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    stat, it was a tongue in cheek comment. I mean about the leprosy thing. Sorry if it came across as serious. But I do believe (as I have stated previously) your good mileage should be more persuasive than faux intimacy with your dancer friend. Just saying.

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    No worries FBR, I took no offense. To reiterate, yeah I could go for a nice VIP right about now instead of this OTC false hope. Or so I say. Wait until she calls again and lays it on thick enough to turn me into a PL.
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    Miss D is leaving on vacation Sunday. She's going to Myrtle Beach with her parents for a week (yeah I know vacationing with the parentals is dorky but she's very close to them). Anyway, we're getting together Saturday for an RR lotion fun send off. I'm planning to slip her a couple hundred extra over and above the 5 small for the encounter. You know, just to give her some walking around money while she's there. The junkie side of me says that is so lame but dammit I want to do it. So I figured I would post the intended transgression here so ya'll could flagellate me publicly

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    PS: Before you remind me, I know for 700 she should fuck my brains out but I keep rationalizing the faux sex and thinking someday...
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    FBR, all this time I thought you and Miss D had already been having sex.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    So I figured I would post the intended transgression here so ya'll could flagellate me publicly
    ...but at least you got a party invite . Keep the money FBR, I'm sure her mommy and daddy will provide her with plenty of walking around money for the trip.

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    No stat for three years it has been faux sex (by Bill Clinton standards) discounting a couple of "accidental" momentary penetrations. Not what I have truly wanted but I'm still hanging with her after three years.

    I reported all this years ago but it's still kinda fun to recollect. I met Miss D back in early '04. At the time I was hanging out with the flockettes in general and Miss B specifically. I was honed in on Miss B and after considerable time and effort I did wind up fucking her for money (it was her first paid OTC experience). My timing was bad in that she was just entering a relationship. Remember Boat Dude? Anyways, she cut me off but we were still hanging out at the club albeit with some tension (you know, once you cross a line it's hard to go back).

    One afternoon I was at the club with only a couple of the flockettes at my table. Miss B wasn't working. This hot blond with Lady Godiva hair stopped by the table and joined us. I didn't consider it an intrusion since my table was known to be open to dancers other than the handful that were annoying. She introduced herself as Miss D. I recognized her from seeing her on stage but had never tipped her or talked to her. We got to chit chatting back and forth and I really liked her looks and personality.

    I don't remember if we did dances that day or if it was during a later visit but we did wind up heading for the LD area. Her dances were excellent. Over time I wound up looking for her when I visited and also over time her dances got even better. Lots of CG, RCG and reach around (hidden by her very long hair). Management either didn't see it (there were cameras) or didn't care.

    It was probably a month or two later when while we were doing some dances she casually asked if I would be interested in what she called a "private party" OTC. I wasn't sure exactly what she meant...I knew that some dancers will do off site nude dancing but with no serious sexual contact. Of course I was interested and asked her how much. She said 250 but no sex...just oral (thus the Bill Clinton reference) ). I accepted her offer, we set it up and did the deed at a local Holiday Inn a week or so later. I set a precedent by insisting that we have a meal before hand (I guess I wanted it to feel like a real date...I'm old fashioned that way). When we hooked up, I was surprisingly relaxed and not nervous like I was during my first encounter with my old Indy ATF and Miss B. And had there been any confidence issues on my part, they would have been dispelled when she cummed. Miss D isn't technically a "squirter" but she's close.

    It was casual and infrequent at first but over time we started seeing each other more regularly, like several Saturdays a month. One Saturday, I offered to give her a massage. I like doing that, thought it might be fun foreplay and she was up for it. I guess I did OK because she suggested that she bring some lotion next time to make it smoother. The next time she did and it really added a lot to her enjoyment. The lotion was a lock at that point.

    I think I had a frisky moment some time later. During the course of a massage while she was lying face down, I applied a substantial amount of lotion of her ass and did stat bed dance but in reverse with me being on top instead of her. She came violently within seconds. We were both like, Holy Shit She came quicker than when doing oral. I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer sometimes but I recognized that this was good stuff So we continued with the lotion assistance and in fact the lotion humping wound up becoming our main act rather than foreplay. And with practice and thinking about work instead of what was going on I was able to hang on long enough to teach her to be multi-orgasmic. 3 on a "bad" day but 5 when the stars align and I can hang on for dear life

    So that is where we are today. And as I read over what I have written, it's really not that bad. I have my happy ending (only one...I'm old) and she has several But dammit, I so want to fuck her...at least once. I mean, it's the principle of the thing

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    ...but at least you got a party invite . Keep the money FBR, I'm sure her mommy and daddy will provide her with plenty of walking around money for the trip.
    RH, you are supposed to be supportive, not sarcastic. I mean, we are a "band of brothers" here, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    RH, you are supposed to be supportive, not sarcastic. I mean, we are a "band of brothers" here, right?
    ...but you asked for flagellation .

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    I'd be so bored of 3 years of massage and 69 with no actual fucking. But then again, that's my taste. If you are enjoying it enough to keep paying for it, go on with your bad self. But it seems like you have sort-of a two wife thing going on?

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    RH, you are supposed to be supportive, not sarcastic. I mean, we are a "band of brothers" here, right?
    I'm with Kat; I just don't get your methodology either. Not that I'd begrudge you your OTC action by any means, but I just don't get the lack of variety and stunted sexual options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    ...but you asked for flagellation .
    RH, the winky at the end of my post was tacit acceptance of same.

    Carry on, sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    RH, the winky at the end of my post was tacit acceptance of same.

    Carry on, sir

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    Come on now FBR, you know it's just a little ball busting amongst friends don't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    I'd be so bored of 3 years of massage and 69 with no actual fucking. But then again, that's my taste. If you are enjoying it enough to keep paying for it, go on with your bad self. But it seems like you have sort-of a two wife thing going on?
    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer
    I'm with Kat; I just don't get your methodology either. Not that I'd begrudge you your OTC action by any means, but I just don't get the lack of variety and stunted sexual options.
    It is still fun sexually (OK..faux sexually). And I like her as a person which does add a component that I enjoy. But in spite of me thinking sometimes that I see a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, in my heart of heart I know that full fledged fucking is a non starter, party invitations or no.

    So I could just carry on. Or push harder for fucking. Or go see escorts from time to time. With an escort it is a guaranteed thing and they are pretty good actresses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard_Head View Post
    Come on now FBR, you know it's just a little ball busting amongst friends don't you?
    Of course

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    I have some limited experience dating dancers, in my younger days, in actual BF/GF situations, have more than a few dancer gal pals I hang around with, and see any number of dancers outside of their respective clubs for, ummm, well... compensated socializing [they wouldn't call it paid sexual encounters, so I won't].

    From my observations though all that is probably the last thing an experienced S-C Junkie would probably want to discuss within this walls. For it is my observation that nothing gets some fellows in trouble faster than mentioning they have friends who are strippers, or see strippers for casual sexual encounters, paid or otherwise, outside of the club.

    If its not the other Junkies telling the guy he is full of crap it some of the dancers saying he is full of it because no self respecting dancer sees customers outside the club, ESPECIALLY IF ACTUAL SEX IS INVOLVED, "YUCK!", calls of cooties, and all that.

    I have any number of incidents to share. Some might even be interesting. Still...

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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    From my observations though all that is probably the last thing an experienced S-C Junkie would probably want to discuss within this walls. For it is my observation that nothing gets some fellows in trouble faster than mentioning they have friends who are strippers, or see strippers for casual sexual encounters, paid or otherwise, outside of the club.

    If its not the other Junkies telling the guy he is full of crap it some of the dancers saying he is full of it because no self respecting dancer sees customers outside the club, ESPECIALLY IF ACTUAL SEX IS INVOLVED, "YUCK!", calls of cooties, and all that.

    I have any number of incidents to share. Some might even be interesting. Still...


    {checking to see if I have decent cover to duck if anyone starts shooting}
    Within the metaphorical virtual walls of stripclubjunkie.com or a strip club? In here - what do you think this thread is for? So guys can sit around talking about their sex lives with complete strangers because bragging to your buddies is part of the point of having it Knock yourself out. Everyone will be fascinated. Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it.

    In a stripclub - I'd say it's more that nobody cares. I mean - I'm a stripper. I know perfectly well that being friends with me, and sleeping with me is not a particular feat - it doesn't make you particularly deserving as a person or improve your character or show that you are anything particularly incredible. When guys tell me that they dated a stripper or know a stripper or whatever it is usually a precursor for "and since I know a stripper somewhere you should give me special treatment" (and like I said - I know perfectly well it doesn't make you particularly deserving; you get nothing from me because you once dated a stripper except the presumption that you know I expect to sell you a dance).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Within the metaphorical virtual walls of stripclubjunkie.com or a strip club? In here - what do you think this thread is for? So guys can sit around talking about their sex lives with complete strangers because bragging to your buddies is part of the point of having it Knock yourself out. Everyone will be fascinated. Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it.
    Do you think that is truly all there is to it?

    If you are right that is pretty damn sad.

    I am being absolutely forth-coming when I tell you that the only reason I would want to talk about such things is to exchange information. Play give a little, take a little in the learning arena. If not that than what is the point? Simply bragging in a strip-club forum is mental masturbation. While there is nothing wrong with jerking off it really doesn't get you very far at the end of the day and can be, in excess, a horrible time waster.

    I thought it was more about finding out how to have more fun. How to extract that fun while causing the least amount of pain. To the point of zero pain if possible. How to be fair with people and have them be fair with you. Stuff like that. That's the reason to exchange and dissect these stories. To see where others went right, and wrong, and then apply it.

    We are going to do these things anyway, folks like you and me. Why not do them as best we can and have some fun doing it. There is an art to it, like anything else, and art takes a little prep work and a desire to learn how to use the brush, paints, clay and the like. Yes? To me that is what boards like this are good for. This is art class. We are all teachers. We are all students.


    In a strip-club - I'd say it's more that nobody cares. I mean - I'm a stripper. I know perfectly well that being friends with me, and sleeping with me is not a particular feat - it doesn't make you particularly deserving as a person or improve your character or show that you are anything particularly incredible.
    I understand and sort of agree, except that to say that people are people. If you are a cool person than getting to know you, sleep with you [I presume you mean in a relationship], etc, may not be a feat but it might improve one's character. People have a way of sort of rubbing off on each other, for better or worse. At the very least it might mean that the guy is a decent enough fellow to attract the attention of a decent person in return.

    When guys tell me that they dated a stripper or know a stripper or whatever it is usually a precursor for "and since I know a stripper somewhere you should give me special treatment" (and like I said - I know perfectly well it doesn't make you particularly deserving; you get nothing from me because you once dated a stripper except the presumption that you know I expect to sell you a dance).
    I would suppose it can mean that, but it is very sad when it does. Doesn't say much for the guy. Might not say much for the gal who continues to place herself in the way of it either. Two sides to ever coin, and all that. Since you don't put up for that crap I will assume that doesn't apply to you.

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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    So guys can sit around talking about their sex lives with complete strangers because bragging to your buddies is part of the point of having it Knock yourself out. Everyone will be fascinated. Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it.
    Now how come when women talk about sex in excruciatingly gross detail with each other, it's "sharing," but when men do (in usually less detail) it's "bragging?"
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    omg, why is it so huge?!! lol lol

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    Good question - maybe just because that tends to be how it is divided? Seriously - in some other thread here you have guys talking about how it is better than sex to be seen with the most desired (that is most commodified) girl in the room. You can't deny that women and sex has something to do with how you guy apportion status among yourselves.

    Golden Rule - I'm sorry I impugned your educational mission on how to nail strippers. I should have realized that "bragging" would be beneath you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    Now how come when women talk about sex in excruciatingly gross detail with each other, it's "sharing," but when men do (in usually less detail) it's "bragging?"
    Simple. If you would don your "women are good, men are bad" glasses you'd see the difference too.

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    I would put mine on, but I think Jenny swiped them from me...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crizgolfer View Post
    I would put mine on, but I think Jenny swiped them from me...
    Well, you know. Strippers do like to steal shit. I prefer wallets, but I'll take what I can get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    Well, you know. Strippers do like to steal shit. I prefer wallets, but I'll take what I can get.

    ...Checking for wallet....

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    Quote Originally Posted by crizgolfer View Post
    ...Checking for wallet....
    Oh, that's gone. Hence all the distraction.
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    /shrug

    I think people tend to what they do because they get something out of it, so whether it bolsters their sense of self-esteem by way of "bonding", or "ego boosting", it's all six of one half a dozen of the other to me. The fact is they both do it, and they both get some emotional sense of pleasure out of it. Let's not forget too, these boards are filled with posts from women who like to talk about how they get more money out of men, literally brag about it. There are differences between the sexes for sure, but in the big picture they are a lot more alike then dissimilar.

    More interesting though is what does J get out of posting here? Let's see... entirely predictable...

    "Personally I think there is something gross and disrespectful about it, but the boys don't really feel they've done it until they've bragged about it."

    In other words, her reason for posting this was to tell us we are gross for having these discussions, and to take another opportunity to call us "boys" vs say men (i.e., to be disrespectful and to get her insults in). The rest of it is just a bunch of noise to dance around the basic facts that she comes in here to get rocks off by insulting us. But hey, if everyone is cool with it and/or unable to see it but me, that's cool. Sometimes when you are in the minority you are wrong. Sometimes you're right. I seem to be in the minority in seeing this but it seems entirely clear to me that this was just another men suck post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    PS: Before you remind me, I know for 700 she should fuck my brains out but I keep rationalizing the faux sex and thinking someday...
    for $700 you should not only pound, pillage and plunder every orifice in her body at least three times (including ATM). she should also defibrillate your heart afterwards, along with waxing, buffing and rotating the tires of your car, cleaning your golf clubs. well, you get the point...
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