Adina that looks like fun..
Fornication without complications Life is good.
FBR
Adina that looks like fun..
Fornication without complications Life is good.
FBR
Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.



Yes, maybe if we all accrue some good karma we'll be lucky enough to be reborn as bonobo chimps at the San Diego Zoo![]()





i think she's referring to your post, Darren. whew! i thought the rest of the post was directed at me. luckily, it isn't. although, she's not so bad once you get to know her. i must warn you, Darren. much like my ex-wife, every once in a while. adina feels the need to use your scrotum like a boxer uses a speed bag. however, once you get past that gruff exterior. you'll find that deep down inside she really has all the charm of a barracuda. you just have to talk to her in a soothing manner to calm her murderous rage. here, i'll show you how it done.Originally Posted by Adina link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25460#msg25460 date=1091126611
Adina, you gorgeous nag! i've had a bellyful of your bitching! what are you blathering on about now? Al Qaeda cells? i thought the prevailing wisdom was that we destroyed Al Qaeda with "shock and awe" and brought freedom and democracy to the Afghan people or was that Iraq? it's so confusing at times. i need a score card to catch up. no thanks, i think i'll leave the international intrigue and foreign policy decision making process to you. since, you seem to express such an interest in the subject. in any case, using machiavellian principles on a stripper is a bit overkill don't you think? what would be the point? that would be akin to using a nuclear reactor to light up a flashlight. a tiproll works just fine.Originally Posted by Adina link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25461#msg25461 date=1091126854
see darren. that's how it done. i bet she's creaming in her panties right now.
nah, i prefer neddlepoint. my creative efforts turn out so much prettier.Originally Posted by Adina link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25461#msg25461 date=1091126854
so, does this mean i can't be your BOB? you're such a cockteasing bitch.Originally Posted by Adina link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25470#msg25470 date=1091147851
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Is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain than a man? The government scientist Dr. Yamuka has proved it is size of squirrel. - Borat
Alan Marciano: Oh, man...(to himself) Why did I get mixed up with that bitch?
Lt. Vincent Hanna: Cause she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it! - from the movie "Heat".





no, it isn't Darren. i think you're moralizing. if adina was a cop would you advise her not to continue her line of work because it was too risky? if she was a soldier would you tell her to go AWOL because she might get sent to Iraq? i don't think adina was trying to give you the impression that she felt escorting was too risky. i think she's well aware of the risks. i she only wanted to point out that the burden of risk escorts shoulder, as far as being fair game for violence, is greater that of her clients. in fact, that's probably holds true in one form or another for all sex workers that come in contact with customers. risk is relative. obviously, they feel that the risk is worth the reward. people make that decision everyday in a number of different circumstances. on a side note, brothels are not the panacea that everyone makes them out to be. there are some benefits (among other things) to flying under the radar and not handing over 50% of your money over to a legalized pimp.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25472#msg25472 date=1091148731
i couldn't agree more.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25475#msg25475 date=1091149462
Is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain than a man? The government scientist Dr. Yamuka has proved it is size of squirrel. - Borat
Alan Marciano: Oh, man...(to himself) Why did I get mixed up with that bitch?
Lt. Vincent Hanna: Cause she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it! - from the movie "Heat".
*high-five to Adina*
"Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M



Point taken. I didn't mean it to come across as moralizing but I can see how you could read it that way.Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25486#msg25486 date=1091164940
And no I wouldn't advise her to change careers just because her job has risks. Still, as adina (and you) pointed out, sex work attracts a certain type/minority of dangerous people. If adina was a cop she wouldn't be sent into a room alone with a possible nut case, not without a deadly weapon and/or some backup. Doesn't mean she is risk free, but she would at least have a good chance of surviving that type of encounter. Unlike TV cops, real cops do make it their job to try and mitigate risks and avoid putting themselves in obviously high risk situations. While there are always unknowns, they do spend a lot of their time training and working on policies to minimize known risks. I suspect the stereotypical escort has no real plan, but puts themselves in high risk situations naively hoping that "it" won't happen to them. A big difference between a job that spends a lot of time training people how to mitigate risk, and a job in which there is no training and people just go into it crossing their fingers, with no real plan, just hoping they won't be the next victiim.





sure, it a risk, but like i said, risk is relative.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25495#msg25495 date=1091197931
or perhaps not. a gun is only useful if you can actually put it to use. cops get killed in the line of duty every year. still, many people choose careers in LE despite the risks. in the end, there are no guarantees.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25495#msg25495 date=1091197931
and you think escorts don't try to minimize their own risks?Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25495#msg25495 date=1091197931
i guess not. it sounds like you've been watching too many episodes of the tv show "Cops". however, like you pointed out. there is a difference between a calculated risk and a foolish risk. unfortunately, you seem to think that escorts only take foolish risks. BTW, adina did point out a few of the measures that an escort can take to minimize her risk.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25495#msg25495 date=1091197931
Is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain than a man? The government scientist Dr. Yamuka has proved it is size of squirrel. - Borat
Alan Marciano: Oh, man...(to himself) Why did I get mixed up with that bitch?
Lt. Vincent Hanna: Cause she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it! - from the movie "Heat".



Well let's not take it out of context.Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25497#msg25497 date=1091203302
In context of my original message adina expressed concerned that I had under valued the amount of risk that escorts experience, not just because of frequency but because the escort business attracts some weirdos. Paraphrased, she could show me a thousand providers that are victims for every one customer that is a victim. Whether it is 1000:1, 50:1, whatever, doesn't matter, her overriding point seems to be that many escorts are being harmed in the business. I just follow the logical trail here... and if she is correct, if many escorts are being harmed, and if they understand that the business attacts weirdos, it is just logic that there is some risk taking going on (eg., put themselves in positions of being alone with could-be weirdos, without backup). What percentage take excessive risks? Most? Few? Some? I really don't care because I doubt there are any good facts available because most of it is illegal activity and a lot of it goes unreported.
But let's remember, prostitution is illegal in most of the country. There are lots of reasons not do become a prostitute, it is not a legal job in most of the U.S. Danger of violence is just one more reason to think again before choosing to be a provider.. I think prostitution should be legalized, but I am in favor of requiring brothels, protection for the providers, required safe sex practices, regular testing, etc. I would still have the same position regarding servicing a potential weirdo in an unsafe environment with no backup. That just verges on being stupid.



They are both equally completely fucked up.
A fat chick is like a big, warm, comfortable pillow that you can also have sex with....




Woot! Nice Adina. I think the correct answer is pretty plainly apparent.Originally Posted by Adina link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25460#msg25460 date=1091126611
What I think is really uncanny is how two-faced some of these misogynist prick tricks are. They are all sweet and nice for the visit, then get home and get all 'locker room' and sling bullshit on the forums to pump their own ego. I think this inherent nature truly proves where the denial lies.
It doesn't matter if you're somebody in this world, it rather matters you mean the whole world to somebody.





Yea, it's definitely apparently the customers that are more "fucked up". Who would want to pay for sex with someone they hate, act all nice during the ride, then go into the locker room and sling bullshit, as pc says? Now THAT's fucked up.... Can we say mysoginist liar? All we are doing is providing a service.... if any of us are "fucked up", it's because we've been around hateful men too long.
And me, I'm one of the more well-adjusted people around here, thank you very much. Damn, these forums make me feel like a god damn counsellor I'm so well-adjusted.





no, i'm not trying to do that at all.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25502#msg25502 date=1091210654
who says they don't have back-up? when i see an escort make a call on her cell phone 5 or 10 min after meeting me. i know she's not calling for take-out. besides that, i'm not disputing your overall point.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25502#msg25502 date=1091210654
no, you don't have to give me a specific number. it's really not neccessary, but like i said, risk is relative. if you're averse to risk then you'll take steps to minimize them as much as possible. if you are risk tolerent then you'll probably be more willing to tolerate a higher degree of exposure. people make this type of informal risk/benefit anaylysis all the time whether there are investing money, buying a home, deciding to get married to a particular person, etc. mind you, i didn't say they were always good at it or that their decisions always turn out for the best. however, while you (and neither do i) may not care about what percentage of escorts take excessive risks. at the same time, you unintentionally present a skewed picture of the landscape.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25502#msg25502 date=1091210654
for example, earlier, you stated:
well, since you never defined a "stereotypical escort" and if i'm reading your meaning correctly then your suspicion would be probably be correct. however, it seems you're considering them as one monolithic group. in reality, there are many different kinds of prostitutes occupying different rungs of the economic ladder and their some of their risks (which you stated earlier) are not equal in terms of probability of exposure to that risk. it can be higher or lower depending on where she falls on the economic ladder. mind you, i'm not saying that the risk is completely negated just minimized or increased. in fact, even in a legalized area. while, the risk may be minimized, it's still present. do you really think, "yes honey, i went to a whorehouse, but don't worry it's legal" is going to be a very effective explanation?Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25495#msg25495 date=1091197931
and so is cheating on your taxes, but this isn't a legal discussion is it? it's fine by me but, i thought we were talking about risk not morality. in any case, we all know how people are so law abiding around tax timeOriginally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25502#msg25502 date=1091210654
. the IRS isn't unaware of the fact that a certain percentage of the population will cheat on their taxes. yet, people will cheat on their taxes despite the fact that doing so, may result in stiff fines and penalities, not to mention the possibility of jail time. why?
oh sure, congress will do that right after legalizing coke and smackOriginally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25502#msg25502 date=1091210654
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. seriously, for that to happen it would take a shift in societal mores (which change on their own accord) and political intestinal fortituide. i wouldn't hold my breath waiting for it to happen anytime soon.
is it really "stupid" or is it just a matter of perception and how risk averse/tolerent you are in a given situation? let's say, you have two indiviuals who are looking to invest their money. person A chooses a low-risk (relatively speaking, since an investment always carries risk) investment vehicle with low, but steady ROI. OTOH, person B chooses a high risk investment vehicle with eye-popping ROI. 12 months later, person B is planing to buy that speedboat he's had his eye on for the last year or so. person A is did okay, but certainly not well enough to even consider the idea of buying a speedboat. so, who's "stupid" now? or let's say, person B takes a bath on his investment and person A still comes out with the same result. so, who's "stupid" now? or they both take a bath on their investment. so, who's "stupid" now? like i said, there are no guarantees.Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25502#msg25502 date=1091210654
Is it not a problem that the woman have a smaller brain than a man? The government scientist Dr. Yamuka has proved it is size of squirrel. - Borat
Alan Marciano: Oh, man...(to himself) Why did I get mixed up with that bitch?
Lt. Vincent Hanna: Cause she's got a great ass and you got your head all the way up it! - from the movie "Heat".



Oh yea, dancers never go in the backroom and sling bullshit about what loser/fuckers/PL men are. That doesn't even happen on the boards (sarcasm intended).Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25570#msg25570 date=1091316435
Your complaining about mysoginist with as much as time as you spend harping on how pissed off at men you are? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25570#msg25570 date=1091316435
Who is telling you that? The guys who want to get into your pants? Bad news, they are lying to you. They will tell you anything you want to hear if it will increase their odds. But then I am not trying to get in your pants, so...Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25570#msg25570 date=1091316435
The only chance you really have at some happiness is some truth. Stop telling yourself that BS and get some help with your problems. Lying to yourself about well adjusted you are while raging at how fucked up we all are is just a way to avoid having to see your own flaws.



Risk adversion is an interesting way to look at. Yes, there are no guarantees, but most of the successful people I know balance their risks, and avoid extreme high risks, so I have adopted the same strategy when it comes to investing money, gambling, insurance, etc. Taking great risk is fine if you are really ready to take a "bath" in the event the gamble goes bad. Really any idiot can walk up to a roulette table and bet it all on one spin of the wheel. And of course once in a while the gamble pays off, but is it smart? Of course I couldn't care less if someone wins or loses as long as they take responsibility for choosing as they did.Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25623#msg25623 date=1091470074
But still, I do feel sympathy for the naive people that really don't get grasp the risks involved in the gambles they take. They really aren't prepared for the gamble to go bad. You at least have to wonder if so many providers are being harmed (as claimed) how many of them really understand the degree of risk they are taking.
You know I once read a book on the lottery, and the odds of winning expressed in various ways that we might be able to relate too. A key point of the book was that very people really understand how bad the odds are. People really believe their chances of winning go in are pretty good. Where I am going with this?
I have to wonder how many providers that find themselves harmed really understood how much risk they were taking.





ML, where the hell have you been hiding? Welcome back, and I agree they are both equally completely fucked up.Originally Posted by merely lurking link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25504#msg25504 date=1091219755





I think it's funny as all hell that Darren's got his panties in a wad. LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!Originally Posted by Darren link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25626#msg25626 date=1091474805
er:
i also think it's funny as hell that Darren is trying to tell me how fucked up I am and what I need to do with my life, as if he knows better than me. Wake up, child. You can't even comprehend a post correctly. I think the years you spent talking to criminals may have done a little damage there, bro.
btw. you're a liar.![]()





Then why in the fuck would you spend one measley assed dollar on someone who is so fucked up? Doesn't make sense.Originally Posted by Richard_Head link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25655#msg25655 date=1091506897



Having worked at both strip clubs and "real" jobs, I'd have to say that there are probably no more "fucked up" girls working in the sex industry than any other. I think it's just a matter of how obvious they make it. Because stripping an escorting are such non-traditional and informal occupations, I think it's probably easier to see if the girls are "fucked up" because most of them tend to be more open with their drama.
As for whether strippers or escorts are more fucked up.......who knows? But I'm guessing the percentages are pretty equal for both professions.



Hey, congrads. You never have to look at yourself again. You've got that great shield that says "YOU ARE A LIAR" on it to hide behind.Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25661#msg25661 date=1091520191



If you have to ask... You really can't understand what everyone else here understands? Or is this just a rhetorical question?Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25662#msg25662 date=1091520919
Wow, Punkster, you sound just like my mercenary Finance professor from grad school. You would have loved her!!! She overheard me talking about being a bellydancer to a fellow student, then announced to the entire class that I was a stripper at the club about 50 yds from school, and that the class was going to have a field trip to my work soon to see how REAL capitalists do it.....kinda embarrassing to say the leastjust a matter of perception and how risk averse/tolerent you are in a given situation? let's say, you have two indiviuals who are looking to invest their money. person A chooses a low-risk (relatively speaking, since an investment always carries risk) investment vehicle with low, but steady ROI. OTOH, person B chooses a high risk investment vehicle with eye-popping ROI. 12 months later, person B is planing to buy that speedboat he's had his eye on for the last year or so. person A is did okay, but certainly not well enough to even consider the idea of buying a speedboat. so, who's "stupid" now? or let's say, person B takes a bath on his investment and person A still comes out with the same result. so, who's "stupid" now? or they both take a bath on their investment. so, who's "stupid" now? like i said, there are no guarantees.![]()
"Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M





I guess I should have added that most customers are pretty fucked up too.Originally Posted by erotictonic link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25662#msg25662 date=1091520919



Well, if a stripper was familiar with Machiavelli, she'd pretend not to be if she had one iota of business savvy - nothing sends a spending customer packing like signs of brain wave activity. And I suspect that if you met a woman inside or outside a stripclub who let it slip that she knew 'The Prince.' you'd be too intimidated to continue the conversation. But you can still be my bend-over boyfriend. My strap-on; your place.Originally Posted by mr_punk link=board=1;threadid=1608;start=msg25480#msg25480 date=1091153784
LMAO
My prediction....
The MrP - Adina video will be a bestseller ~..handing MrP a tube of Astrolube..~
Is that a smile of enjoyment on your face MrP or are you just passing gas? LOL
FBR
Once again I have embraced my addiction and have put off the moral dilemma to another day.
I wouldn't be so kind as to offer him lubricant of any sort A.....take it like a jailbitch Punk!!!!
Arrrghhhh!!!!
"Have you ever been to American wedding? Where is the vodka, where's marinated herring?" - GB
"And do the cats give a shit? No, they do not. Why? Because they're cats."-from The Onion
Originally Posted by Mia M
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