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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    So what do I want? (2) with no more OTC-carrot-dangling from her, and no awkwardness due to either of us having to be rude to the other. How to get it? Head ITC tonight, get some great VIP dances, and politely decline any other offer. I suspect in time she'll stop asking to hang out OTC.
    LOL..i knew this wasn't going to work even before i read your TR. you're far too willing to put up with her crap and delivering a reality check by politely tickling her with a feather doesn't always work, lestat. sometimes, a baseball bat works wonders for getting the point across. repeat when necessary.
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    Day-um I had a great VIP!
    sure, until you get tired of her shit again.
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    Hehe, mr_p, I'm sure my VIP exploits are tame compared to your experiences, but my ATF's VIPs are just the level of mileage I'm looking for, and damned affordable too. While her OTC SS is tiring, with 100% consistency in giving me superb dances and VIP experiences over the years, isn't the business all that really matters? I'm damned happy with my trips ITC to see her, and that's where the money changes hands. When the business is that good, the rest is small stuff.
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    omg, why is it so huge?!! lol lol

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    I told you what would happen 'stat, sweet dove. Kat will never steer you wrong. And moreover, I think you like it. Had it not been for your trusty pals here at SCJ, you probably wouldn't even be aware of what it actually is!

    Our work here is done boys.

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    If a cupcake was tossed at me... well, I'd only be upset if it missed my mouth

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    In terms of pure mileage stat is getting a lot for the money he is spending . He's finally getting his arms around that, I think. Well done, young Jedi

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    I am having Miss D withdrawals She's in Vegas with her girlfriend until Sunday. All I have are some pictures she recently gave me to keep me warm. OTOH though, I have gotten a lot of work done this week.

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    Miss D has been jonesin' for a pearl white Escadale EXT for months now. I discouraged her because of the gas mileage. Plus her Mits Eclipse is paid for. Being practical, you know. So I was surprised when she called me to let me know she bought this EXT today. Low miles and very clean. She got a good deal on it (about 4K under retail) and is all excited about putting girly pink decorative lighting on it. I'm sure she will look good driving it around (she is very hot ) but I feel like her dad when thinking "Cars are generally bad investments especially when you can't write them off as a business expense".

    Ah, to be 27 again and not worrying about that stuff.

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    And there drives off your retirement, with custom pink lights.

    "Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia M
    If a cupcake was tossed at me... well, I'd only be upset if it missed my mouth

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    And there drives off your retirement, with custom pink lights.
    Kat LOL

    Yeah I know. Miss D has been frugal over the years in terms of accumulating money. She put a large down payment on this toy and is already hinting for some help. I'm being mean and non-committal. I suppose I could say uh...here's three large...let's fuck. Not that I would do that of course.

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    The true cost of OTC. Vague boundaries and open ended expectations. You say this gal is in graduate school? Doesn't show much sense.

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    She's in grad school, but getting a master's in poetry or some shit. Right FBR? Why is she "hinting" at help. Its her responsibility, and you know she can afford it if she's half the top-dog you say she is. Again, this is so much like a marriage. But I guess she's giving up even more than Mrs. FBR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia M
    If a cupcake was tossed at me... well, I'd only be upset if it missed my mouth

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    ^^^ Just to clarify she has her masters in English. She is working on her Ph.D in English composition and rhetoric and will be going on the job market this fall. I don't think college professors make all that much until they become tenured, though.

    Kat, she may not be a club top dog at all. I believe she is but I don't have access to her financial records. I can only go by what she and others tell me. Oh, and as far as the sex vis a vis Mrs FBR goes, thats my business.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smokeless
    The true cost of OTC. Vague boundaries and open ended expectations. You say this gal is in graduate school? Doesn't show much sense.
    Tell us about all your OTC experiences and what you learned from them. I would be glad then to discuss the pros and cons with you. But I can't argue with your last statement though. Had she given me the opportunity, I would have tried to convince her to consider other alternatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    ^^^ Just to clarify she has her masters in English. She is working on her Ph.D in English composition and rhetoric and will be going on the job market this fall. I don't think college professors make all that much until they become tenured, though.

    Kat, she may not be a club top dog at all. I believe she is but I don't have access to her financial records. I can only go by what she and others tell me. Oh, and as far as the sex vis a vis Mrs FBR goes, thats my business.
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    Rawr, kitten has claws! My statement was rhetorical.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mia M
    If a cupcake was tossed at me... well, I'd only be upset if it missed my mouth

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    I know I'm a cheap bastard, but I have a hard time believing that there is pussy or a car worth $30,000 or more.

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    ^^^

    Damn, I lust over a few cars I'd gladly pay far more then $30K for. I guess my priorities are out of wack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xdamage View Post
    ^^^

    Damn, I lust over a few cars I'd gladly pay far more then $30K for. I guess my priorities are out of wack.
    Lusting is one thing, but paying for cars in lieu of health insurance, retirement, mortgage, etc. is plain asinine. I've seen a few people driving $50,000 autos who lost their homes because they couldn't afford their lifestyle.

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    ^^^

    True, but I pay cash for cars. I hate being in debt and car payments. The house was too much to pay cash, but yea, people shouldn't buy shit they can't afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    Lusting is one thing, but paying for cars in lieu of health insurance, retirement, mortgage, etc. is plain asinine. I've seen a few people driving $50,000 autos who lost their homes because they couldn't afford their lifestyle.
    Me too! Especially in stripping, and even when I first changed to my financial firm. I would try to meet as many people as possible, and saw all this. Its a shame, the fabric of this country is coming apart...right in the middle!

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    If a cupcake was tossed at me... well, I'd only be upset if it missed my mouth

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    ^^^

    Yep, and just to be clear, I'm 100% agreement with the idea that toys and luxuries come after one has paid for the more important things like retirement, insurance, kids college, mortgage, etc. Sadly too many people get their priorities backwards. Me, I'm one of those middle aged guys now who is slowly but surely reaping a few rewards, but in my younger years I lived very frugally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howie View Post
    I know I'm a cheap bastard, but I have a hard time believing that there is pussy or a car worth $30,000 or more.
    I don't think it makes you cheap. It's just that those items or activities aren't worth that price to you. Maybe if the number was, say, $10,000 it would be worth it

    It is pretty amazing what guys will pay and how they view the ROI. Certainly, it's pretty unanimous here that I pay way more than most would for what I get. The dancer I've mentioned earlier with the two big spending regulars keeps her boys coming back with VIP make out/pseudo high school back seat groping sessions. She doesn't see them OTC but they keep returning so clearly they are getting what they want or perhaps more likely, what they need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Rawr, kitten has claws! My statement was rhetorical.....
    Kat, I didn't take it as such but I shouldn't have snapped atcha regardless. While I spew all sorts of stuff about Miss D (which is appropriate in this OTC thread and fair game for comments) I prefer not to get into discussions about my wife.

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    How odd, and I here I've had my eye on droppin $40,000 on my next car. Granted, I've got at least 5 more years until I'm ready to buy, and I'll have enough to buy it outright in 1-2 years. Mmmm Jaguar X-class (sure, it's the low-end poor man's Jaguar, but it's still nice). I'm a saver, this would be one of my rare splurge on something moments (VIPs excluded).
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    omg, why is it so huge?!! lol lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by lestat1 View Post
    Thanks to everyone for their replies. As I've said before I always listen to advice, then combine it with what I know and decide what to do.

    Jenny,
    I carefully avoided ever expressing a preference to her regarding customer versus friend. I said I would be fine with either one, but that "both" would be awkward. The truth, if I'm really honest with myself, puts my preferences like so:

    (1) Friends with possibility of "more"
    (2) Professional relationship
    (3) Just friends

    with (1) being way in the lead, and (2) and (3) very close.

    A month ago I thought (1) and (3) had a one-in-a-million, and one-in-a-thousand chance, respectively. After a month of her flakiness and the advice on here, I think they're basically zero.

    So what do I want? (2) with no more OTC-carrot-dangling from her, and no awkwardness due to either of us having to be rude to the other. How to get it? Head ITC tonight, get some great VIP dances, and politely decline any other offer. I suspect in time she'll stop asking to hang out OTC.

    Sounds simple, stay tuned to see how it goes/went...


    (If nothing else, I got to discuss drama for several pages, which is more excitement than I usually have! LOL)
    No, you don't want 2, you want 1!

    You're just feeling doubt and uneasiness because of the way she treated you. In part this is because of the way you have treated yourself, as well as her. By not stating firmly what it is that you want and putting it into terms like "whichever you prefer" she doesn't know exactly what you want and she is just mirroring your indecisiveness. You deserve, and she deserves too for you to make what you want clear. By being afraid to make a choice and stand by it you have disrespected the both of you. Her offer and your desire.

    Frankly, I can't blame the girl. You don't seem to really care if she is your friend, why should she? Just my opinion, maybe I missed something. I'm coming from the frame that if you were her friend you would tell her off on her behavior, what person are you friends with would you put up with all that BS? So she knows you being her friend is just a game to you. A means to another end.

    It may be too late here but in the future let it hang out what you want and be ok with whatever happens. You'll be happier that way. It has to be done in a way that let's her know if she says ok to #1 that it will have to be done in a way that respects you and your time, and you will hers in return. If not, she will never hear from you again.

    Just lay it down, dude. Who gives a damn, there's so many women out there.

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    Miss D officially goes on the job market 9/14 since she's in the last few months of her doctorate. She has already received an offer from a university in California. I teased her a bit about phone sex being our only option if she accepts the position. I was kidding, of course, but I think she took me seriously LOL

    I've had a lot of fun in my happy world for the last three years. OK, not the Full Monty but pretty good for an old guy. But still, I don't think talking on the phone would be an acceptable substitute for my dick smacking around her lotion covered ass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post

    I've had a lot of fun in my happy world for the last three years. OK, not the Full Monty but pretty good for an old guy. But still, I don't think talking on the phone would be an acceptable substitute for my dick smacking around her lotion covered ass.

    FBR
    FBR: I have a formerstripper-nowsecort-webcam lady that I've known for about three years. She lives in South Jersey and I see her when I travel to Philly or NYC for work. We tried the web cam thing a few times when she was taking a break from escorting last year. It was OK but when I saw her face to face again(and genital to genital) about a month ago I realized that the cam thing really wasn't doing it-not even close. I can't imagine a phone call doing it either.

    I guess the moral to the story is enjoy OTC with that special gal while it lasts. Sooner or later these ladies move on with their lives and us old pervs wind up as a memory.
    If it's any help, NJ lady replaced the gal before her who I thought could never be replaced. You never know what's gonna happen and when the next great lady will come along...I still miss them all.
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    ^^ Her committee requires that she apply to a minimum of 30 universities. She's working from a list of around 150 schools but not all have openings in her specific field. Some are within 3 hours or so of here...Purdue, Ball State, Univ of Ky, and a few others. But she's also applying to universities in Michigan, South Carolina, NY state, DC, Florida and other far away places. I'm confident she will make the right career choice whatever it turns out to be.

    3 hours is workable although that distance would require more planning. And would obviously nix the spontaneous lunch or afternoon drinks which truly are enjoyable. But 6 or 8 or more hours would mean very, very occasional personal contact and as Yoda said, webcam/phone stuff grows tiresome quickly. And as I mentioned to her today at lunch it would be perfectly natural for her to settle into a whole new circle of friends in her new locale and lose touch with those she left behind.

    Miss D is very attractive (I think Jay Z would attest..he has seen her pics ) plus she has the personality that works for me. I'm sure there are other strippers out there of equal merit but I don't know if I have the energy any more for the chase.

    The next several months should be interesting.

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