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    FBR: Kat's right (big surprise!) the lady has you right where she wants you....I should know.

    At the same time, I think her offer makes it obvious that Miss D would rather spend time with a nice guy, regular "customer" than with a dickhead who may have the cash on hand. Of course, ultimately she will figure out a way to get your money and the dickhead's money as well.

    I've been in a similar situation and I went for it. No ill will from the lady and I paid the balance at her club about a week later.

    I'll be waiting for that next report.....and no, accidental "ooops" insertions doesn't qualify...
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    I need to make a mental note not to promise to abstain from posting until I accomplished a certain goal Well, fuck it, I'll view this as an update rather than an actual report.

    Called Miss D this afternoon. I was wondering about Saturday still. I invited her to a late afternoon couple of drinks and a cuppa soup at Chili's. She was in the middle of grading papers but was in the mood for a break and said OK.

    The usual this and that conversation. Got an update on Miss A, her hangeron at the club. Miss D has hooked her up for a couple of private parties and Miss A seems to be really getting into it. I mean, unzipping and applying snaky licks getting into it. I was kinda surprised because Miss A seemed to be such a newbie innocent. Miss D said Miss A was hammered so maybe that was it.

    Anyways, towards the end of our getogether I asked Miss D matter of factly where she wanted to hook up for lunch Saturday. Lunch, of course, is RR foreplay. We agreed on a restaurant but my main reason for asking was to let her know were on and to see if she inquired about the...uh...monetary details. She didnt say boo about it. Unbeknowst to her, I did finagle the money from a customer as a job progress payment and can cover my tab in full. Evil FBR is tempted to play it the other way just to see if she really would go for it on the payment plan. Sort of a profession of faith. I'll decide tommorow. Either way she will get paid of course but sometimes its interesting to see where the new battle lines may be forming.

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    *hits fbr with the rolled up newspaper*

    NO.

    BAD FBR

    You do NOT do this. IF you cannot afford a purchase, you do not buy it. If you can afford a purchase you pay it. IF CREDIT, IS EXTENDED TO YOU BY LOVELY WOMAN, You pay in full. You do NOT tempt fate. And you tip well.

    In all seriousness bro, if you have the money, pay it. Don't risk your relationship with Miss D. It only goes down hill from there.

    This is a luxury hobby, it turns evil on you very fast when you go down these roads.

    IMO, Loans, Credit, Financing, all that malarky should have nothing to do with payed-for-affection, especially from extremely capable men such as yourself.

    Not that I could tell you, ya know?
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    Gosh, FBR. If she really likes you, and I mean really, are you going to leave your wife to properly reciprocate her affection? No? Then perhaps the mind games are a little out of place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    Unbeknowst to her, I did finagle the money from a customer as a job progress payment and can cover my tab in full. Evil FBR is tempted to play it the other way just to see if she really would go for it on the payment plan. Sort of a profession of faith. I'll decide tommorow. Either way she will get paid of course but sometimes its interesting to see where the new battle lines may be forming.
    LOL..FBR, i didn't know you were such a sneaky, low-down, rat bastard. <sniff..sniff> why, i'm quite proud of you. seriously, let's say you didn't have the money yet. well, it isn't unusual for strippers to ask for loans, negotiate or barter with customers. i don't see why the reverse shouldn't happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mastridonicus

    This is a luxury hobby, it turns evil on you very fast when you go down these roads.
    Mast, what do you know about hobbying? I thought you got all your pussy promising strippers you'll fix their computers, and never finishing the job?

    FBR, she isn't stupid. She knows what kind of money you make.

    Look at it this way, Punkster and others: poor-me strippers have lots of bargaining chips: single-mothers, bad hustler, no other job skills, deadbeat dads and abusive lovers, family member in the hospital, no health/auto insurance.

    Its not so hard for a PL to take pity upon a downtrodden stripper (who is invariably lying her thong off).

    BUT, FBR, you are well known in your community as a successful businessman. Your children are grown and self-sufficient. You didn't get to where you are today without protecting your assets and insuring your family in various ways.

    You have NO EXCUSE! She isn't going to buy it......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Look at it this way, Punkster and others: poor-me strippers have lots of bargaining chips: single-mothers, bad hustler, no other job skills, deadbeat dads and abusive lovers, family member in the hospital, no health/auto insurance. Its not so hard for a PL to take pity upon a downtrodden stripper (who is invariably lying her thong off).
    funny, i smell either blood or SS when i hear that stuff, but you're absolutely correct. anyway, i have no problem with some stripper trying to make a better deal for herself. however, i do think customers also have this tendency to roll over like lap dogs because they want to be thought of as gentlemen or under the false impression that a stripper won't press an advantage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    i do think customers also have this tendency to roll over like lap dogs because they want to be thought of as gentlemen or under the false impression that a stripper won't press an advantage.
    I agree 100% with this statement Mr. P. This tendency can become even more acute if you spend too much time reading the pink side of this site, and not enough time in a club being a customer, spending money. Most of the dancers I meet are either genuinely nice gals, or put on the nice gal SS persona very effectively (notice how I think I can tell the difference.... ).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    well, it isn't unusual for strippers to ask for loans, negotiate or barter with customers. i don't see why the reverse shouldn't happen.
    Well, based on how he's described her in the past she sounds mercenary. Yep, she sounds like she has come to him every week begging for a hand out to buy cat food to feed her 6 kids in a trailer.

    If this particular and exact woman has been giving and friendly and forthright at a price he can well afford, then perhaps mind games with this particular and exact woman are a little out of place? I mean, what would he do if he finds out that she is is actually in love with him and wants to see him for free? I mean, what would one be trying to find out with this charade and why? And you guys wonder why some of the pinkies despise you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    The usual this and that conversation. Got an update on Miss A, her hangeron at the club. Miss D has hooked her up for a couple of private parties and Miss A seems to be really getting into it. I mean, unzipping and applying snaky licks getting into it. I was kinda surprised because Miss A seemed to be such a newbie innocent. Miss D said Miss A was hammered so maybe that was it.
    My Ms. A introduced me to a friend of hers a few months ago thinking she would be a "safe" companion for me while Ms. A did a VIP room with another regular of hers. Ms. S. promptly offered me a discount on a VIP room and proceeded to suck the chrome off of little yoda's bumper. You just never know....

    Quote Originally Posted by FBR
    Evil FBR is tempted to play it the other way just to see if she really would go for it on the payment plan. Sort of a profession of faith. I'll decide tommorow. Either way she will get paid of course but sometimes its interesting to see where the new battle lines may be forming.

    FBR
    Honestly, I don't see a problem with this approach. I've never had an OTC relationship with a dancer that didn't involve head games on both sides. Nothing wrong with trying to figure out where you "stand". Even though it may be in quicksand....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Well, based on how he's described her in the past she sounds mercenary. Yep, she sounds like she has come to him every week begging for a hand out to buy cat food to feed her 6 kids in a trailer.
    frankly, i don't know the woman. which is why i didn't specifically refer to her. so, i'll defer to your expertise.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    If this particular and exact woman has been giving and friendly and forthright at a price he can well afford, then perhaps mind games with this particular and exact woman are a little out of place?
    yeah, you two must be just like that <crossed fingers>. seriously, if Evil FBR wants to play "mind games". well, i'm sure he has his reasons.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I mean, what would he do if he finds out that she is is actually in love with him and wants to see him for free? I mean, what would one be trying to find out with this charade and why?
    if i were in his place and she told me something like that. i would probably need a new change of underwear. but hey, that's just me. OTOH, other guys like that sort of thing.
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    QUOTE=mr_punk:
    however, i do think customers also have this tendency to roll over like lap dogs because they want to be thought of as gentlemen or under the false impression that a stripper won't press an advantage.
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    Bah! So what? You know...I've been there. I've been fed the sob story and, while there is that sober, callous part of me that doesn't buy it, a big chunk of me wants to buy it. Yes, I want to be thought of as a gentleman. So, yes, I'll buy a pity dance or 6.

    If it makes me feel good, and I am having a good time (which she is primarily responsible for, even if her tool for completing said task is a line of bullshit so deep that I am in danger of getting the bends), I am gonna go for it. The ONLY down side is that I know, in my heart of hearts, that I am going to lose some respect from mr_punk, sandy and sc_dude. That and some cash...I am perfectly fine paying that price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I mean, what would he do if he finds out that she is is actually in love with him and wants to see him for free? I mean, what would one be trying to find out with this charade and why?
    Well, there is a big grey world of possibilities between she loves him and wants him for free, and it's pure business.

    Basically though I'd say it's an ego stroke for a guy if his paid for woman will occassionally throw in something for free (or even implied free), no different then say the women in this scenerio probably gets her ego stroke when the he throws her an extra large tip, compliments her, gives her money without asking for anything in return, buys her gifts, takes her out to a good restaurant.

    I suppose you could whimsically think of it as the same type of mentality that causes people to carry around those preferred customer cards, or those Subway stamp cards, where your 10th sandwhich is free. People like to feel that they are somehow a little bit special.

    Then of course, there is the guy fantasy of having a free fuck partner. What could be a great ego stroke then that? No pay, no entanglement sex. Not very realistic, but yes, guys have that fantasy.

    Now the reality may be that this woman can't handle anything in between "love and free" and "pure business", and it's probably safest to keep it pure business. But I didn't immediately assume that FBR is hoping for an all free, let alone love based, sexual relationship. My first reaction is it's normal human behavior to want one's ego stroked. In this case, by pushing the boundaries a bit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    Bah! So what? You know...I've been there. I've been fed the sob story and, while there is that sober, callous part of me that doesn't buy it, a big chunk of me wants to buy it. Yes, I want to be thought of as a gentleman. So, yes, I'll buy a pity dance or 6.
    whether or not you believe a stripper is telling you the truth about her sick mother who needs an liver transplant is irrelevant. furthermore, it's not about your "save-a-ho fantasy". it's about putting oneself at a disadvantage....period.
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    if it makes me feel good, and I am having a good time (which she is primarily responsible for, even if her tool for completing said task is a line of bullshit so deep that I am in danger of getting the bends), I am gonna go for it.
    oh, cut the crap, Gen. you won't be in danger of losing your gentlemanly reputation by refraining to talk to me as if i'm a stripper. seriously, no matter how much of a good time you're having or how much of a gentleman you think she thinks you are. there's a line you won't cross and if you did cross it. your posts would be more suited for CC. i mean, you don't seem to have a problem serving up a reality check, albeit a lubed one, when necessary.
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    The ONLY down side is that I know, in my heart of hearts, that I am going to lose some respect from mr_punk, sandy and sc_dude.
    well, that's simply not true, Gen. besides, you can't lose something that you never had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    Gosh, FBR. If she really likes you, and I mean really, are you going to leave your wife to properly reciprocate her affection? No? Then perhaps the mind games are a little out of place.
    Jenny makes a good point. How many SCJ's would leave their current SO's to marry/ have a serious relationship with their ATF's, if in fact that was possible?
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    well, i never planned on it, but sh#t happens. still, i think it defeats the purpose of why i go to sc. i mean, why go to a buffet and stick with one dish?
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    whether or not you believe a stripper is telling you the truth about her sick mother who needs an liver transplant is irrelevant. furthermore, it's not about your "save-a-ho fantasy". it's about putting oneself at a disadvantage....period.
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    How so? I mean, I read your original post a couple of times and I am missing your point. Kat said that sometimes guys will get off on feeling the pity and want to be the rescuer. You said that we PLs will roll over in order to feel like a gentleman or because they have us snowed. Where is the disadvantage? I mean, it's our money and our spending of it...I don't get how I or my fellow PLs are being abused. The only interpretation for your argument that lets me make sense of it is to apply a level of ignorance that I will not own. Yes, if the custy is clueless, this could be very very bad. But I was talking about us, the select group of custys known as "blueballers". And one of the few common characteristics about said group is a general lack of ignorance. Not being flippant, I am really missing your point here.

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    oh, cut the crap, Gen. you won't be in danger of losing your gentlemanly reputation by refraining to talk to me as if i'm a stripper. seriously, no matter how much of a good time you're having or how much of a gentleman you think she thinks you are. there's a line you won't cross and if you did cross it. your posts would be more suited for CC. i mean, you don't seem to have a problem serving up a reality check, albeit a lubed one, when necessary.
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    Yes, I do have a line. I am not a complete PL, existing only to blindly and mutely hand over my money. I do have an agenda that I wish to pursue. I just want to standup for and represent those of us whose agenda is somewhat less aggressive than "I want to chew bubblegum and stick my face in the ass of as many strippers as possible. Oh yeah, and I'm all out of bubblegum." To that end, I feel I must take issue when you argue your not-uncommon us-vs.-them all-strippers-are-money-leeches theories. As weak as my arguments are, from an evidentary standpoint, I still must argue them.
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    well, that's simply not true, Gen. besides, you can't lose something that you never had.
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    Which part is not true? That it is the only price I pay or that I am willing to pay it. As for not having it...well, you're probably right about nothing having Sandy's respect (does anyone?) or having sc_dude's respect (pretty good company to be in, as far as I am concerned) but not having your's? That hurts, it really does. C'mon...you must admit...sometimes, when no one is looking and you are all alone, you have a bit of a fantasy about being me. I will own to the reverse...I have thought about being you...just for a single night, in a single club...but I shake it off and realize that it is not my bag, baby...therefore, I cannot believe the reverse is not true. C'mon...it's just you and me, punky...you can admit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    You said that we PLs will roll over in order to feel like a gentleman or because they have us snowed. Where is the disadvantage?
    look below, you said it yourself...
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    Yes, if the custy is clueless, this could be very very bad.
    see? well, there you go.
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    But I was talking about us, the select group of custys known as "blueballers".
    and i was not. if i meant GW or specifically anyone else for that matter. i would have said it. then again, i'm not surprised. after all, you're the guy who started the hand-wringing thread, "i know they hate us".
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    Yes, I do have a line. I am not a complete PL, existing only to blindly and mutely hand over my money. I do have an agenda that I wish to pursue.
    well, there's your reality check, "mr-i'm-such-a-big-f#cking-gentleman-and-these-strippers-think-so-too".
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    To that end, I feel I must take issue when you argue your not-uncommon us-vs.-them all-strippers-are-money-leeches theories. As weak as my arguments are, from an evidentary standpoint, I still must argue them.
    true, that's weak as dish water.
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    Which part is not true?
    LOL..stop it, you're killing me. i was hoping you were going to do that. i swear, you're like the George Costanza of SCJ. except he's a lot less neurotic.
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    C'mon...you must admit...sometimes, when no one is looking and you are all alone, you have a bit of a fantasy about being me.
    honestly, i've never thought about it. however, if ever do have get the urge to go to a sc and be bored to tears. you'll be my role model.
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    and i was not. if i meant GW or specifically anyone else for that matter. i would have said it. then again, i'm not surprised. after all, you're the guy who started the hand-wringing thread, "i know they hate us".
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    ok. It wasn't clear. And I didn't start a threat about knowing they hated us. I started a thread about a chick who ripped off an idiot custy. People just pounced on my comment that they hate us.
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    QUOTE=mr_punk:
    well, there's your reality check, "mr-i'm-such-a-big-f#cking-gentleman-and-these-strippers-think-so-too".
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    Hardly. I don't think that any dancer I spend time with doesn't think that I want value for my money. Indeed, the best ones KNOW it and KNOW how to get access to said funds with as little work as possible. Which is fine...that is called, "being good at the job." And maybe them thinking I am a gentlemen is all SS...*shrug* then there are a LOT of dancers who are very good at SS. Even as self aware as I am, I would like to think that some of them can just appreciate a polite perv once in a while and aren't afraid to show it.
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    QUOTE=mr_punk:
    true, that's weak as dish water.
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    *sigh* Nature of the industry...
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    QUOTE=mr_punk:
    LOL..stop it, you're killing me. i was hoping you were going to do that. i swear, you're like the George Costanza of SCJ. except he's a lot less neurotic.
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    Damn, dude, you can be freaking obscure sometimes. I am not seeking approval (Lord knows, I've come to the WRONG place for that.) I am just trying to understand your point. You are great at picking people apart and at your analysis of the seedier side of our hobby but sometimes you just aren't as clear as you think you are. Frankly, I usually let it go...but I really wanted to get your meaning, there. *shrug*
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    honestly, i've never thought about it. however, if ever do have get the urge to go to a sc and be bored to tears. you'll be my role model.
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    Ha! So you do want to be me! I knew it. I'll send you a PM on how to choose the best seats for staring into nothingness and what drinks to order so they won't provide interesting stimulation thereby ruining the effect.

    -gen

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    Quote Originally Posted by easy_e
    Jenny makes a good point. How many SCJ's would leave their current SO's to marry/ have a serious relationship with their ATF's, if in fact that was possible?
    I guess it depends on if he is going to get a refund or not

    Seriously, there is no absolute rule. Just depends on the guy and the girl.

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    I like her a lot. And Im sure shes fond of me but mostly as a well paying customer. But she does makes me feel young and I enjoy her company so I dont mind spending...I can afford it usually. She loves the lotion massages I give her. I taught her how to be multi-orgasmic without actually fucking her other than the couple of oopsies . Tit for tat I guess. But no regular fuckee. She carries a condom in her purse...supposedly in case shes at a party and one of her friends need one So forgive me if once in a while I like to play a mind game or two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    ok. It wasn't clear. And I didn't start a threat about knowing they hated us. I started a thread about a chick who ripped off an idiot custy. People just pounced on my comment that they hate us.
    well, can you blame them? i mean, you're constantly gnashing your teeth about the subject.
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    Hardly. I don't think that any dancer I spend time with doesn't think that I want value for my money. Indeed, the best ones KNOW it and KNOW how to get access to said funds with as little work as possible. Which is fine...that is called, "being good at the job." And maybe them thinking I am a gentlemen is all SS...*shrug* then there are a LOT of dancers who are very good at SS. Even as self aware as I am, I would like to think that some of them can just appreciate a polite perv once in a while and aren't afraid to show it.
    LOL..you're still talking like i'm a stripper and you're Sir Lancelot bestowing largesse among the peasants. you don't know what these strippers are thinking. oh, you know what they tell you. furthermore, if they don't get with your program. you're going to show them the door, right? in the end, you buying pity dances for a stripper doesn't make you "patron saint of the strippers" except in your own head.
    Quote Originally Posted by GenWar
    Damn, dude, you can be freaking obscure sometimes. I am not seeking approval (Lord knows, I've come to the WRONG place for that.) I am just trying to understand your point. You are great at picking people apart and at your analysis of the seedier side of our hobby but sometimes you just aren't as clear as you think you are. Frankly, I usually let it go...but I really wanted to get your meaning, there. *shrug*
    first of all, George..er..Gen. it was a joke to pull yer chain. there's no need to overanalyze a joke. secondly, if you actually stopped overanalyzing every comment as if it pertains to you. well, perhaps it wouldn't sound as if you're looking for approval.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage
    I guess it depends on if he is going to get a refund or not

    Seriously, there is no absolute rule. Just depends on the guy and the girl.
    Agreed, but what I was getting at is the infatuation we PL's get over certain dancers, which can be somewhat diminished by actually living with them on a daily basis as opposed to seeing only the club/escort persona. Incidently, I define PL rather broadly as any customer who goes beyond the "how much to fuck you" line and actually views the dancer as a human being. The mind game is that even if the infatuation is mutual, how many would take it to the next level rather than keep things safely in "play for pay" mode.
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    Quote Originally Posted by easy_e
    Agreed, but what I was getting at is the infatuation we PL's get over certain dancers, which can be somewhat diminished by actually living with them on a daily basis as opposed to seeing only the club/escort persona.
    live with them? LOL...a customer doesn't need that high of a threshold to find out his ATF isn't a girl scout.
    Quote Originally Posted by easy_e
    Incidently, I define PL rather broadly as any customer who goes beyond the "how much to fuck you" line and actually views the dancer as a human being.
    no, he doesn't view her as human being. it's more like an ethereal temple virgin who is saving her chastity for him.
    Quote Originally Posted by easy_e
    The mind game is that even if the infatuation is mutual, how many would take it to the next level rather than keep things safely in "play for pay" mode.
    it would depend on what one has to lose (or gain) by going down that road.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_punk
    it would depend on what one has to lose (or gain) by going down that road.
    Precisely.

    Quote Originally Posted by easy_e
    Agreed, but what I was getting at is the infatuation we PL's get over certain dancers, which can be somewhat diminished by actually living with them on a daily basis as opposed to seeing only the club/escort persona.
    I'm not into the ATF thing myself. I don't really see the point. Seems like variety and freedom to choose is one of the benefits of the SC, so why focus strictly on one? But ya, well it depends on many factors.

    Is she a psycho a bitch? If so she might make a fun lay but any sane guy is going to pick up on that pretty damn quick and realize she is going to make his life a living hell.

    Is this the kind of guy that grows bored quickly and has a new ATF every month... well you know.

    Is the guy the type that can deal with his woman sucking on another man's (fill in the blank) for a living. By blank I meant "ear" of course. Not every guy can handle that.

    Maybe the guy is overall happy with his SO but the sex life has grown boring. It happens. Doesn't mean the guy wants to give up all the good for that, just wants something to suppliment what's missing.

    Maybe they really click chemically and personality wise in ways that the guy and his SO never have and never will click.

    And so on.
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