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    FBR; you are so naive.

    Why would she "test" you? What does she have to gain? She's neither in 7th grade nor your girlfriend - I mean she already knows that you aren't faithful what with being married and all.

    Does she normally invite other dancers out on your "dates"? Offhand, if I were hypothesizing, I might think you were getting "passed off." I can't imagine why I would, as a professional girlfriend, invite another professional girlfriend out with a paying client; similarly I can't imagine why I'd want to go; I'd be all "meet you for lunch with a customer... thanks I'd rather stay home and watch the movie network." Of course I'm unfriendly; maybe to other people this is normal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    FBR; you are so naive.

    Why would she "test" you? What does she have to gain? She's neither in 7th grade nor your girlfriend - I mean she already knows that you aren't faithful what with being married and all.

    Does she normally invite other dancers out on your "dates"? Offhand, if I were hypothesizing, I might think you were getting "passed off." I can't imagine why I would, as a professional girlfriend, invite another professional girlfriend out with a paying client; similarly I can't imagine why I'd want to go; I'd be all "meet you for lunch with a customer... thanks I'd rather stay home and watch the movie network." Of course I'm unfriendly; maybe to other people this is normal?
    Jenny I am faithful in my unfaithfulness. I only fool around with one stripper at a time. You know that. I'm hurt that you would suggest otherwise.

    As far as Miss D inviting her...I dunno. They had their hair done simultaneously at the same place prior to the late lunch so maybe it was a girl convenience thing and they both happened to be hungry.

    Anyways, now you have made me depressed. Thank you for being mean. But I guess I was owed that one.

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    Why would that depress you? Attractive, willowy fresh meat that might actually put out. I think that sounds positively cheery. Come on. Chin up, mate.
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    FBR, go to tiava.com and find the FFM movies. Study them like game films, because that's where you're gonna be same time next month.

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    Isn't Miss D leaving to work at a uni outside of your town? Perhaps she was doing the courteous thing and trying to ensure you are not lonely upon her departure.

    Either way....there is about a .5% chance that this was a test. She isn't your girlfriend!

    Also, back when I danced, I couldn't stop flirting with anyone and everyone, all the time. It was difficult to get out of the "stripper mode" sometimes. Especially around sexy, older men that reeked of prestige, not unlike yourself. If we apply the rule of parsimony, the other girl was probably flirting because she could. Skills, like talons, always need sharpening and refining! You might have been her scratching post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Had drinks and a bite to eat late this afternoon with Miss D and her new stripper friend Miss A. Miss A is a newbie dancer and is just learning the ropes. She's pretty cute in a willowy kind of way. Anyways, Miss D went to the ladies and while she was gone Miss A turned the burner up a notch or two. I stayed friendly but reserved...I mean...it could have been a test. Plus I always keep the "bird in the hand" theory in mind. But assuming it wasn't a co-conspiracy I wonder how long it will be before they are clawing each other's eyeballs out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine
    Isn't Miss D leaving to work at a uni outside of your town? Perhaps she was doing the courteous thing and trying to ensure you are not lonely upon her departure.
    I dunno whats going on with it, Kat. The last I heard she is going back and forth with Ball State and U of Michigan. She could commute to Ball State but not Michigan. So maybe she is leaning towards Michigan and unbeknownst to me is doing a subtle pass off.

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    Dude, maybe she wants a threesome!
    Ha! Well, I've made my preference for straight women pretty clear

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    Plus I always keep the "bird in the hand" theory in mind.
    Dude, you don't have the bird in the hand. Your definition of P4P is rather incomplete, compared to more objective standards of performance.
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    Wouldn't it be sort of funny if it turned out that she has three of you, and she was never as reliant on your income as you thought? She probably got three tvs this christmas. She returned yours, or put it in the bathroom or something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Casual Observer View Post
    Dude, you don't have the bird in the hand. Your definition of P4P is rather incomplete, compared to more objective standards of performance.
    CO I understand your point and I can see how my behavior regarding Miss D seems lame. I have fucked a few strippers (all for money though just to clarify that I'm not trying to come across as a studmuffin who can get stripper pussy for free). I admit I have let Miss D nuke what I know is the POP index.

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    Wouldn't it be sort of funny if it turned out that she has three of you, and she was never as reliant on your income as you thought? She probably got three tvs this christmas. She returned yours, or put it in the bathroom or something.
    Actually, no Jenny. I don't think that would be funny at all.

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    Actually, no Jenny. I don't think that would be funny at all.

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    In a few months when you are actually fucking this new chick in exchange for slightly less money you'll see the humour. Oh, oh - and then, to maintain your control over the relationship you can occasionally sigh and say things like "You know, you're no Miss D." Keep her on her toes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    In a few months when you are actually fucking this new chick in exchange for slightly less money you'll see the humour. Oh, oh - and then, to maintain your control over the relationship you can occasionally sigh and say things like "You know, you're no Miss D." Keep her on her toes.
    Oh, oh - and since you got me on a roll, Miss D is a squirter. Which is any guys best dream. Should I just throw that into the mix too...you know..just to really create a challenge for the new chick?

    Jenny, I am so glad you jumped into this thread. Your ideas are inspirational.

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    [disclaimer=joke here!]Well, I'm all about the female manipulation.[/disclaimer]
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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    The last I heard she is going back and forth with Ball State and U of Michigan.
    FBR, trust me, your worst case scenario is the Red Roof Inn in Findlay.

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    Oh, oh - and since you got me on a roll, Miss D is a squirter. Which is any guys best dream.
    Really? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FBR View Post
    Oh, oh - and since you got me on a roll, Miss D is a squirter. Which is any guys best dream. Should I just throw that into the mix too...you know..just to really create a challenge for the new chick?
    Sorry FBR, not my fantasy at all. I got hit once when I was south of the border and it left me scared for life...or at least until I found another gal that loved DATY and wasn't a squirter...

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    Really? Why?
    Beats the heck out of me Kat. I know a girl who does web cam and way more than half the guys who log on ask her if she squirts before they pony-up the three dollars a minute to watch her...she doesn't and still does OK so it must not be a deal-breaker but it does seem to be on a lot of guy's minds...
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    ^^^
    I think it's tied into the idea that "she can't fake it".
    I don't find many guys have a particularly good intuitive sense about paid sexuality.
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    Sure she can fake it. She can just pee!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny View Post
    ^^^
    I think it's tied into the idea that "she can't fake it".
    I don't find many guys have a particularly good intuitive sense about paid sexuality.
    I never thought about it that way but it makes perfect sense! I agree, many guys who pay for sex have extreme issues with the fact that the woman's enjoyment will not always be genuine. Threads pop up on TER discussion boards frequently among guys who claim that all orgasms by providers are faked and providers who tell them that is not necessarily the case.
    Squirting would certainly be a very visual end result of an actual orgasm (God forbid the guy should pay enough attention to KNOW if the lady is having a good time but that is of course why a lot of guys are paying to begin with)

    Then again, there is a whole school of thought that says squirting is just peeing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Sure she can fake it. She can just pee!
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    Then again, there is a whole school of thought that says squirting is just peeing...
    Damn!
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    You and I yoda. We are one kindred spirit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Sure she can fake it. She can just pee!
    Kat, I should not have described her as a "squirter". Very bad choice of words on my part. I know the fake porn stuff you are referring to. What I should have said was that she ejects a considerable girl juice when she cums. Which is affirmation (to me) that she isn't faking her pleasure. But it doesn't shoot out of her pussy like a fire hose. More like a nicely warm and gentle stream

    Yoda, I assume that you were thinking along the same lines as Kat but that you do enjoy a woman who gets really, really juicy.

    Having argued the merits of physical evidence of her satisfaction, one could make the case that her pleasure or lack thereof is irrelevant considering that it is play for pay anyway and not a true romantic relationship.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jenny
    I think it's tied into the idea that "she can't fake it".
    I don't find many guys have a particularly good intuitive sense about paid sexuality.
    That hits home. My first wife faked it for 3 years. I was clueless and bought into all her moaning and moving around and relied more on my delusions of husband/wife bonding, hearth and home etc. Now I guess I rely on physical evidence.

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    Having argued the merits of physical evidence of her satisfaction, one could make the case that her pleasure or lack thereof is irrelevant considering that it is play for pay anyway and not a true romantic relationship.
    Not irrelevant at all. Most men care about the provider's pleasure as an indicator of their own prowess and virility. Most johns are like you and yoda than like Punkita or aggied.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Katrine View Post
    Not irrelevant at all. Most men care about the provider's pleasure as an indicator of their own prowess and virility. Most johns are like you and yoda than like Punkita or aggied.
    Kat I agree. But with a qualifier that Punk's SCJ published escapades have been confined to the club. Perhaps OTC he is a lover par excellence. He never talks about it so it is a mystery.

    But still, and back to my point, why should we care? I mean, I pay Miss D 5 small for an RR. Honest to god, she cums 3-5 times. I cum once. If I put forth way less effort and she only cummed once or maybe not at all, would she refuse the next appointment? I mean, to do so because of infrequent cums could be an admission that there is a component beyond the money.

    I'd be interested in your and other opinions on that. Of course, I will still continue to try and set a new record. She has yet to cum six times

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    Well, FBR - make use of your intuition there. Do you think the money or the orgasm is what is motivating her? I have actually tried to explain the entire thing to a couple guys; the responses I get range from full out blank looks to "You know what, I trust you - I don't get it, but I'm sure you're right." Guys have difficulty with this because they really cannot intuitively connect to the idea that their sexuality might not be an end in and of itself, but a means for someone else. I think it is a socialization thing.

    I mean, my nerve endings don't turn off when I'm giving a lapdance. But it is a different quality of experience - much the way you might see jerking off as a different quality experience to getting off with a partner. I mean you reach orgasm - but it's not the same. It is generally a more mechanical experience; it is not the same as having a recreational encounter. I am only one sex worker; do with my experience, and the experiences of the women with whom I've discussed the matter, what you will.
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