doing the job they were hired to do. And most customers want dancers to do more than just their jobs to earn money.
    Since most dancers are independent contractors, they are more akin to a businesses than an employee. Any person who runs a business knows there are going to be days where they'll work themselves raw and through no fault of their own, have little to show for it at the end of the day. It comes with the territory. If a particular dancer can't accept that fact, she should perhaps find a line of work where the income is more steady.

    Furthermore, I am not "most customers". I have no problem with tipping and recommend that every customer do his/her best to treat the ladies at their favorite club right. I just don't like being told when I should tip, or how much, or worst of all whom I should give it to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21775#msg21775 date=1081806117

    Me too, but lets remember that I'm not the one making them work.
    Well who are they dancing for if not the customers?


    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21775#msg21775 date=1081806117

    What if the club has multiple stages running? If I sit at one, I have no view of the others. If I sit at a table in the back row, I may have at best, a so-so view of any of them. What is my standard minimum then?
    In that case you should tip the stage you are watching

    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21775#msg21775 date=1081806117
    By your definition, would I not be obliged to pay money to a storekeeper just to browse his merchandise? I can only imagine how successful that enterprise would be! Sorry, but I will not buy what I cannot at least see.
    What? How is a customer watching a movie and not likeing it and then expecting a refund the same as going into a store and being charged for browsing?
    And you do get to see what you are paying for- uh..... that's the point of what I'm saying

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    Who you are dancing for and who is making you dance does (do?) not have to be the same person(s). In reality, you are dancing for yourself. The whole "independant contractor" thing is a real slippery slope sometimes but that comes much closer to reality than the argument that would depict a dancer as an employee. Nobody likes to invest time in their craft for zero dollar return but Independant contractors (myself included) do it all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21774#msg21774 date=1081806115
    Quote Originally Posted by NVJosh link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21767#msg21767 date=1081804699


    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21759#msg21759 date=1081800839
    It's an age old arguement really
    Most dancers want to be paid for doing the job they were hired to do. And most customers want dancers to do more than just their jobs to earn money.
    When did this become a extras discussion? I want my dancer to be a dancer...not a stroller, not a shuffler, not a zombie...if she's a dancer, she'll make money from me. She won't get my money just for having tits...I've seen lots of tits in my life, it takes more than that to impress me.
    I wasn't trying to imply extras, get your mind out of the gutter - just kidding
    My mind feels right at home in the gutter, thank you very much. Actually, you're right...re-reading your post, you consider doing anything other than stage doing more than just their jobs. So, you weren't implying extras (at least I don't think so...lol). I sit corrected.

    As to the other stuff, nothing you've said convinces me that I'm under any obligation to tip. If I'm sitting at the stage and don't, its rude (and that generally won't happen), however I'm still not obligated. If I'm back in my seat, I definitely feel no obligation to tip.

    Frankly, I haven't been a stage sitter in years. Not since I first started going to clubs. Since I consider stage the preview/commercial/flyer/whatever, I like to watch from the back. If I'm interested in the dancer, I'll walk up and tip, which also, IMO, shows the dancer that I have some interest, as I've gotten my fat ass out of the chair to bring her money, so it helps keep me fresher in her mind. I find this especially useful when I tip $1 and say "there's 4 more of these waiting for you at my table, baby!" . Seriously, it also lets me talk with the circulating dancers without me feeling rude by sitting at the stage and then talking to a dancer who walks by. To me that's pretty insulting to the dancer on stage.

    I don't owe any dancer a living, just as my clients don't owe me a living. I have to perform to a certain level to be paid for my services. To me, the same applies to dancers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21775#msg21775 date=1081806117
    Since most dancers are independent contractors, they are more akin to a businesses than an employee. Any person who runs a business knows there are going to be days where they'll work themselves raw and through no fault of their own, have little to show for it at the end of the day. It comes with the territory. If a particular dancer can't accept that fact, she should perhaps find a line of work where the income is more steady.
    I don't think any dancer expects every customer watching her stage set to buy a lap dance but I don't think it's too much to ask for them to tip a single dollar since they are sitting there watching her show.

    If a dancer isn't making enough money she should seek out differnt club or differnt type of employment, I agree. But I also think that customers who are siting there watching should tip at least $1. Why should they get a free show ?


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    Default Re:Was I wrong? I can be choosy if I want to be

    Going back to the movie scenerio.
    I paid admission to see the movie (I paid cover charge to get in club).
    I may or may not buy soda and popcorn (I may on may not buy alchohol...although drinks at the club are cheaper).
    If I like the movie I will see it again or buy the video or other merchandise (If I like the dancers show I will tip or buy a lap).

    So yep, they are alot alike.
    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck
    Remember HC, "NO" only means "NO" when she says it..... LMAO

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    Default Re:Was I wrong? I can be choosy if I want to be

    i think we're all arguing, while we all have the same opinion.

    All of the guys here are saying that if they are sitting at the stage, they tip the girl. so, they aren't condoning getting an upclose and personal show without tipping.

    where i think laura and the fellas are hitting a snag on, is when the guy is not sitting at the stage..

    let me ask this. Laura, if im sitting at a table, 75 feet away from the stage, watchign tv...am i required to tip the girls on stage? the guys will all say no, i hope you do too. Now, if i get up and move to the stage, clearly, i am required to tip.

    there can be some gray area with the guys who sit not at the stage, but as close as possible without being at it. these guys SHOULD tip, but not as much as the ones who get the upclose and personal attention. if these guys sit 4 feet away and get a good show, without tipping, they are cheap bastards.

    when im not sitting at the stage, im not watchign the stage, and therefor have without a doubt NO responsibility to tip. when they announce the new stage lineup, i'll look over to see if anyone piques my interest. if somone does, i'll head to the stage, if not, i'll turn back around and ignore the stage. simple as that.

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    Default Re:Was I wrong? I can be choosy if I want to be

    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21781#msg21781 date=1081807627

    I don't think any dancer expects every customer watching her stage set to buy a lap dance but I don't think it's too much to ask for them to tip a single dollar since they are sitting there watching her show.
    Ah...yet that's an opinion. It doesn't matter what you think, it matters what the customer thinks. I don't mean that to be snide, just that there are many who don't share that point of view. In reality, most if not all customers can afford that buck...however, at the old saying goes "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink."

    To me, its probably a two-way street. If I was sitting back in the seats, came up and tipped and later asked you for a dance, I suspect your attitude towards me would be better than if you saw me watching you the whole time without tipping and later asked you for a dance. Am I right or not?

    Also, there are guys who are shy about coming up to the stage, into the lights, especially when the club is not crowded, so they may not tip and will just wait until the dancers come to them (see my entry for "what the fucko" under the types of fucko thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by LauraLove link=board=9;threadid=1404;start=msg21781#msg21781 date=1081807627
    If a dancer isn't making enough money she should seek out differnt club or differnt type of employment, I agree. But I also think that customers who are siting there watching should tip at least $1. Why should they get a free show ?
    Why? That one's easy. Because they can. Because there wasn't a sign at the door saying "You must tip the dancers on stage."

    Like all of this, its not right or wrong, good or bad, it just is.

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