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    Default Shouldn't Paying More Get You More*

    You might have seen that asterisk in the heading. Since we all have different tastes in what we want out of our SC experience, I'll leave it up to everyone to define what "more" means to them. We were having a discussion in Hustle Hut regarding VIP rooms and why so many guys inquire about "what goes on in there".

    http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/ind...le/t10024.html

    Call me nuts, but if a dancer is trying to get you to upgrade to a more expensive dance (or a long session of them), isn't it within reason to inquire what is going to be so great about the upgrade that justifies the higher price tag? Here were some of the suggestions that I was given why a guy will spring for the VIP (aside from expectations of increased mileage).

    Quote Originally Posted by Tigerlilly link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg120952#msg120 952 date=1086978513
    Some like it because it is more quiet ( music not blaring in your ears) ; no hustle from other dancers; faster waitress service ; more comfortable seating- discount on an dances-- for example if an hour's VIP is $300 and dances are $20 on the floor- that's $100 saved for an hours worth of dances.

    For the guy who wants lots of dances in a row VIP is a better deal. For guys who don't like super loud music it's more comfortable in VIP. For guys who don't want to be hasseled every few minutes it's more comfortable in VIP.
    Quote Originally Posted by Sapphire link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg121054#msg121 054 date=1086994490
    In addition to the reasons Tigerlilly mentioned, a big lure of the vip is more intimacy.
    And for the right customer, I'll buy those explanations. Hell, in the right club with the right conditions of sale, with the right gal, I may very well be that customer. But I think it should be stated that comfy couches, softer music, and faster waitress service don't mean diddly squat to some people. It seems perfectly logical to me that the appeal of VIP to a lot of customers is that their entertainer can get away with stuff in there that she can't do on the main floor. Hell, I think even someone who isn't a mileage hound would buy that theory.

    Maybe it's just the ways that I've been raised as a consumer, but to me there ought to be a reason that a night at a four star hotel costs more than one at a two star hotel, why a double cheeseburger costs more than a single cheeseburger, why a bottle of Johnny Walker Black costs more than a bottle of Johnny Walker Red, etc., because there's some clear difference in either quantity or quality.

    Then Paris gave this explanation which I think bears repeating:

    Quote Originally Posted by ParisLove link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg121101#msg121 101 date=1086999975
    Selling VIP is like selling top shelf liquor. Sure the cheap stuff will get you drunk, too, it just isn't as fun to drink.

    VIP is just that, a status symbol. Toyota makes the best running cars in the world, they are also sold at very affordable prices, but people still buy BMW or mercerdes (neither are know for being long running or even very comfortable, comparatively), sometimes even if they can't afford it. Why? Status.
    And being the person who would buy the Toyota (maybe even two Toyotas in case one breaks down) and pocket the difference in an interest accruing investment somewhere, I think sums up my conumdrum about VIPs. I mean if what you are looking for is available without the extra expenditure, then why make it? If you pay more, you should get more, right?

    Every dime I've even spent at a strip club was for the purpose of enhancing my enjoyment, not for one upping the guy next to me. I absolutely do not understand the value of a "status expenditure", particularly one that you can't exactly show off to those who didn't make it.

    So I'm curious, what does it take to make you spring for the VIP dance over the floor dance? What do you expect to receive in there for the extra money? And in your past experiences did you get your money's worth? I've sprung for it a couple of times, and got mixed results.
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    This is easy.

    I only pay for VIPs when (1) I like the stripper enough to want to spend time with her, feel some kind of genuine-seeming connection with her, and feel I can trust her, (2) I've received some indication (I would never ask) that she might be willing to up the mileage from what's available on the main floor (usually something like repeated mouth kissing during a dance), and (3) the VIP rooms at the club offer a large degree of privacy. (If "(3)" is absent but "(1)" and "(2)" are present, I skip the VIP and go directly to trying to get the stripper to see me outside the club instead (although I generally don't think it's very productive to do that until you've spent a good deal of time together, over several nights, in the club) -- which is my preference in any event.)

    Strippers I've been "friends" with at clubs with heavily-monitored unprivate VIP rooms have often told me that they can't understand why customers buy VIPs from them.

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    And ya know, I wouldn't even call myself a raincoater.

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    Since I'm not there for sex or extras, as it were, VIP rooms have no real value to me--they cost more for the same thing, in my view.

    If you really hit it off with a woman, wouldn't it be a better use of time (your time and her time) and money--not to mention more honest--to try to arrange something outside of the club, whether it be in a professional or personal capacity?

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    Interesting I should see this thread as I just got back from Vegas. I'm with you completely doc, I don't see the purpose unless the mileage is significantly higher in the VIP and I really need to be given strong evidence that this may be the case before even considering it. The thing I found amusing in Vegas is that there would be girls hitting you up for VIP action literally the second you step in the club (I just laughed at them and kept walking). Now if money was no object, sure I would have no problem with it, but that's not the case.

    As far as getting my money's worth, it's been hit and miss for me, I've usually had a good time, but looking back I really don't think it was worth the added expense most of the time.

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    I think, honestly, there should be some sort of "deal" in there. If only strip club managers were smart! I think most guys like to feel like they've been clever in their deductions, not just "ohh, I'm partying like a movie star now!" On stage or on the floor dances could only include X factors, like, oh, girl has to be 'clothed' [at least bikini] but can be topless or nude in the VIP OR that the guy has to sit on his hands on the floor, but in the VIP can touch [at least, ya know, to a reasonable extent, trying to penetrate orfices probably isn't a good idea] so that a VIP room obviously offers more OR should be a better price, if the dances on the floor are $20, and most songs are 3.5 minutes, a half hour VIP rental should be $100, woo, you're saving $71 at my estimate. An hour should be $170 or similar, so it is a /deal/. Of course some sort of blending would probably be best.
    The only benefit at my sister club of the a VIP dance over throwing a couple of dollars on the stage is the privacy and complete attention, ie, not all your buddies are watching - whereas at my club we only do dollar dances because a fully clothed dance from a foot away is boring, no matter how seductive you can be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1524;start=msg23865#msg23865 date=1087163838
    Every dime I've even spent at a strip club was for the purpose of enhancing my enjoyment, not for one upping the guy next to me.
    i couldn't agree more. ultimately, the VIP has no value for the customer unless it offers something he values. obviously, the stripper values the VIP room but, that doesn't mean it's of value to the consumer. the end result for the customer? either the VIP room actually offers something tangible the customer values or he just got upsold a useless product by some stripper. as far as i am concerned, any of the so-called advantages of the VIP room is no different than a tv advertising campaign designed to get consumers to buy a product. it's pretty much up to the consumer to decide it's worth.

    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1524;start=msg23865#msg23865 date=1087163838
    So I'm curious, what does it take to make you spring for the VIP dance over the floor dance?
    mileage...mileage...mileage

    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1524;start=msg23865#msg23865 date=1087163838
    What do you expect to receive in there for the extra money?
    mileage...mileage...mileage. you see, i'm a pretty simple guy to satisfy.

    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1524;start=msg23865#msg23865 date=1087163838
    And in your past experiences did you get your money's worth?
    yes, but if i feel i'm not getting my money's worth. i'm outta there ASAP.
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    What I like about my current club: all of the dances are done in small private rooms, so there is no need to sell VIP because:

    1. Its really no more private than any other rooms other than its at the end of the VIP main room and less people walk by (it is rumored that management walks by the VIP hall less often, but I havn't seen that to be the case). Its hard to "catch" any action walking by the rooms anyway because we do the dancing in a corner, a passer would really have to look inside to see what's happening....

    2. Dancer gets no incentive to sell VIP. At least I don't see any reason....

    Some guys STILL want to go to VIP anyway. They've paid their $500 lifetime membership and want to use it I guess. Every guy who has taken me to VIP so far has whipped out drugs, his johnson, or BOTH!

    At my last club, selling VIP got me off stage rotation, so I would try to sell one a night, and then didn't bother.....

    Its a pain in the ass mostly.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1524;start=msg23865#msg23865 date=1087163838
    But I think it should be stated that comfy couches, softer music, and faster waitress service don't mean diddly squat to some people. It seems perfectly logical to me that the appeal of VIP to a lot of customers is that their entertainer can get away with stuff in there that she can't do on the main floor. Hell, I think even someone who isn't a mileage hound would buy that theory.
    Uhm no one denied that My posts in that thread were to correct this statment
    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=10024;start=msg120927#msg120 927 date=1086971678
    By what other selling point could you convince customers to go?
    because it implied that mileage was the only reason any customer would want a VIP. That just isn't the truth.

    I pointed out the MANY OTHER reasons a customer might prefer a VIP . And despite what several of you SCJ boys would like to believe there are customers out there who like things that you may not and it doesn't make them idiots either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1524;start=msg23865#msg23865 date=1087163838
    Call me nuts, but if a dancer is trying to get you to upgrade to a more expensive dance (or a long session of them), isn't it within reason to inquire what is going to be so great about the upgrade that justifies the higher price tag?
    Doc, you make too much sense Seriously I really can't disagree with anything that you said. A couple of related comments.

    Regarding the analogy of buying an expensive 'status' car vs an economy car... I agree it makes no sense to buy time in the VIP room for status, particularly when you go the SC alone, but I think the top-shelf liquor analogy may have some validity. If you appreciate the thrill of driving a (more expensive) sport/performance car, or the taste of a top-shelf liquor, and you can afford it, I say enjoy it (screw the status, but enjoy taking the drive - just don't enjoy the liquor and driving at the same time ).

    However the problem I have with that analogy is that the VIP sale tends to feel a lot more like a con game than a legit upgrade in quality. No offense to the ladies, you have to sell what management tries to make you sell, but the VIP upgrade often leaves me feeling I'm dealing with some sleezy used car salesman that is trying to pawn off some lemon on any sucker that will be taken in by the armor-all and quick-wax. Sure, the door to the VIP room may have some big glittery neon sign "The Emporer's Room" but yea, I agree, guys should be able to ask what is behind the door before dishing out hundreds to go back there only to find out it is the same as upfront, except you have to pay more for drinks.

    The first time I did the VIP room I was suckered, and learned my lesson. Not only were we seated in close proximity to other customers, they tacked on several fees which the dancer previously failed to mention, and they had some jerks walking around trying to sell pictures and roses. Talk about a first class con job. Oh well, I learned my lesson. For the same reason I won't deal with high pressure sales people, I won't ever make that mistake again.

    The second time I did the VIP room I had already connected with the girl, and she never once suggested we go back there. It was my idea. No pressure sale. This was a case of wanting some top-shelf liquor. The place was packed and I wanted some quiet private space alone. She went back and checked that we'd have a nice comfy dark spot away from other customers, and it was a good experience. Things heated up immensly.

    The third time, same thing. I had already connected and wanted a better experience. She was very passionate (but keeping clothing on of course), and we ended up staying over an hour in the VIP room for the price of half an hour. She didn't want the dance to end, and she didn't ask for more money. I finally called it so that she wouldn't get in trouble.

    That is it. So I will definitely pay for the VIP if:

    1.) The dancer doesn't bring it up because if she does I am going to feel like I am being hustled/conned and won't do it.

    2.) I want a little more privacy/quiet and to space (away from other customers), and I have already made some connection with the dancer out on the main floor. It is not about status, it is like the top-shelf liquor analogy, it is a better experience and worth a little extra.

    3.) The dancer/management divulges the full cost upfront, and once we are in there leaves us alone. I don't want to be bothered asking if I want to buy roses, pictures, over priced champagnee, etc.. I want privacy and to be left alone with the dancer.



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    Quote Originally Posted by doc-catfish link=board=9;threadid=1524;start=msg23865#msg23865 date=1087163838
    So I'm curious, what does it take to make you spring for the VIP dance over the floor dance? What do you expect to receive in there for the extra money? And in your past experiences did you get your money's worth? I've sprung for it a couple of times, and got mixed results.
    Well, It used to take a simply brush of the mammaries against my arm. Now it actually takes time spent convincing me that my money wil lbe well spent in there. I have always enjoyed the VIP and received much higher mileage than I have ever received on the floor. Over the months the mileage increased with each visit. However, as of late I am finding higher mileage can also be achieved on the floor too if you're sitting in the right spot. Therefore, the VIP is the last thing on my mind when I hit the club. As a matter of fact it's Monday. I called and left a message on her phone an hour ago to let her know I was thinking about coming in. A return call means she wants some benjis. I'm omw back to work for a few hours We'll see. A TR might be forthcoming.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Darren link=board=9;threadid=1524;start=msg23942#msg23942 date=1087243474
    However the problem I have with that analogy is that the VIP sale tends to feel a lot more like a con game than a legit upgrade in quality. No offense to the ladies, you have to sell what management tries to make you sell, but the VIP upgrade often leaves me feeling I'm dealing with some sleezy used car salesman that is trying to pawn off some lemon on any sucker that will be taken in by the armor-all and quick-wax. Sure, the door to the VIP room may have some big glittery neon sign "The Emporer's Room" but yea, I agree, guys should be able to ask what is behind the door before dishing out hundreds to go back there only to find out it is the same as upfront, except you have to pay more for drinks.

    The first time I did the VIP room I was suckered, and learned my lesson. Not only were we seated in close proximity to other customers, they tacked on several fees which the dancer previously failed to mention, and they had some jerks walking around trying to sell pictures and roses. Talk about a first class con job. Oh well, I learned my lesson. For the same reason I won't deal with high pressure sales people, I won't ever make that mistake again.
    well....i hate to brake the bad news to you, but that's not unusual in sex industry. in general, most customers are content to settle for whatever type of poor service comes their way and they won't make a stink about it. it's almost as if they feel as though they deserve to get ripped-off. as a consumer, you really have to be more discerning when dealing with strippers and sc. that's why i tell guys who go to sc to know exactly what they want and settle for nothing less. if a stripper or sc can't do the job, leave and find another sc. when a customer settles, he usually gets the bad end of the deal.
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    Did anyone see the classic movie UHF? Where the woman plays "Wheel of Fish" and wins a red snapper (verrrrry tasty!) but opts instead for "what's in the box!?" Then it turns out to be "Absorutery...NOTHING!"

    Anyway, that's the same reason I've never done a VIP. If it were worth the money, then telling me what goes on there would help make the sale. If it's not worth the money, then avoiding "details" is the best bet to get a sale. Sure, there are other possibilities, but I think that's the most likely...especially coming from a dancer I've gotten several dances with already that bend/break the club rules. I think. Finding out the club rules is also difficult. So until I find out that a VIP is more than "what's in the box," I'm not buying.

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    To me, talking beforehand about what a girl will and won't do just sort of spoils things. And if she's operating from a set menu, it's gonna end being more impersonal than I like anyway. So I never ask what would be available in a VIP. Instead, I only VIP with women I know very well or women I get a strong vibe from.

    That's why I keep insisting I'm a sucker, not a raincoater.

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    You guys are missing a basic tenet of Strip Clubbing:

    Never, ever buy a blind lap.

    Now, this used to mean never get any type of dance unless you've seen that dancer in action. With the various cubbyholes and semi-private areas that now permeate clubs, this rule has become less viable, but still holds true in the sense of test driving your dancers.

    New dancers always get topless lap(s) from me first, preferably during some type of special. Based on her performance in the topless genre, this will determine if I try nudes with her. If there is an upgrade in the nude laps, then and only then will I consider going VIP with the dancer. If the VIPs are upgraded even more (highly likely, as you've already established both performance levels and comfort zones), then you can determine whether or not to continue with her for VIPs or dial it back, depending upon your budget, time or other requirements during future visits.

    It's also a real good idea to track down local SC sites and Yahoo clubs for your area. Once you cut through the chaff, the kernels of info left for you will make your visit a successful one.

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    PS, I never, ever ask any dancer what she'll do or "if she's worth a try." Do you really think a dancer will tell you, a complete stranger, that she'll give you a handjob (or more) and let you suck on her tits if you go VIP? C'mon guys, get real. (And spend some money, for crissakes!)


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    I am not an extras man myself but I still prefer to spend time in VIP with my dancer of choice. I agree with Tigerlily's comments about more comfortable surroundings and better service from waitstaff. Another bonus is other dancers and staff notice if you are buying VIP's on a fairly regular basis and they do treat you better than if you are just an average customer.

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    Personally, I like the VIP section of a club, not for the extras (which are nice at times) but for the seclusion the VIP section offers.

    See, naturally I'm kind of a private person, and that much stuff going on in the public area sort of unnerves me, and I can't truly enjoy myself.

    However, if a dancer is consistently bugging me about going VIP, or asks me if I wanna go VIP ten minutes after I get to the club, then I will definitely refuse, unless she's a favorite.

    Never been much for getting hustled...

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